Why can’t Harry just pay for his own private security?

<Bangs head>

That birth has directly led to truly staggering levels of wealth and privilege, though, none of it actually earned. Unlike the majority - even amongst celebrities - he can afford his own security, despite not one penny being earned from any genuine talent, skill or expertise.

Nothing against him. But I don't get the argument that he was just born into this, because yes, he was: risk, yes, but all that money handed out for effectively zilch, too.

Which he will get…

From what I understood, this was exactly Harry's argument as to why private security isn't good enough. British intelligence obviously won't share sensitive information, which is why he's so adamant it has to be police protection.

You gotta wonder tho
Why's security so expensive
You can go to some countries and get an amazing security detail for reasonable prices
Here 12 million!
Like what on earth
Do they have a guarantee you won't die or something 😂

So even ex prime ministers get full time secruity for life on less than two months public service?

I can’t think of any prime minister who has not given years of public service as an MP. Our shortest serving PM was an MP for 14 years including many years as a minister for various departments. And like all PMs she would have been privy to state secrets that we would not want falling into the wrong hands should she be kidnapped and tortured.

Seventell
Harry said that charles is not speaking to him at all now.

How can King Charles possibly talk to his younger son at present? Anything he says may be taken out of context by Harry and misrepresented in an interview with just about anyone. Or indeed anything that KC has not actually said but Harry thinks he might have said, or might have meant to say, or might have thought very loudly....

And im sure charles can of course influence any security decision

If he could he would be different from his mother Queen Elizabeth II, who was unable to influence the decision made by the security service (Home Office) that if Prince Harry was no longer a working member of the Royal Family he was no longer entitled to armed security as a working member of the Royal Family. She tried; she failed.

He is not unique, There are other children of monarchs who don’t get specific protection unless working as royals. He doesn’t need a job in Lidl as being the King’s son brings with it immense privilege and wealth. And then there is the huge sums he has been paid for being a glorified tabloid reporter selling his family’s privacy.

He AND his wife and children WILL get security in the UK appropriate to the threat level - so long as he gives 28 days notice so it can be put in place.

completely agree with these posts

No but he has certainly developed an entitlement above the norm

Love a historical derail!

Either lying or is deluded enough to actually believe there is a vendetta against him by his father.

Harry didn't ask to be born Royal did he. Celebritities generally have a choice.

Yes that’s what I meant, any direct descendants (and they could easily exist, he was hardly a model of fidelity) are nothing to do with the current RF.

Apologies, bit of a historical derail I know!

Mary Boleyn (Anne Boleyn’s sister) had a daughter who was rumoured to be fathered by Henry (part of the plot of The Other Boleyn Girl actually but believed to true although there’s no solid proof I don’t think). Anyway she is a direct descendant of the Queen and therefore Charles and Harry.

For me what really came over was H not liking members of the Royal Household sitting on RAVEC and being part of the process.

He appears to really resent that he has to inform contact(s) in the Royal Household to request and discuss his security requirements and can’t talk to other members of RAVEC directly. That is about process not the level of security.

I suspect he doesn’t want KC, PW or their staff being notified of his plans so by not having a direct link to RAVEC he is obliged to let the Royal Household know.

Nobody on mn can possibly tell anyone about the top secret security details of royals , politicians and diplomats, because obviously it’s …. Top secret!! 🙄

That’s not true entirely - the circumstances are v outing but I know of someone with personal armed bodyguards, they have an agreement with the local police force etc who have authorised them to carry the weapons legitimately.

Unless it's through one of the other lines maybe! Afaik there's no known descendants of Henry Fitzroi, the only one he acknowledged, but there could've been any number of others. Especially if they'd been girls.

Agree Harry has a clear family resemblance with his dad's side. Him and 30s Phillip are absolute twins.

Anyway Harry fans on here can argue against the facts until they are blue in the face it won’t make a jot of difference, it has been made abundantly clear in the British courts that his case has been dismissed, Harry will have to go away, lick his wounds and accept the fact he just isn’t as important as he thinks he is and that his current security arrangements are valid.

You said you don’t know what Harry’s security arrangements are, but you’ve also told me what Harry’s security arrangements are.

Eh? I said I don't know the specifics for each hypothetical future case because that would be impossible. But I do know the general arrangements, because they have been public knowledge for some time.

what has been publicised about Harry’s security arrangements amount to nothing. “Decided on a case by case basis”

Isn't that enough? That's what Tier 2 individuals get. What more would you expect the general public to know?

the question about disagreeing with judges is yours- trying to make it personal - and bears no relation to anything I have said in this thread. So I won’t be forced into answering

Asking a relevant question as part of a discussion is not 'making it personal' but suit yourself.

Yes I thought that was very sweet as well.

www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2017122745031/prince-harry-prince-of-wales-prince-charles/

Yes, he doesn’t have any direct descendants. Or rather, if he does they are from illegitimate children and nothing to do with Harry.

Henry VIII’s sister maybe, through her marriage to James IV of Scotland. But that line goes to Diana’s family anyway I think, as well as the royal family. So I’m not sure similarity to a portrait of Henry VIII proves much.

Although I do think obviously Harry is Charles’s son. I think he looks like Zara - I saw a picture of her once in a woolly hat and pulled up scarf and it was just like Harry.

I thought it was sweet the way Charles kept calling him "Darling Boy" and leaving him notes saying he loved him and was proud of him. Some really nice moments. Bit of a weird book otherwise.

You said you don’t know what Harry’s security arrangements are, but you’ve also told me what Harry’s security arrangements are.

what has been publicised about Harry’s security arrangements amount to nothing. “Decided on a case by case basis”

the question about disagreeing with judges is yours- trying to make it personal - and bears no relation to anything I have said in this thread. So I won’t be forced into answering