Why can’t Harry just pay for his own private security?

He is obviously safe, so security is perfectly good.

Which is why he, his wife and his children will receive appropriate intelligence- informed police protection whenever he comes here.

Why did Taylor Swift get police protection?

Are American secret service agents allowed to carry arms when president etc visit?

I would ask people, when our country is struggling with lack of funds to the point the government is stripping funds from pensioners and those with disabilities, why they think a multimillionaire prince who quit his job and moved to the USA deserves the extra funding from already struggling taxpayers?
do you consider him more deserving?
because what he really wants is 24/7 armed security with outriders , everywhere he goes including in other countries ( the clue is the fact he boldly claimed Charles had told other countries not to provide security!)
this will cost a very large amount of money that has to come from somewhere!
yep we would have to pay , if you think this won’t affect you then you are wrong.

They'll be made on a case by case basis, ie they might not always be provided with any security. I'm not defending him, I don't believe royals are any more important than anyone else.

Harry is 40 years old, lives in the USA and has considerable personal wealth if his own - not least the tens of millions made from selling, amongst others, very personal private details about his father and attacking his wife. Harry is capable of paying for his own security in America and will receive security whenever he comes to the UK at the tax payers expense - so long as he gives reasonable notice.

I don't think a single individual really counts as a "class"; he is a single individual.

To put what I wrote another way, for the hard of thinking, Harry wants to have won the marathon in the same time as his elder brother even though he has not bothered to run in it for the past five years, and be deemed to have crossed the finishing line ahead of the rest of his family who have been slogging along in that race while he was off somewhere else publishing probably untrue and certainly unpleasant accusations against them.

What I find interesting about the Catherine Carey theory being the daughter of Henry and Mary Boleyn is that she was related to Elizabeth through her mother’s side, which means IF Catherine was Henry’s daughter, Elizabeth II was the first direct descendant of Henry VIII since Elizabeth I and that only came about because of her uncle abdicating. It fascinates me to an embarrassing degree 🤣

I was about to say, this is one of the funnier wrong thread posts I've seen on here!

So funny to imagine King Charles sending Archie and Lillibet vouchers for Go Ape.

I think it's less to do with the cost and more to do with intelligence...the UK intelligence services won't be sharing information with his private security firm and he can't just pay for UK police protection which would have information from intelligence services, who would know what type of threat to look out for. Regardless of how you feel about him and his history, everyone deserves to feel safe in their home country.

Is this the same Ha try who bragged about his war kills?
wasn’t worried about increasing the threat then was he?
Think he wants it sorted and cast iron now, because eventually he will be dependant on William’s good will. Good luck with that.
He moans about other people in public life get life long protection, presumably these are people necessary not the state. An extended royal family is a luxury not a need.

The simple fact is 70k is absolutely not what it used to be. You will be getting nothing extra on that income (other than child benefit) and the cost of living has gone through the roof. Add in renovating at an incredibly expensive time and your mortgage going up and its totally understandable you have very little left.

Although I totally sympathise with you, you can tell yourself that you’ll be bringing the kids up with a love of the outdoors/walks/picnics and those are absolutely our favourite family activities.

We are about 10k above you but DH’s job has the option to work extra shifts and there’s a bonus. Without that, holidays would be really difficult. I haven’t read all the replies but are there any options for overtime/anything either of you to earn extra at any point in the year?

Look for any deals you can with indoor type activities -
Amazon prime does cheap cinema tickets in the week (good in school holidays)
Tesco clubcard is amazing for days out/meals
National Trust gives away free passes
Cereal boxes for theme park tickets
Local leisure centre often has cheap sports/swimming activities. We have a huge pool inflatable near us which is a few pounds and the kids have a brilliant time.

If you have grandparents in your life (again sorry haven’t read replies), if they ask about Easter/Xmas pressies, ask for vouchers for family days out. We’ve all got enough ‘stuff’ so something like theatre tickets etc that you can all look forward to.

It will get easier and you also never know other people’s financial situation when it seems everyone has loads of money.

Harry wants IPP status - which requires other governments to provide security when he is in their country. Obviously IPP status imposes considerable expense on other countries so it is very limited who gets this status. The fifth in line to the head of state is nowhere near that status. It would create considerable diplomatic difficulties, and expense to the UK, if states started demanding those so far removed from a head of state get IPP status.

I'm pleased he moved to the USA with his wife and family and is happy. I should also like it if they stayed there forever and he kept his mouth shut. In any family, who would want to pass the time of day with someone so keen to blab everything that transpires, puts whatever spin on it they choose and is heavily reimbursed for doing so. He is his own worst enemy.

And yet he wants to build bridges with his dad? WTF he doesn’t know whether he is coming or going!

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So how do you know the security arrangements are sufficient/ don’t have anything “wrong” with them?

That one is easy! There is nothing wrong with them, they are working, and we know this because nobody has yet wrung Harry's blasted neck.

I don't think this is about "armed police being for hire" but about contributing to the cost and having access to intelligence.

As an example, let's think about football matches. Clubs normally pay for officers inside the stadium, but we taxpayers fund all the policing on the streets. Through the years there has been pressure for clubs to contribute towards the "outside the stadium" costs. Premier League clubs can more than afford it. Armed officers have been used around football matches during high terrorist threat periods. Personally I think it's not great that taxpayers money is being spent on controlling football thugs but there you go.

It seems to me that he's worried that as when the scenario occurs that he actually asks for this security to be provided, it won't be what he considers to be adequate (isn't that what he was going on about, saying that he'd been downgraded to lowest risk?)

I'm sure he could force the issue by actually making a plan to come to the UK with his family, and then seeing what level of security is deemed sufficient. If he's not happy with it, then he could change his mind at that point. It feels like that would have been quicker, easier and cheaper than a court case. But maybe I've missed something.....?

Fwiw I think he's so paranoid, that he's never going to consider the security to be sufficient without being told the exact intelligence held at that moment. So I can't see how he'd ever be content with any arrangement, even the one he's been pushing for 🤷‍♀️

Football clubs don’t pay for security from the police; they contribute to the cost of policing the event. They have no say over how the police choose to police the event.

It does beg the question that if at the end of the day, Harry feels insafe and it’s causing division and with astronomical wealth - why doesn’t Charles pay up,

surely it can be empathised with that he’s on edge after the way he lost his Mum so suddenly and unexpectedly.

it’s different for us to think about these threats - they’re living them.

it seems to me that if Charles loved his son, he’d find a spare few meals and Devise a plan.

☝This. Harry always has to succour support as the victim in any scenario. He plays to the less discerning and / or informed public. His whole life is a drama.

He gets taxpayer funded security assessed individually for each visit to the UK but he is required to give 28 days notice.

It is reported that he did offer to pay for his own security team but requires they be armed. That doesn't work in the UK.

people don’t realise national security is basically a broad term to do whatever they want. They can defend the UK in ways that are ambiguous and it really wouldn’t surprise me that as Harry’s media behaviour is a threat to the monarchy, he’s a threat to the country and treated as persons non gratis.

think he wanted to come back the Uk for longer stretches.

It’s not that he’s wanted dead - it’s that they simply don’t care - his presence is detrimental to the monarchy. Maybe that is seen as a threat ?

Lets face it Harry is more well known than all others besides Charles, Kate & William and he and Meghan get the same if not more media attention. The daily mail tab headings on their website say it all really.

I don’t think anyone needs data to know Harry would look be a target. He’s not a celebrity - he was born into this.

Yes, to repeat a poster, he gets proper UK security.

Harry said that charles is not speaking to him at all now.

The King could not risk speaking to him in case Harry brought whatever he said up in court. As king he has to be very considerate of his constitutional role.

Plus, of course, Harry would sell it,