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To be surprised that I see Harry’s point about the security

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Figmentofmyimagination · 03/05/2025 12:31

Not usually a royal watcher but I watched this as it was on the bbc and I was surprised to feel sympathetic towards his main argument. It’s somewhat crazy that even Liz Truss gets life long security at the expense of the taxpayer, and he was born into this position rather than choosing it, and private security is no substitute if they don’t have arms or access to intelligence. He’s also right that the wider fallout if eg one of his children were to be kidnapped would be something to be seen.

Surely there must be a deal to be struck where he gets high level security provided by the state but contributes to the cost through the tax system. I’m not surprised he’s upset about it and although he was never going to win his case because of the nature of the particular decision making regime, he has put the issue in the public eye in a more effective way than he usually achieves!

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myrtleWilson · 04/05/2025 10:34

@LipglossAlly you're right that Harry has not had a RMB assessment since 2019 - thats because he has a bespoke assessment outside of the cycle of RMB. It is an alternative approach for his specific circumstances not an inferior approach.

MsDDxx · 04/05/2025 10:24

Whammyyammy · 03/05/2025 12:35

Is this you Meghan?

This sort of response is really not funny anymore - it’s a bit dated, predictable and well, boring.

Munnygirl · 04/05/2025 10:20

LipglossAlly · 04/05/2025 10:11

One thing that struck me as particularly cruel is when Harry said that regular members of the public whose lives are threatened can even get tax-funded security if the risk is high enough. But he is not even allowed to be treated as a regular citizen. So he’s not a working royal but also not treated as a citizen so he’s in this liminal space. He has not been given a risk assessment since 2019 bc the royal household members sitting on RAVEC, the ones meant to be representing the royals, are advising against it. Harry’s appealing to the govt. to step in but I’m betting they won’t. They should all be ashamed. Every single person.

You should have realised by now that what comes out of Harry’s mouth has no resemblance to the actual truth.

LipglossAlly · 04/05/2025 10:11

One thing that struck me as particularly cruel is when Harry said that regular members of the public whose lives are threatened can even get tax-funded security if the risk is high enough. But he is not even allowed to be treated as a regular citizen. So he’s not a working royal but also not treated as a citizen so he’s in this liminal space. He has not been given a risk assessment since 2019 bc the royal household members sitting on RAVEC, the ones meant to be representing the royals, are advising against it. Harry’s appealing to the govt. to step in but I’m betting they won’t. They should all be ashamed. Every single person.

flapjackfairy · 04/05/2025 10:10

Mirabella7 · 04/05/2025 09:55

It’s not so much about who pays for security as Harry not being safe with unarmed security and without the intelligence that only the police have access to. Harry also has to be formally invited to visit the UK, he can’t just give notice of it. With the state of his relationship with The King that’s not likely to happen.
Harry needs to build bridges with his father long distance first and The King understandably won’t communicate.
Such a mess and every time he speaks he seems to make it worse.

not true. He has to give notice and a risk assessment is done that looks at the current risk and then provides appropriate security which may well be armed. Same for his wife and kids and no.he doesn't need an invite.
If people would only look at the facts it might help instead of spouting nonsense.

Munnygirl · 04/05/2025 10:10

flapjackfairy · 04/05/2025 10:05

Charles didn't strip his security. RAVEC make decisions on security. .And did Andrew leave the country ? No .
If he had chosen to live abroad he would've been in the same boat.
Harry spat the dummy and then realised he wouldn't get state funded security in America. Why should he ? He wants to live a non royal life so he has to accept he doesn't get the royal privileges either.

This 💯

Munnygirl · 04/05/2025 10:08

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 10:02

@Munnygirl
My issue is that Andrew was protected by Charles and the queen . The vast majority of the uk population have an issue with that . If you don’t I have nothing to add .

The attempt to draw parallels with Harry and Andrew are desperate .

Not at all. Two members of the RF who are no longer serving getting exactly the same security.

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 10:05

@flapjackfairy
Unbelievable ! I said on another thread that when royalists comment one will say ‘ at least Andrew keeps his mouth shut !’

Do you ever pause to wonder why keeping your mouth shut is so crucial for the Windsors ? WTH are they hiding ?

Anyway thanks for proving my point

flapjackfairy · 04/05/2025 10:05

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 09:03

Not true

When, as a result of public pressure , Andrew was stripped of his security Charles stepped in a paid millions year after year to protect Andrew
As soon as Harry said he and Meghan wanted to step away for a year Harry was threatened with having his security stripped away. Charles then did strip his security . He probably thought Harry would be forced back as a result
Harrys own father and head of the COE would rather protect Andrew than Harry

William and Charles have representatives on RAVEC ( the group who decide which royals get security and how much )

Charles didn't strip his security. RAVEC make decisions on security. .And did Andrew leave the country ? No .
If he had chosen to live abroad he would've been in the same boat.
Harry spat the dummy and then realised he wouldn't get state funded security in America. Why should he ? He wants to live a non royal life so he has to accept he doesn't get the royal privileges either.

myrtleWilson · 04/05/2025 10:04

@Mirabella7 where did you see that Harry has to be formally invited to the UK? He is a UK citizen still so can travel at his whim (he needs to comply with RAVEC security processes but that doesn't extend to only visiting when invited...)

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 10:02

@Munnygirl
My issue is that Andrew was protected by Charles and the queen . The vast majority of the uk population have an issue with that . If you don’t I have nothing to add .

The attempt to draw parallels with Harry and Andrew are desperate .

Mirabella7 · 04/05/2025 09:55

It’s not so much about who pays for security as Harry not being safe with unarmed security and without the intelligence that only the police have access to. Harry also has to be formally invited to visit the UK, he can’t just give notice of it. With the state of his relationship with The King that’s not likely to happen.
Harry needs to build bridges with his father long distance first and The King understandably won’t communicate.
Such a mess and every time he speaks he seems to make it worse.

Noshowlomo · 04/05/2025 09:46

Sorry to sound like a thicko, but I’ve read so much of “he wants this, no he wants that”. Can someone who fully understands this please tell me what exactly he wants, what he is actually getting and why he can’t get what he wants. Thank you 🙏🏼

flapjackfairy · 04/05/2025 09:42

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 09:35

Andrew has armed security provided by the Windsors as they harbour him and each time they parade with him in public

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he does not. You are talkng nonsense.
As has been repeatedly stated armed security cannot be bought.
Andrew gets protection on Royal estates because the estate is protected.
Otherwise he has the same rules as Harry.
And let's not forget Chatles was funding H and M in the early days. But they wanted to go.it alone and chuck the royal family under the bus for cold hard cash.
It backfired on them badly. Who would've known ?They basically killed the golden goose. They have made a monumental mess of their lives and can blame no one but themselves.
And say what you like about Andrew( and there is plenty to say ) but he hasn't sold his family for 40 pieces of silver . He has the sense to know which side his bread is buttered.

Munnygirl · 04/05/2025 09:41

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 09:35

Andrew has armed security provided by the Windsors as they harbour him and each time they parade with him in public

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And Harry would have the same protection if he attended royal events or stayed in one of the royal palaces. What is your issue with that?

Munnygirl · 04/05/2025 09:40

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 09:33

Charles had also been financing Andrew’s living expenses of a million a year

When under more public pressure Charles cut Andrew’s funding Andrew somehow gained a business deal somewhere in the Middle East.

The point being is that Charles has cut it off

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 09:35

Andrew has armed security provided by the Windsors as they harbour him and each time they parade with him in public

UndermyShoeJoe · 04/05/2025 09:34

That Would have still be unarmed security which isn’t want Harry wants.

Good for the king for cutting off two grifters. Should have happened way sooner. The queen should have cut off Andrew a long time before she died.

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 09:33

Charles had also been financing Andrew’s living expenses of a million a year

When under more public pressure Charles cut Andrew’s funding Andrew somehow gained a business deal somewhere in the Middle East.

Munnygirl · 04/05/2025 09:28

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 09:25

It was published in the press that Charles had stepped in and was finding Andrew’s security ( and an allowance!)
Are you saying I’m making it up?

Is that the British “gutter” press? 😹

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 09:25

It was published in the press that Charles had stepped in and was finding Andrew’s security ( and an allowance!)
Are you saying I’m making it up?

Munnygirl · 04/05/2025 09:24

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 09:09

Charles paid millions each year for Andrew
Andrew has tax payer funded armed security as he can’t leave royal grounds in case the FBI want a word

Thats the Windsors. How admirable . Bend your knee..

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Andre ONLY has security because he lives on the Windsor estate which has security. If he moved out he wouldn’t have any security

Munnygirl · 04/05/2025 09:21

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 09:03

Not true

When, as a result of public pressure , Andrew was stripped of his security Charles stepped in a paid millions year after year to protect Andrew
As soon as Harry said he and Meghan wanted to step away for a year Harry was threatened with having his security stripped away. Charles then did strip his security . He probably thought Harry would be forced back as a result
Harrys own father and head of the COE would rather protect Andrew than Harry

William and Charles have representatives on RAVEC ( the group who decide which royals get security and how much )

You have no idea if any of this is true.

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