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Persimo · 03/05/2025 11:47

Details altered to avoid outing.

So DS will be off to reception in September. He used to go to day nursery, where he was popular and well liked, but the day nursery only take children up to 3 years old, so we then sent DS to the school nursery at our preferred primary, school A.

DS liked nursery at school A, except that there is a boy there (let's call him O) who consistently verbally and physically bullies other children, unprovoked. There are several children who O treats like this, and so my DH and I, and several other sets of parents, have gone into school to ask them to stop the bullying. School A claim to have tried to deal with the bullying, but it hasn't stopped.

The problem is, whilst my DS doesn't make a fuss about going into nursery, he unsurprisingly hates being around O. Since being picked on by O, DS's behaviour has really deteriorated. DS now cries at the drop of a hat, and seems to assume the worst of everyone now (i.e: if a child knocks over his block tower, he will now get angry and assume they did it on purpose, whereas in the past it wouldn't have phased him). DS has gone from being very gentle and sweet to being rough and aggressive with other children, he's like a completely different child.

In light of school A's inability to deal with O, DS won't be going there for Reception, he will be going to school B (other parents say it is a very happy school, great ofsted, great sats) instead. However school B doesn't have a nursery. I don't really want DS spending the last 3 months of term being picked on by O but I need the childcare, as I work full time.

There is one other nursery for DS's age group locally, again attached to a primary school (school C). School C has spaces in their nursery, but definitely wouldn't have a space for DS in reception as they are very oversubscribed.

My options are:

  1. Leave DS at school A for the rest of the academic year, and then he moves to school B for reception
  2. Move DS from school A to the nursery at school C for the last term, then he moves to school B for Reception

I am really torn and would greatly appreciate some advice.

YABU- leave DS where he is until the end of the school year
YANBU- move him, moving nursery and then to a new reception is fine

OP posts:
Persimo · 05/05/2025 11:11

@Sundaydrizzle This boy is unfortunately quite sophisticated. If he gets caught physically hurting other children (he usually only gets physical with other children in one of the 'blind spots' in the room where it is hard for staff to spot him) he just switches to being psychologically abusive, i.e; intimidating the other kids into not playing with the child he is picking on, periodically going up behind the child he's picking on and whispering in their ear that he hates them and isn't their friend, creating 'games' where the rules allow him to be violent (i.e: he is 'just being a wolf' and the other child is 'just being the sheep the wolf eats'). I have just never known such a young child be so sophisticated and so focused in their interpersonal aggression. Most kids this age lash out when they are upset, but this child seems to enjoy what he is doing unfortunately. The parents are seeking psychological support for him as even they are concerned that something is wrong with this child.

OP posts:
Sundaydrizzle · 05/05/2025 10:54

Have you given your permission to wallop O back? My ds was having trouble with a child who was very handsy, we told him to whack him back. I laid my position out to the teacher, saying her methods hadn't worked so we'd be employing our own.
You know what, one good whack and the boy left him alone. I'm not an advocate of violence, but in my instance it was the only thing that worked.

Emmz1510 · 05/05/2025 10:45

I would move him. My daughter went to school with no children from her private nursery, and she has been fine, with plenty of friends now in primary 6.

Eastereg · 04/05/2025 20:25

GRex · 04/05/2025 18:53

Unfortunately this "oh well" approach is the problem. Stop damaging the hitting child and the children being hit, enforce discipline. A weird recent training approach encourages some teachers and TAs to consider it isn't bullying when a child has additional needs, but the impact on the children being hit is identical to getting bullied; they are injured, they are sad, and their self-esteem is damaged. Telling those children they didn't shout "no" correctly while the kid thumps them daily and staff shrug is pathetic. The hitting child needs to be given consequences; sat down with writing, no outside play, sit with TA for 20 minutes, no cars play, or whatever works for that child for them to learn the answer is NO you do not hit other kids. Clear explanations "you may not do X today because you hit Y".

Couldn’t agree more!

GRex · 04/05/2025 18:53

2chocolateoranges · 04/05/2025 13:21

I work in early years and have worked in 3 different nurseries with friends at other nurseries and I can assure you there is an O at every nursery or school.

personally I wouldn’t move my child but would encourage them to be more verbal when this child is near them.

staff do our best but to say that a nursery child is a bully is wrong, the bullying word is banded about far too much.

The O we have has additional support needs, needs 1-1 support which the LA won’t provide, their communication is minimal which is frustrating to them, we obviously can’t discuss behaviour with other parents so it may appear we aren’t doing anything to support or stop this child but I can assure you we do.

Unfortunately this "oh well" approach is the problem. Stop damaging the hitting child and the children being hit, enforce discipline. A weird recent training approach encourages some teachers and TAs to consider it isn't bullying when a child has additional needs, but the impact on the children being hit is identical to getting bullied; they are injured, they are sad, and their self-esteem is damaged. Telling those children they didn't shout "no" correctly while the kid thumps them daily and staff shrug is pathetic. The hitting child needs to be given consequences; sat down with writing, no outside play, sit with TA for 20 minutes, no cars play, or whatever works for that child for them to learn the answer is NO you do not hit other kids. Clear explanations "you may not do X today because you hit Y".

MyDiamondShoesAreTooBig · 04/05/2025 14:52

Move him, poor thing.

While you’re waiting for it to go through you could coach your DS on how to deal with O. If O hits him he is to give him a massive wallop back, etc. but really emphasise that he is not to be aggressive or hit anyone else. Teach him not to start fights, but to finish them. Sometimes a softly softly approach just won’t work when you have to send your children to school with yobs.

CarrotCakeMuffins · 04/05/2025 14:48

Move him. He's clearly very unhappy. Don't underestimate the impact this is having on him.
You say he makes friends easily, so will likely settle quickly.
And yes, there may also be bullies / very tricky kids at nursery C but overall he'll be in a better position than now.

My DS was bullied in primary, school were ineffective, and we eventually moved him. He is thriving now, and we regret not doing it sooner.

Whinge · 04/05/2025 14:31

Why do you think school C wouldn’t take him? If you’re applying directly from the nursery you have a good chance

Attending a school nursery has no bearing on whether or not a child will be offered a place at the school for reception.

GiggleWiggle246 · 04/05/2025 14:10

Why do you think school C wouldn’t take him? If you’re applying directly from the nursery you have a good chance. At such a young age I wouldn’t worry about moving him, they make friends very quickly. But as someone mentioned there could be another O or even a few at the new nursery. I’d go to the head again of the current school and if no luck then the governors. I’ve known nursery children to be suspended for poor behaviour. It’s rare but does happen if the poor behaviour continues and parents aren’t supportive of the school.

BethDuttonYeHaw · 04/05/2025 13:33

Move him.

kids adapt really well at that age but get him away from the unpleasant experience.

Persimo · 04/05/2025 13:29

@Julimia O is being investigated for potential conduct disorder, so this is not your usual bully. There is no reprieve, he is taunting and hurting the other children all day every day and unfortunately he is smiling while he is doing it, and he isn't sorry when he gets caught. Myself and other parents have had the misfortune of seeing this behaviour first hand at birthday parties. This boy is very bright and physically bigger than the other children, so no chance of him getting a 1:1 via an EHCP. Multiple sets of parents have complained to school about this child's behaviour, as he is unrelentingly physically aggressive and unkind to quite a few of the children. DS was popular and well liked at day nursery (and to be fair is well liked by the other kids at school A), and had no problem dealing with normal tricky kids when he was there, but this kid is next level.

@Bumdishcloths School have had all year to deal with the situation with O and have made no progress, though it was only recently that DS and other parents let me know how consistently bad things were. At the end of the day I am not going to waste my time trying to magically transform the culture of an entire school, if multiple sets of parents have been going in all year about this issue and have been ignored.

DS is naturally a confident and outgoing child, he has lots of friends at his extracurricular, and didn't bat an eyelid about starting at a new school. I have friends with children at schools B and C and both schools are apparently much better at handling bullying than school A.

OP posts:
SunshineAndFizz · 04/05/2025 13:22

Bumdishcloths · 04/05/2025 12:55

I wouldn’t be moving him, I’d be demanding that school A sort the bullying. If it’s continuing, then they haven’t done enough. You shouldn’t have to move your child to accommodate their inability to effectively manage what is a very common issue.

Yeah I agree with this.

I would be on to them every single day. I’d ask for meetings with teachers, parents, managers. I’d write emails documenting it all. Honestly I’d be the biggest pain in their ass until they sorted it out.

2chocolateoranges · 04/05/2025 13:21

I work in early years and have worked in 3 different nurseries with friends at other nurseries and I can assure you there is an O at every nursery or school.

personally I wouldn’t move my child but would encourage them to be more verbal when this child is near them.

staff do our best but to say that a nursery child is a bully is wrong, the bullying word is banded about far too much.

The O we have has additional support needs, needs 1-1 support which the LA won’t provide, their communication is minimal which is frustrating to them, we obviously can’t discuss behaviour with other parents so it may appear we aren’t doing anything to support or stop this child but I can assure you we do.

RandomMess · 04/05/2025 13:20

I would be at nursery everyday asking what they are going to do to safeguard your son from X. What is their behaviour management policy, anti-bullying policy.

You can state that there may be reasons why X targets your DS but it is their responsibility to protect your DS and deal with X not for your DS to suffer to daily.

Whinge · 04/05/2025 13:16

There may be space, but are you sure school C will actually let him join for such a short amount of time? Especially as he's not attending the school for reception.

Noodles1234 · 04/05/2025 13:11

Personally I’d pull him out now if it is that bad and causing your child distress. Roughly 12 weeks is a VERY long time to a toddler.

yes weigh it up against disruption and starting Reception etc, but that age can be very social and resilient to making new friends.

Moonnstars · 04/05/2025 13:05

Does he go to nursery every day?
Also depending on where you live it is only 7 and a bit weeks assuming you can't move him until after half term.
I am not sure I would go through a move where he might find it hard to settle (this term in school nursery is the hardest as some will have been there since turning 3 and will be ready to move up to reception, while others who have only just turned 3 and never been to nursery will have just been given free places this term and find it hard to settle if they have never had childcare before. It is also the fullest school nurseries generally are which also means supply staff are also sometimes added in to keep up ratios but may be less familiar with the setting and how it all works).

Also I hate to say it but there are a lot of O's in schools. As someone else pointed out, it might be how the school deals with these children that makes a difference, but with so many funding cuts there is often not the resources e.g. staff to be watching 1:1 unless they have an EHCP. It is quite possible that things will get better for O as they move into school and maybe they do have needs that nursery are noting and trying to get provision in place for. It could be that your child starting school B with no nursery may be a school taking on children who haven't been to nursery before or have been to other settings who may not have been so keen to start any process in diagnosing children with additional needs as it had no long term impact for them in terms of moving into the school.

Sockmate123 · 04/05/2025 13:02

I wouldn't move him for one term tbh but maybe break it up if you have some leave you can take from work. There could be O's or worse in school C!

justkeepswimingswiming · 04/05/2025 12:57

You won’t be able to use the funding for the second place, as first nursery would of been paid for the full term. So you’d need to pay but if you can afford it I’d move him.

Bumdishcloths · 04/05/2025 12:55

Persimo · 03/05/2025 11:47

Details altered to avoid outing.

So DS will be off to reception in September. He used to go to day nursery, where he was popular and well liked, but the day nursery only take children up to 3 years old, so we then sent DS to the school nursery at our preferred primary, school A.

DS liked nursery at school A, except that there is a boy there (let's call him O) who consistently verbally and physically bullies other children, unprovoked. There are several children who O treats like this, and so my DH and I, and several other sets of parents, have gone into school to ask them to stop the bullying. School A claim to have tried to deal with the bullying, but it hasn't stopped.

The problem is, whilst my DS doesn't make a fuss about going into nursery, he unsurprisingly hates being around O. Since being picked on by O, DS's behaviour has really deteriorated. DS now cries at the drop of a hat, and seems to assume the worst of everyone now (i.e: if a child knocks over his block tower, he will now get angry and assume they did it on purpose, whereas in the past it wouldn't have phased him). DS has gone from being very gentle and sweet to being rough and aggressive with other children, he's like a completely different child.

In light of school A's inability to deal with O, DS won't be going there for Reception, he will be going to school B (other parents say it is a very happy school, great ofsted, great sats) instead. However school B doesn't have a nursery. I don't really want DS spending the last 3 months of term being picked on by O but I need the childcare, as I work full time.

There is one other nursery for DS's age group locally, again attached to a primary school (school C). School C has spaces in their nursery, but definitely wouldn't have a space for DS in reception as they are very oversubscribed.

My options are:

  1. Leave DS at school A for the rest of the academic year, and then he moves to school B for reception
  2. Move DS from school A to the nursery at school C for the last term, then he moves to school B for Reception

I am really torn and would greatly appreciate some advice.

YABU- leave DS where he is until the end of the school year
YANBU- move him, moving nursery and then to a new reception is fine

I wouldn’t be moving him, I’d be demanding that school A sort the bullying. If it’s continuing, then they haven’t done enough. You shouldn’t have to move your child to accommodate their inability to effectively manage what is a very common issue.

Julimia · 04/05/2025 12:50

I have to tell you there will always be a bully, there will always be a discrepancy as to how it is dealt with , there will always be a need to equip your own child with dealing with it strategies,there will always be a need to be rational about this. Are you going to move him at every little hiccup over the next 13+ years? Are you always going to listen to everyone else ?

FlowerUser · 03/05/2025 13:44

Three months is a really long time when you're that age so I would move him. It shows him you're listening to him and taking care of him.

He will also widen his circle of friends and gain confidence.

noctilucentcloud · 03/05/2025 13:31

I think move him. If there's only two nurseries for children this age, he might already know someone there, or someone from the school C nursery might also end up going to school B. Plus it sounds like he was ok moving from old nursery to his current one. I think it'll be good for your son to relearn being in a nursery environment is fun / ok / safe before he moves on to reception.

Biscuitsneeded · 03/05/2025 13:29

I'd move him too. Where do most children who are going to School B go to nursery? Any chance you can get him in there? That way, it's not just a move to escape Child O, it's a positive move to help your DS get to know his future classmates before starting school, and ease his transition there.

GRex · 03/05/2025 13:16

Overthebow · 03/05/2025 13:12

if you do love him you wont be able to use thy e funding for another nursery place so you’d have to pay the full amount. Just something to take into account when deciding.

That isn't true. There may not be any restrictions depending on switch (school to school for example), and if there are then the local authority can approve a move - which they should do if it's due to bullying.

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