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Why are so many English people so cold and reserved?

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Seventell · 03/05/2025 08:35

Im English myself. But i havent lived In England for a long time.

Ive had a nice career and ive lived and worked all over Europe. I most recently, was living in Italy.

My female boss in italy was so nice.

The first day that i was there, she asked me what i liked to do, i said that i liked to go to art classes. She told me about all the art museums in the area.

She looked up art classes for me to go to.
She also used to bring in little cakes for me every day. She said things like "if you ever need help with anything, ask me" my other colleagues were all really nice to me aswell. They would invite me out for dinners, and they were all so kind.

Ive just moved back to England two weeks ago. Im just shocked! My boss here is so cold. But not just cold. He seems really emotionally stunted, like he is barely able to have a conversation.
My other colleagues are like that aswell. They are really cold.
Ive also gone out to groups and ive seen that english people are much colder in these groups, then people are in other countries that ive lived in

Its just made me think - what has happened to english people. A lot of them seem so emotionally stunted and emotionally damaged.

OP posts:
mondaytosunday · 03/05/2025 12:55

I think English people expect a certain amount of autonomy in others.
I have worked here, in the US and France. I’ve had nice bosses, indifferent ones, and ones who were unbearable in each country.

Seventell · 03/05/2025 12:54

unlikelywitch · 03/05/2025 11:42

Exactly. OP is a billy bullshitter and can’t keep up with her own lies.

There have been a few other goady threads recently with the same writing style 🥱

Or maybe one of my parents has dual nationality. My dad does. My dad was born in england. My dad is english and also one other nationality. Because his parents are from a different Europran country. So my dad is english as he was born in england, but he is culturally not very english, as he has a lot of his parents culture. Eg imagine two spanish people moving to england and having a baby. The baby is English but will have a huge amount of Spanish culture.

My mum is not english at all. She was born in another european country

So I can keep up with what ive said. Its you who sounds ignorant as you seem to think that people are only one nationality. I'm dual nationality, and so is my dad.

A lot of my good friends are also dual nationality. One is dual american and irish nationality. Another one is dual swiss and spanish. Another of my friends has dual portuguese and irish nationality. Her mum is portuguese and her dad is Irish. Loads of people are dual nationality these days. As people from different countries meet each other, marry and have kids. Or just move for work.

OP posts:
VickyEadieofThigh · 03/05/2025 12:50

Seventell · 03/05/2025 12:48

"I havent offered any examples" .

I havent even been online for the last hour and a half as i was at a meditation class.

I doubt anyone on here is spending their whole Saturday on mumsnet!

Go on, then - what do you mean by "cruel"?

Seventell · 03/05/2025 12:49

humptydumptyfelloff · 03/05/2025 11:01

Ah I see you’ve met my mil Smile

Haha!

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Seventell · 03/05/2025 12:48

VickyEadieofThigh · 03/05/2025 12:27

See, generalising about people isn't nice, is it? You didn't like being criticised, did you?
Was that what you meant when said people had been "cruel" to you? You haven't offered any examples of that, by the way.

"I havent offered any examples" .

I havent even been online for the last hour and a half as i was at a meditation class.

I doubt anyone on here is spending their whole Saturday on mumsnet!

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fgwcam · 03/05/2025 12:47

Eh? Just because your boss is cold and reserved and your colleagues are too doesn't mean the English as a whole are cold and reserved. Some workplaces are like that. Others are warm and friendly.

I don't know if you're trying to be goady or what, but it's nonsense.

I live in Austria and a lot of Austrians have told me how much they like English people because apparently we are open and uncomplicated and have a great sense of humour.

As for the Austrians, they are a mixed bunch, as are all nationalities, most are extremely polite and helpful, especially in tourist areas but it takes a long time to actually make genuine lasting friendships with them.

LobeliaBaggins · 03/05/2025 12:47

LemonPeonies · 03/05/2025 12:40

You're completely right, but English people can't see it themselves. I'm English but my DP is from a European country and its like a different world there.

I am not English by birth and I dont agree with OP.

Seventell · 03/05/2025 12:46

SilviaSnuffleBum · 03/05/2025 11:31

But my parents (one is not English)

In another comment, you say BOTH your parents are from other European countries. 🤔

Yes both statements are true. Are you aware of dual nationalities.?
So many people are mixed nationalities these days.

My mother is not english at all. She was born elsewhere.

My dad was born in England. So he is english by law. But both of my dads parents are from a different European country. So my dad is dual nationality.

My dad would consider himself to be more of his parents nationality and culture.

Nationality can be a very mixed thing. Because people move around for work so much.

For example when i was in italy, i had a colleague called Anna. She was born in Switzerland. However both of her parents are spanish and they moved back to spain when she was three. She has dual swiss and spanish nationality. Even though shes barely been in switzerland. I asked her what nationality does she feel she is. She said she feels spanish as her parents are spanish, but she does feel a connection to Switzerland, where she was born

OP posts:
Mercurial123 · 03/05/2025 12:44

LemonPeonies · 03/05/2025 12:40

You're completely right, but English people can't see it themselves. I'm English but my DP is from a European country and its like a different world there.

Yet another sweeping statement. What nationality is your partner? I'm sure we can find a massive generalisation about his/her country.

LemonPeonies · 03/05/2025 12:40

You're completely right, but English people can't see it themselves. I'm English but my DP is from a European country and its like a different world there.

VickyEadieofThigh · 03/05/2025 12:27

Seventell · 03/05/2025 10:41

Lol. Now there's a snide comment.

Why should people type perfectly on their mobile phones? I don't and I never have done.

Look through all the whatsapp messages you've sent people. Come back and let me know if you have put every comma and apostrophe in the right place.

I bet you haven't! Its textspeak.

People write in shortened and incorrext versions of the langauge, when they are on their phone

In spain for example, many people wrote "q tal" to me in texts , instead of que tal.

See, generalising about people isn't nice, is it? You didn't like being criticised, did you?
Was that what you meant when said people had been "cruel" to you? You haven't offered any examples of that, by the way.

BMW6 · 03/05/2025 11:46

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unlikelywitch · 03/05/2025 11:42

SilviaSnuffleBum · 03/05/2025 11:31

But my parents (one is not English)

In another comment, you say BOTH your parents are from other European countries. 🤔

Exactly. OP is a billy bullshitter and can’t keep up with her own lies.

There have been a few other goady threads recently with the same writing style 🥱

TortolaParadise · 03/05/2025 11:38

Your Italian boss sounds lovely but not everyone would want a boss to step over into friendship so fast. Could be awkward if they need to tell you off!

I do think work is work and social is social. Management have never asked me any questions about anything non work related. I am more than ok with this. I, in turn. have not asked any questions either. I feel the less shared the better. I know that words spoken during management 'chit chat' are used as ammunition when 'situations' arise. I have seen this happen many times.

LobeliaBaggins · 03/05/2025 11:34

I am from another country originally, which is more loud and extroverted. In comparison, the English may be a bit reserved but not cold or unkind or emotionally stunted. Just a different way of expressing themselves.

I like how no one talks about money here and I appreciate the privacy. No complaints. Oh also, the British sense of humour is justly famous.

SilviaSnuffleBum · 03/05/2025 11:31

Seventell · 03/05/2025 09:59

Im technically English in that i was born in england. But my parents (one is not English) moved away from england when i was aged 3. So i have an english influence, but ive never lived here in England as an adult, before this year

. So i had not lived in the English culture before.

And of course im not slating English people. Im just saying that the culture is very difficult to get used to.

Edited

But my parents (one is not English)

In another comment, you say BOTH your parents are from other European countries. 🤔

NoSoupForU · 03/05/2025 11:31

You say you're English, so what's wrong with you? If all English people are the same, and all Italian people are the same, it should be easy for you to self reflect.

GoldBeautifulHeart · 03/05/2025 11:27

What's with the goady post?

I am not cold or reserved. I wear my heart on my sleeve and I'm friendly to most people.

IndigoViolent · 03/05/2025 11:26

My “Goady Old Shit” klaxon is going off…

Ygfrhj · 03/05/2025 11:26

You were a foreigner in Italy so maybe your Italian boss thought you needed support. Your English boss probably thinks you're fine settling by yourself since you're on home turf.

I've lived in various countries where people were culturally more or less reserved than the English. I don't think you can really attach a value judgement to those social norms. It can get suffocating when everyone is in your business just like it can get isolating when people keep their distance.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 03/05/2025 11:22

SapporoBaby · 03/05/2025 08:59

I also think it’s a bit fucked up to call strangers emotionally stunted and damaged’ because they’re not looking up art classes for their employee or inviting you over for dinner.

This^^

This isn't my experience of "he English" at all, but perhaps this particular group don't like judgemental idiots who think they should be looked after by their colleagues and managers. Most people go to work to work. They don't go to find best buddies.

Springhassprungxx · 03/05/2025 11:19

I love my boss and colleagues, we are a very close team - warm and friendly but not in each others' lives too much - lovely balance and l enjoy going to work. Think you have been unlucky op.

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 03/05/2025 11:17

I would think it rather intrusive if I were asked by my boss what interested me, then he/she be all over it like beans on toast
Work life, private life.

Syuni · 03/05/2025 11:13

People who start these sorts of threads are so breathtakingly lacking in any self-awareness or ability to self-reflect that they arrogantly assume everyone else is the problem.

arethereanyleftatall · 03/05/2025 11:11

You have used ‘cold’ and ‘cruel’ as adjectives and none of your examples indicate that.

I like and welcome our reserved politeness which then potentially leads to deep and kind, but only once you know someone properly. I find that infinitely preferable to fake and ott.

I would also say op, that if you’re broaching real life relationships with how you’ve responded on here, including the initial post, that’s not exactly going to result in people rushing over themselves to be friendly to you. You’re not being pleasant are you? ‘Everyone here is emotionally damaged, cold and cruel. I hate it’ ‘um, thanks for that’