Do you think some people didn't know what level of government they were voting for?

It’s a shame my daughter is still waiting after a year for an operation on her feet.

We can all cherrypick examples to suit different narratives.

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/reform-uk-manifesto-reaction

The IFS analysis of the Reform GE manifesto.

Raised more than a few questions (ditto for the Green’s effort)

Maybe they’ll just say there was a black hole left by Labour.

Although looking at that some of those have happened with this gov, cutting foreign aid and benefits. I don’t think they were planned pre GE.

Reform have a manifesto which says the savings will come from

Yes they have provided a really detailed and comprehensive breakdown of where the money will come from, haven't they? A whole page of it. With lots of white space.

My bloke is currently on his way home from an MRI scan that took place at 7.20. It was ordered at an outpatient appointment on Tuesday. I don’t see how that could possibly be any better.

Voting in the local elections can have bigger impact than all the other ways opposition mounts.

Politicians care about votes and careers after all. You can see Reform impacting Labour’s policies already as they try to counter. Whether it’ll work we’ll see.

Labour have put up employers ni and minimum wage which makes it more costly to employ someone - that won't increase growth as they say they want to - the reverse. If they really wanted to increase wages at no cost to employees they should raise the tax threshold which have stayed the same for years. Ditto going full tilt on net zero meaning we have the most costly industrial energy in the world while importing wood pellets and oil from norway even though we have our own oilfields next to them that we aren't allowed by Labour to exploit. We cannot be competitive or grow. Reform have a manifesto which says the savings will come from. And we need to copy successful health systems like France.

My dad started cancer treatment pretty much immediately in 2021. I have twice had an appointment at a specialist unit for a breast lump within 3 weeks of seeing my GP. Cancer has its own fast track NHS pathway. Adenomyosis abd endometriosis don’t. That took years to diagnose.

Ah, but it might send a message to government that they need to reintroduce the WFA or face annihilation at the next general election. So they aren’t entirely stupid. I suspect they know exactly what they were voting for and why. They are cross and this was a big fat middle finger.

In what way?
Average wage increases above inflation.
NHS waiting lists down and this isn't BS, Fil has had cancer treatments and diags done with 3 weeks, he was initially tld 8 weeks min.
Fuel duty never changed.
Neither has employee NI or Income tax rates.
Interest rates are down as is inflation.

They have been in for 10 months, we had Tory Austerity for 14 years!! this cannot be undone in a few months & Reform have nothing more than hot air on offer...

Such as "Turn around boats and send back to France" errr France will not allow that, so we do what? go to war??? Trade embargoes? close their embassy? and what do you think France would do? Instantly stop patrolling the beaches... that'll help us.. not!!

Reform want to increase tax free threshold to £20k.. so where is the 10s of billions coming from to do that?
An insurance backed NHS? Good luck if you have a pre existing condition....

Labour have been a disappointment, no doubt but whatever the question, Reform is not the answer

We live in a country were we have sitting MPs and MSPs who don't know who writes the law or how the British courts work. Before that we had foreign ministers who didn't know that trade deals required the agreement of foreign countries.

With this in mind, the general population are not really who I worry about tbh.

The majority in every age group over 45 voted Leave which is why people are pissed off with the boomer analysis. Plenty of Gen X voted to Leave, while nine years ago the over 65 group contained a now dead cohort of the Greatest and Silent generations - who I suspect were largely responsible for the Leave vote in that demographic.

@unn 23 / 317

but covering over 16 million people

It’s pretty obvious why, though, isn’t it?
The young felt there were benefits that outweighed the negatives for them.
The older, not so much.

That’s why we have democracy. Everyone gets a say.
The young also didn’t feel the benefits were compelling enough to actually make them go out and vote.

Having worked in local government I sometimes think that councillors for local authorities should be independent. Local people who are committed to and interested in doing the best they can for their fellow residents without having to toe the party line.

I live in a council area who did not have local elections this time. All over Facebook people saying they hadn't received their ballot paper and it was the council controlling who votes so that reform don't get in!! Granted its not the most educated area!
The local council posted on fb too to explain!! It didn't stop the idiots

They can’t stop boats but they can block change of use of hotels to house asylum seekers. I read it in The Independent a couple of days ago. In America some border States put immigrants on buses and bus them to States that are Democratic. It’s sort of in that vein really. Unsure if it’s still happening but one of my brothers lives in Texas and it was happening.

Lots of other countries in mainland Europe are introducing stricter immigration policies.

And the turnout for each age band ? If the younger has matched the older groups……

People are coming at me for my boomer comment.

Of course not all boomers voted for Brexit, but when we look at who did, the majority of the oldest age demographics did vote to leave the EU. Not by a huge margin, but still the majority, whereas the majority of the younger demographic voted remain.

I don’t know what the complainers want the Gov to do -there’s no money -and when they make some small changes -the winter fuel payment, iht on farmers, NI, PIP -which isn’t actually remotely what the NHS and SS needs money wise to keep it going, instead of saying good that’s a start - everyone’s whingeing and moaning - I’m at a loss….

i think we need a rule where you can’t whinge and moan without proposing your own solution to the problem. (Other than tax the rich)

People are turning to Reform because we are all worse off under this government. I can’t think of one positive change they have made for any of us - please tell me if you are noticing positive changes because I’d love to hear some good news. I have no clue how I’d vote nationally if there were a General Election tomorrow.