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To think voluntourism needs to be called out?

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icreaminbarnsley · 03/05/2025 07:29

I've had numerous requests this year by parents of teen dc who are going to various African countries to contribute to their crowdfunding "to help the people in [insert country]". They further explain that said child will be building schools/wells, teaching English, designing sanitation projects....but the latest I received was that their child would be "advising locals on how to set up a business". This in particular has really annoyed me, as the child is doing A Levels, has no business of their own, and no business acumen that I'm aware of. How can you be so brass necked and unaware to be spouting stuff like this? I totally get going to a different country is going to be a fantastic experience for the dc, but who is dressing it up to make it sound like these teens have something important to offer and are needed abroad, in areas that they have absolutely zero experience? I also get that the locals might benefit from the money that the dc need to pay to undertake such an experience, but is it really the locals who benefit, or is it the mainly the 'charitable' organizations that are based in the UK?

AIBU to feel we need to call this a unique opportunity to experience life in [insert country] and not delude ourselves into thinking the locals are benefitting from groups of western teens, who are not builders, engineers or business advisers?

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minnienono · 03/05/2025 11:16

Completely agree mostly (with the exception for those who have a genuine skill eg my dd was offered the opportunity to teach violin in South Africa to underprivileged children but she was (a) a concert standard player with experience of coaching primary aged children and (b) it was for 6 month and (c) they were offering her room, board and an allowance to do it as they genuinely wanted her! She didn’t do it do to Covid happening alas.) Taking a class of apprentices from a building college is so different to a group of a level students who don’t know one end of a trowel from the other

dogcatkitten · 03/05/2025 11:14

I got annoyed about this years ago, people basically asking you to pay for their child to have a holiday of a lifetime! Pay for it yourself!

LlynTegid · 03/05/2025 11:13

I am wondering if charitable status if it applies to such organisations should be withdrawn.

MaggieBsBoat · 03/05/2025 11:12

Yes! So awful.
and young people teaching English when their own English is subpar. Anyone can get a TEFL qualification (I have one!) but that doesn’t make you a teacher.
It’s all just MC white saviour bullshit and also condescending to the extreme. Hate it. I wouldn’t give any money for this.
I did volunteering in Europe when I was their age for a couple of years. Made much more sense and I am so glad I don’t have the embarrassment now of having to say I did XYZ in Africa 20 years ago.

Digdongdoo · 03/05/2025 11:10

User46576 · 03/05/2025 10:10

I’ve worked and studied development. Sadly problems don’t fix themselves in the absence of foreign volunteers.

Lol. And has a couple of centuries of foreign nose sticking done any good? Surely if we were the magic bullet, the problems would all be solved by now?

Digdongdoo · 03/05/2025 11:09

Hard agree. World travel is a fabulous experience. Go on safari, visit by all means. But tell teenagers they have anything to offer. The cycle of dependency is so damaging (though by no means unique to Africa), and the profit doesn't go anywhere near a person in any kind of need.
We're moving back to DHs home country (East Africa) next year. Africa isn't all what people think.

Hoppinggreen · 03/05/2025 11:08

LoserWinner · 03/05/2025 10:58

When I worked at an independent school, they organised a trip to South Africa to visit townships and play football and hockey with ‘underprivileged’ children. The £3000 cost included £800 worth of new branded sports kit and a two-day safari. I suggested that each of the 40 kids who were on the list each donate the money and go to Woburn instead. Or at least wear their regular sports kit and donate that portion of the cost. The organiser was mightily offended.

The whole thing is an Industry.
A couple of schools local to me had a scheme where Pupils needed to raise £3000 to go to Burma to do "charity" work. I looked into it and the profits of the company involved were pretty high.
DD decided agianst it when we broke down what she would have to earn on a weekly basis to do it but some kids did and when Covid hit they had a hell of a job to get the mony they had already paid back

Lovelysummerdays · 03/05/2025 11:05

PermanentTemporary · 03/05/2025 07:41

I wouldn't call it out directly but I certainly won't support things like that. I guess I might do a bit of passive aggressive 'did you say Fabian here will be advising them? On running a business? Oh! Advising who? Who runs this?'

I can only hope that the organisation is fully aware of what it is doing and won't let Fabian do any actual harm. If it were me I would have Fabian shadowing all the different bits of the business for 4 weeks and get him to do a 10 minute presentation on his great thoughts at the end. While charging his parents him as much as I could get away with.

Find an organisation that is working in a different model and circulate a fundraiser around. Camarados, something like that.

I suspect Fabian won’t be doing much harm but won’t be doing any good.

Im sure I read somewhere that a lot of these teen construction projects need to be taken down and rebuilt as they are so shoddy. I suppose removing the building component saves time and effort.

SkaterGrrrrl · 03/05/2025 11:01

YANBU

To think voluntourism needs to be called out?
LoserWinner · 03/05/2025 10:58

When I worked at an independent school, they organised a trip to South Africa to visit townships and play football and hockey with ‘underprivileged’ children. The £3000 cost included £800 worth of new branded sports kit and a two-day safari. I suggested that each of the 40 kids who were on the list each donate the money and go to Woburn instead. Or at least wear their regular sports kit and donate that portion of the cost. The organiser was mightily offended.

graceinspace999 · 03/05/2025 10:55

CreationNat1on · 03/05/2025 10:31

My gran rip (Irish), used to travel to Glasgow in the 1980s, giving out the mass times, holy medals and holy water, in the Glasgow slums/flats. She came home with stories of people accepting the medals graciously, some people slammed doors in her face (weren't they brazen!), stories of needles in the stairwells of the flats....... It was all very holier than thou, and an opportunity to feel pathos on someone else's behalf. It was a holiday that enabled her to feel superior and a saviour.

It was a holiday. Why didn't she go visiting all the drug addled, deprived communities in Ireland?

Because Ireland was long colonised by UK so this was a chance for her to feel superior.

Not to mention 80s Ireland had none of those drug problems etc because everyone was a saint 😇

Foodylicious · 03/05/2025 10:54

I don't know about 'calling out', but it's certainly an opportunity for discussion and information sharing.
Some people are very unaware of the undercurrents and realities of the situations.
Similar to poverty porn, in that things are better depicted, represented and understood than they were 20-30 years ago, but really haven't come as far as they should.
https://frompoverty.oxfam.org.uk/is-poverty-porn-a-thing-of-the-past-yes-and-no/

Is Poverty Porn a thing of the past? Yes and No | From Poverty to Power

https://frompoverty.oxfam.org.uk/is-poverty-porn-a-thing-of-the-past-yes-and-no

empee47 · 03/05/2025 10:52

Totally agree, OP. Absolutely in agreement with everything you say. I would not donate to any such request.

Hoppinggreen · 03/05/2025 10:50

ForPearlViper · 03/05/2025 10:48

Quite. And if he can't even manage packing a bit of shopping without his Mum's help you have to pity the poor locals he gets foisted on.

To be fair he could manage fine, his Mum was was giving him lifts as they live rurally

LovelySG · 03/05/2025 10:48

I had this when my kids were teens. It used to really irritate me. Why am I being asked to contribute to your kid’s holiday? If you want to help Africa send the money directly rather than wasting £££ on a plane ticket for some
hapless kid.

ForPearlViper · 03/05/2025 10:48

Hoppinggreen · 03/05/2025 10:24

Friend of mine summed it up quite nicely
"I spent last saturday standing in Co op in my designer coat having driven there in my expensive car with my privately educated son asking people to give us a few pence for him packing their shopping (which I am sure they are perfectly capable of doing themsleves for free) so he can go on a 3 week jolly
Fucking ridiculous!"

Quite. And if he can't even manage packing a bit of shopping without his Mum's help you have to pity the poor locals he gets foisted on.

AquaPeer · 03/05/2025 10:47

DancefloorAcrobatics · 03/05/2025 10:20

Unpopular opinion (again)

I believe that these problems would over time fix themselves.

Not in the way that we envisage this and definitely not peaceful.

But then, we need to look back and understand how we ended up in 2025 Europe with accessible health care, housing and plenty of food available.

It's a process not a dictate.

I agree with this- this thread is dominated by the short term view. Women will die now.

look at the wealth created by various African countries in the last 30 years. It wasn’t comic relief that got them there. They got themselves there. With the decline of the west Africa is ready and able to take over. We shouldn’t be so patronising- our grandchildren will be moving to the continent to find work. It’s only colonial attitudes that have kept the uk as desirable as it (just about) still is, world wide. That’ll be gone in the short term, and the tide has been turning for 10 years

MyOliveHelper · 03/05/2025 10:46

NeverDropYourMooncup · 03/05/2025 10:29

Morally, an African mother and baby are not appropriate subjects for practising upon.

OK, so maybe a white British woman and her baby don't die at some point in the future because the student learned what the reality of dying looks like when there isn't somebody who actually knows what they're doing present - but that's of absolutely zero benefit to what could be seen as disposable black and brown women and infants in the student's wake.

Think of it as though I've done a first aid course and completed a bit of a science degree. Do you want me rolling up and practising on you and your child? You're not going to get a real doctor, midwife or nurse coming to help if I fuck it up, but hey, I'm better than nothing, assuming I don't either panic or get over confident because I saw a few episodes of Call the Midwife and my cat had kittens when I was nine. And I paid somebody to have access to your body because I wouldn't be allowed anywhere near somebody in the country I live in, so I've got the right to interfere.

And this is really the point. They were caring for women who had been in the 2nd stage of labour for days while travelling to the hospital in conditions where they wouldn't get an "emergency" caesearean for hours, if not days.

One thing they all learned is that actually, most babies were perfectly fine even with prolonged waters breaking or days in labour. Remarkable little things they are.

They experienced a few deaths, but if I remember, nobody experienced a baby dying in labour. They were stillbirths that occurred before they attended the hospital.

Navyontop · 03/05/2025 10:45

User46576 · 03/05/2025 10:11

It’s racism to volunteer at a clinic or to bold a house or do a beach clean in another country?

wow, I’ve heard everything now

Well if I had said any of those things, your comment might make sense.

324GG · 03/05/2025 10:45

Atarin · 03/05/2025 07:38

This is hardly a new phenomenon, but why do people feel the need to ‘call out’ things we don’t agree with. Obviously things like child abuse need to be reported, but otherwise just let other families parent in the way they see fit. Don’t donate to things you don’t want to. There’s no need to shame people who decide they want their children to do something different to you.

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They need to be "called out" for the very reason that THEY ARE STILL GOING ON!

No one needs rich, privileged kids going anywhere pretending to be doing good on the money of other people.

If this crap had been called out when it first stared, and not indulged, it would have stopped years ago

Hoppinggreen · 03/05/2025 10:42

icreaminbarnsley · 03/05/2025 10:32

Why did she not just pay for her son's trip herself then?

She would have been happy to but the rules (Scouts) said he had to raise the money himself.
Thats why it was so ridiculous, they were asking people with far less money to fund his trip when they were more than capable of doing so.

Lickityspit · 03/05/2025 10:39

My DS went to Rwanda with the school. Their school was partnered with a charity based in the village they went to. They took iPads for the teachers in the local schools (the internet connection was amazing apparently) and donated football strips etc. But they funded it all themselves and I suspect they got more out of it than the children they went to “help”!

icreaminbarnsley · 03/05/2025 10:37

smithypants · 03/05/2025 10:31

I hate this sh!t too. Basically colonial-era arrogance and imposition. I taught English as TEFL in Ghana and was left feeling guilt at an unfinished job as the placement was only 3 months and unease with the views from the rest of the teachers. I took it really seriously and did lesson plans, homework and catch ups but I was just playing teacher with their lives.

There's a massive difference between going for 3 months with a focussed purpose (and I assume you have some sort of experience/qualification) than a teen who is going for 10 days to simultaneously build wells, engineer sanitation projects, help at orphanages, teach people English and the latest one I heard was "educate locals about periods".

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Lifeofthepartay · 03/05/2025 10:34

You are absolutely right. I never liked the "sponsored" type of charities... great, you are going on a walk, cutting your hair, whatever activity you choose for charity but want people to pay money so you can donate? Weird. Just skip all the song and dance and donate yourself. It would be different if someone sold their stuff for charity or made food then donated the money from the sale...it's easy to do charity with other's money.

icreaminbarnsley · 03/05/2025 10:32

Hoppinggreen · 03/05/2025 10:24

Friend of mine summed it up quite nicely
"I spent last saturday standing in Co op in my designer coat having driven there in my expensive car with my privately educated son asking people to give us a few pence for him packing their shopping (which I am sure they are perfectly capable of doing themsleves for free) so he can go on a 3 week jolly
Fucking ridiculous!"

Why did she not just pay for her son's trip herself then?

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