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To think that not speaking to your own son is not a good look for the King ?

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Marmaladelover · 02/05/2025 21:08

Don’t get me wrong I think Harry has been a bit of an entitled burk but even so I was shocked that there has not been a reconciliation between Harry and Megan and the King and Queen at least to be civil to each other .
Refusing to even speak just seems like sulking to me !
That said I don’t think Harry telling the world and washing yet more dirty laundry in public is going to help matters .

Maybe some folk will think this comment belongs in the Royal Family thread rather than AIBU but it’s more about mumsnet standards ( sulking is not good ) and whether they should apply to those in high office .

Even JFK and Krushev had a hotline after the Cuban Crisis !

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TranceNation · 05/05/2025 06:23

It's like any family, don't shit on your own doorstep. If you slag off your own family then sometimes there is no way back. Charles is not great but Harry is a very complex person I think.

Aweecupofteaandabiscuit · 05/05/2025 04:43

Prince Philip walked in procession behind his sister Cecile’s coffin at her very public funeral when he was a teenager. He was glad he did so and that is why he walked with his grandsons to help them through it.
Having invoked the wrath of the nation by remaining at Balmoral with her grieving grandsons instead of immediately parading down to London, I don’t think the Queen would have allowed them to then just be thrown unwillingly in front of the crowds. They did it for their Mum, with their father, uncle and grandfather by their sides.

nottheplan · 05/05/2025 04:35

JMSA · 04/05/2025 07:49

Just get shot of the whole bloody lot of them.

Yes 👍

nottheplan · 05/05/2025 04:32

Lockdownsceptic · 05/05/2025 02:49

Alot of people say this about the funeral but. I don’t think anyone forced Harry to walk behind his mother’s cortège. He is supposed to have been traumatised by doing so but imagine the guilt he would later have felt if he hadn’t done so. It’s not the walking behind the coffin that did the damage it is losing his mother.
I also think Charles has been an excellent father to those two boys in difficult circumstances.
We should remember that both boys lost their mother, both walked behind her coffin but only one of them turned out like Harry.

Because William is probably more cold hearted than Harry, just like his father. He probably suppresses his feelings also, unlike Harry who wears his heart on his sleeve. I have two brothers like this. Chalk and cheese. And you are insinuating that Harry is a bad person because he hasn't conformed. Disgusting and bitter response. Have you ever thought about the poor little boy he was, and everything he has been through . Show a little empathy fgs 😔

nottheplan · 05/05/2025 04:28

HRTQueen · 02/05/2025 21:14

He allowed his sons to walk behind their mothers coffin at her funeral while the world watch all for the royal image

he packed them back off to boarding school when their were grieving

he had no intentions of ever being faithful and choose a bride that suited his needs and watched her mental health spiral and did nothing

what makes you think Charles is a nice guy he has never had a reputation of being nice

Completely agree. He is obviously a cold hearted person
What a shame the boys lost their beautiful, loving mother and not him.

Lockdownsceptic · 05/05/2025 02:49

Lesina · 02/05/2025 21:21

This 100%. What ‘ the firm’ did to those children to satisfy the ghoulish demands of ‘the people’ was barbaric. He was 13 years old and expected to display his grief like an entertainment show. Horrific

Alot of people say this about the funeral but. I don’t think anyone forced Harry to walk behind his mother’s cortège. He is supposed to have been traumatised by doing so but imagine the guilt he would later have felt if he hadn’t done so. It’s not the walking behind the coffin that did the damage it is losing his mother.
I also think Charles has been an excellent father to those two boys in difficult circumstances.
We should remember that both boys lost their mother, both walked behind her coffin but only one of them turned out like Harry.

foreverblowingbubbless · 05/05/2025 02:23

StopStartStop · 04/05/2025 15:57

Harry betrayed his family, which could cause the monarchy to collapse. So it's not a small thing. The king is an old guy with cancer who wants to do his king-work before he dies.

He doesn't owe a thing to that prat who left, or to the awful woman he left with.

Dear King, don't talk to Harry. He'll betray you again. Talk to William and Catherine. And George. If you all play this right, and I know you are trying, George will be king one day. And let the intelligence people work on that woman. We'd believe pretty much anything they said about her.

😳

foreverblowingbubbless · 05/05/2025 02:21

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 20:49

David beckham isn’t head of a church or paid half a billion to be head of state
The Windsors are revealed to be cruel and cold
No surprise to me but there are those who still believe he fairytale . Harry’s recent interview was his way of recording the facts before the royals start their re write of history.

You really are taking my comment too seriously 😂

Tomatotater · 04/05/2025 22:35

StopStartStop · 04/05/2025 15:57

Harry betrayed his family, which could cause the monarchy to collapse. So it's not a small thing. The king is an old guy with cancer who wants to do his king-work before he dies.

He doesn't owe a thing to that prat who left, or to the awful woman he left with.

Dear King, don't talk to Harry. He'll betray you again. Talk to William and Catherine. And George. If you all play this right, and I know you are trying, George will be king one day. And let the intelligence people work on that woman. We'd believe pretty much anything they said about her.

How could Harry cause the Monarchy to collapse?

Tomatotater · 04/05/2025 22:32

Mylovelygreendress · 04/05/2025 08:23

Diana embarrassed the RF and , most importantly, William with her extra marital antics . William refused to speak to her after the MB interview.
W and C seem close to Camilla .

So he was embarrassed by his mothers affairs, but he's happily forgiven the woman who made his mothers life a misery?

Tomatotater · 04/05/2025 22:27

And as a republican I’d note that Harry’s main ire is reserved for the suits who surround the institution, not the family itself. He describes William and Charles as trapped . There is an argument for getting rid of the monarchy to free the individuals currently acting as ‘royals’
Louis will be next to be the spare thrown to the press to make the heir look better.

I agree with this, but I suspect Harry is delusional when he describes Charles and William as 'trapped'. The job of the Royal Courtiers is to fall on their swords whenever the Royals fuck up, as we have seen with Charles and his plastic bags f cash and Andrew with his interview. they are not poor innocents, just sitting in their gilded cage,not knowing whats going on because the big baddie staff that they employ are keeping them from doing what they want. Charles and William know that to keep the whole shebang on the road, you have to shut up and toe the line, because The Windsors keeping hold of the Monarchy is more important than anything else. They want this. They don't want to be tenant farmers or whatever (well they don't want to have to live on a tenant farmers earnings, or pay any bills or clean their own houses or put their own clothes on) Its why they do everything they do-the day or two of charity work charity work, the huge PR machine, everything. The'spares' should put up with it because as a consequence, they get to live in the lap of luxury being given handouts for the rest of their lives by their parent/brother/nephew/cousin until they die.

Needspaceforlego · 04/05/2025 22:00

landryclarke · 04/05/2025 20:09

There has been a lot of speculation that the government encouraged it as the royal family were unpopular at the time and they feared booing, they felt the presence of the sons would stop this.

I doubt the government had anything to do with the decision on who walked behind the coffin.

The people who needed to be there was Charles and Charles Spencer, but it was a bit of a weird situation. A Royal Ceremonial Funeral when really they were divorced.

Philip encouraged the boys to do it because he thought they might regret it as they got older if they didn't.

There was no confirmation about Harry until the time of the funeral when the 'pre funeral' chat started on the telly, the commentators did not know if Harry was walking. There was a Plan B that he could travel in a carriage, probably with HMQ.

The knowledge that a 16yo Philip walked behind his sister, husband and there children really puts a different spin on it for me. That must have been an equally if not worse procession to be involved with.

It's not like he was asking or encouraging the boys to do something he hadn't done before.

Letsummercommence · 04/05/2025 21:16

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 20:49

David beckham isn’t head of a church or paid half a billion to be head of state
The Windsors are revealed to be cruel and cold
No surprise to me but there are those who still believe he fairytale . Harry’s recent interview was his way of recording the facts before the royals start their re write of history.

I don’t think it hurts a Head if State to be restrained and diplomatic even if it comes across as cold. They, as in themselves have to be representative of a nation. Divulging their own personal issues is the antithesis of that.

The point about Beckham I suppose is that their family are also loaded and very close and supportive of each other. And still of their kids seems to cut themselves off.
The difference is Brooklyn isn’t risking his parents work by his actions.
Harry is and he also knows going public isn’t the way to get his father and brother on side.

Serpentstooth · 04/05/2025 21:08

Beckham in line for the throne? I thought he only wanted a knighthood.

myrtleWilson · 04/05/2025 21:05

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 20:49

David beckham isn’t head of a church or paid half a billion to be head of state
The Windsors are revealed to be cruel and cold
No surprise to me but there are those who still believe he fairytale . Harry’s recent interview was his way of recording the facts before the royals start their re write of history.

Harry has a long and distinguished history of not relaying facts at all, prefering his 'truth' over objective evidence - cf: death of the Queen Mother

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 20:54

BoredZelda · 04/05/2025 14:45

If you disbelieve what he says and only believe an establishment known for closing ranks whilst also working against each other when it suits, then you might want to look at why you dislike the only person who has the courage to protect his family. If Charles had done that, Diana would still be alive.

Exactly this
’ an establishment stitch up’ as Harry put it

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 20:49

David beckham isn’t head of a church or paid half a billion to be head of state
The Windsors are revealed to be cruel and cold
No surprise to me but there are those who still believe he fairytale . Harry’s recent interview was his way of recording the facts before the royals start their re write of history.

foreverblowingbubbless · 04/05/2025 20:12

MereNoelle · 04/05/2025 20:04

What’s that got to do with Prince Harry? 😂

Well it's not a good look for David Beckham either is it ? It makes as much sense as the title of this thread 🤷‍♀️

landryclarke · 04/05/2025 20:09

HeySugarSugar · 03/05/2025 03:59

Where’s the evidence that it was the government that “demanded the children be trotted out”? Have never seen that anywhere 🙄

There has been a lot of speculation that the government encouraged it as the royal family were unpopular at the time and they feared booing, they felt the presence of the sons would stop this.

MereNoelle · 04/05/2025 20:04

foreverblowingbubbless · 04/05/2025 20:01

And look at the palaver with David Beckham and Brooklyn too 🤷‍♀️

What’s that got to do with Prince Harry? 😂

foreverblowingbubbless · 04/05/2025 20:01

And look at the palaver with David Beckham and Brooklyn too 🤷‍♀️

BigAnne · 04/05/2025 18:46

lizzyBennet08 · 04/05/2025 15:52

It’s totally clear that Charles couldn’t talk to him while the court case was ongoing. It would be akin to the defendant making contact with one of the witnesses before a trial.

Im not a fan of Charles really but feel that he was totally correct in refusing to have any conversation or input into the process while legal proceedings were ongoing.
Can you imagine the headlines if he was seen as king of England to have intervened or even had a conversation about a legal case involving his son. It would
come
up in court and could have the potential to collapse the monarchy.

There's no such person as the King of England.

MichaelandKirk · 04/05/2025 16:04

H and M have made a decision to leave the RF. Unfortunately they seem to also want the trappings of royalty and have treated the wider family appallingly.

If I was a member of this family I wouldn’t know if I was being recorded, misquoted or set up by those two. This cancer is for KC to fight. Not for Harry to speculate on in front of millions.

As for thinking they can dictate green policies to the rest of us whilst taking private jets words fail me.

foreverblowingbubbless · 04/05/2025 16:03

It's pretty obvious that there are posters here just trying to take away from the fact that Harry has had a major setback. They are spouting fake news in an attempt to divert from this. 🙄

foreverblowingbubbless · 04/05/2025 16:00

Ukisgaslit · 04/05/2025 11:04

@Createausername1970

Im well aware that Louis isn’t the ‘spare’ but the Windsor PR machine needs a woman they can cast as the ‘work horse’ asap.
Kate and William do the square root of nothing and have made it clear they plan to do even less.
So they will put their daughter ( I’ve forgotten her name momentarily) in the Anne role and Louis will be ‘rogue’ or the ‘baddie’ depending on what they need to distract their remaining supporters with.

As usual you are so well informed you don't even know names😂 . Well that makes for a good argument - not.