To think that not speaking to your own son is not a good look for the King ?

I agree. Charles is the father, he should fix it.

How exactly would you suggest Charles fixes it, @21ZIGGY? The only thing that would placate Harry would be an abject apology by Charles and William and probably a few other members of the RF, with an acknowledgement that Harry has never done anything wrong, is a living saint and basically can have anything he wants, including full security. And even Charles were to arrange all that, he has no means of knowing that Harry won't go running to the Press the next day to complain that his tone of voice was wrong or something.

He said he'd not had a risk management assessment since the first decision in 2020 when standard practice is that they happen yearly.

I very much doubt that that is standard practice for people living abroad. It makes much more sense to do an assessment each time he is officially invited over here or when he gives due notice, as he has been asked to do. It's fairly ridiculous to expect people to do a full risk assessment for the whole family every year when we have no idea whether they will turn up in the UK or not.

Harry seems very willing to put any conversation or interaction into the public for pay. And in that Oprah interview he clearly lied about a lot of it. Nothing has happened to make anyone think they now regret that approach, quite the opposite, they now seem to be all the more desperate for money.

As long as Charles and the rest continue to interact with H and M, H and M can make any claim they like and there is nothing to be done because the RF won't usually comment. Even if they just talk about the weather or kids Harry can claim someone said something racist or whatever.

The only way to make sure Harry can't make any claim, is to not speak to him at all. and he's still trying to use that against them.

In what way were H and M treated unfairly @LipglossAlly ?
If they were treated unfairly why did they want to remain part of The Firm ?
Why is H desperate to reconcile?
Why does M cling on to her title of the RF experience was so awful ?

Even if we accept @LipglossAlly 's argument that they were treated unfairly, the truth is that H&M are desperate to be Royal and to be accepted within the fold. They wanted to 'collaborate with the Queen' when they left, represent the Commonwealth, and now he wants a reconciliation and his IPP status. The reality is that they are throwing a hissy fit because they can't have royalty and privilege on THEIR terms. So if the institution is rotten from the core, then Harry and Meghan actually want access to that very core, and to benefit from it.
After all, Meghan takes every opportunity to remind us she's a Duchess, and a Sussex, a place I'd suspect she would struggle to identify on a map.

I say this as someone who is as 'woke' as they come, and is not a Royalist, and writes about decolonisation for a living, I agree that the monarchy is an outdated institution, but Harry and Meghan are absolutely and fully complicit with its structures and more over, they want to be more enmeshed within it, rather than less.

Finally, as evidence, let me present what Harry had to say about the awful Ngozi Fulani incident that even Buckingham Palace thought was an act of racism. He defended Susan Hussey, and thought it was the media making a big deal out of nothing: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/harry-meghan-back-royal-aide-28904708
So Ngozi Fulani who had been a vocal supporter of Harry and Meghan, and had taken heat for it, was being told by Harry that it was 'just unconscious bias', and the media making a big deal out of nothing.

And THIS is the problem Harry and Meghan have, a lack of credibility. First they wanted to be half in and half out. Then narrative 2 was that they were on a freedom flight, escaping a racist and toxic nation and its press to grow chickens in California, and now we are back to narrative 1 where he never wanted to leave at all, but was forced to do so because of security...

I don't disagree that the monarchy could do with some reform. But Harry and Meghan don't want to reform the monarchy, they want to be in it wholeheartedly, just on their terms, and enjoy every perk that comes with it.

I do think that H&M were treated unfairly and in a disgusting way by both the RF and Royal establishment as a whole.
What some would call whining and blabbing to the press, I call standing up for yourself and speaking your truths with your chest without hiding behind sources to get your version out( and yes King Charles did slag off his parents in a book, did risk bringing down the monarchy with the Diana debacle, and was found accepting a bag full of cash among other scandals and I could continue for the whole day....).

It all boils down to people being hypocrites and deciding to defend this family( who frankly operates more like a state- funded mafia than as a Royal Family) at all costs while scapegoating Henry.

I used to blame the press for all of this, but at the end of the day no matter what the biased press try to portray, it is very clear that this is a very toxic institution.

All this is coming from a person who used to be pretty favourable to the monarchy - the weddings, the tiaras, the Royal babies, even the scandals( I used to find all of this entertaining). However, what I have been seeing in the last 5-6 years has really opened my eyes to how rotten this institution is from the core.

I believe this sentiment is more widespread than what it seems, and will ultimately translate in the Royals gradually losing respect and relevancy and the Monarchy dying a slow death.

They're Royal. They are not, never have been, never will be, an 'ordinary family'. Kings gave been fighting with their sons ever since someone first grabbed the crown. Historically, many princes feel hard done by and believe their unique talents unrewarded. Kings worry about being usurped by their ungrateful son/s who are never satisfied and always want more than they are given. In short, most of the current lot know what side their bread is buttered and are quiescent. If only Harry had bothered to read a book during his expensive education, instead of hanging about the stables, he might have a better grasp of how things were going to work out for him outside the Golden Circle. He still doesn't get it.

Why is it obtuse? Harry, if anything, by any normal optic (ie not being a member of the Royal Family) is nothing but a family moan about his own family. If anything should be the 'last straw' for the Monarchy, its all the other stuff, not the 5th in line to the Throne moaning about his family. If anything the attention being on him is drawing attention away from the rest of them, which is hugely beneficial to them. Without the press whipping up the 'goodies and baddies' narrative that makes them so much money, they will turn on one of the rest of them, and there aren't many of them left.

I totally agree with you. Harry is delusional. He should have sat tight and he could have had what Zara etc has for his own kids. The Crown and the survival of the Windsors will always be paramount.

You are being obtuse.
All the things you mention are relevant but Harry's behaviour might be the last straw.

Where did I say he would had had the same relationship with Kates family?

YABU

We don’t really know exactly what was said and done on both sides. Sometimes, there really is no point in reconciling as neither party feel they were in the wrong and will continue as they are- this will only lead to more conflict and hurt for one or both sides. Sometimes it is better to recognise that reality rather than trying to pretend everything always work out in the end. Maybe the king has reached that point.

Also, Harry has previously made it clear he wants reconciliation on his terms and on his terms only- including his entire family admitting they were entirely in the wrong, he and Megan were nothing but victims. Which is unlikely to be the case- one side is hardly ever blameless. Under these circumstances, I think I might not chose reconciliation.

Furthermore, how could his father (or any of his family) trust him after everything he wrote in that book and the interviews they have have given. I imagine that they would have concern that anything they say or do may well end up being used for Harry and/or Megan’s own purposes and their own twist put on it. I’m not sure I would want to reconcile with a family member I could not trust.

The reason they skated past mostly unscathed with all of those issue and many others is because of the “never complain, never explain” mantra (and circus for the masses) which a lot of the public bought hook, line and sinker. Harry committed the cardinal sin of (massively) complaining and (over) explaining. Whether you believe him or not , it’s irrelevant. They can’t afford to “forgive” as it might open the flood gates to more of it. Not just that , but Harry is basically demanding explanations as part of the reconciliation. Again, they can’t afford to set precedents with that, because other demands for explanations will definitely follow (like the issues you mentioned). Now , if Charles gave in, it could very well bring down the monarchy eventually, once it’s not protected by that mantra . He knows it too and that it’s not just his reign at stake. So he’s being a good King and protecting the monarchy.

Oh it’s like brookside who cares

So not consorting with sex offenders, putting National Security at risk by befriending spies, charging charities and the NHS for using land, raking in cash and then putting out the begging bowl for repairs of properties, trying to get Covid payments for Buck House, not declaring or paying anywhere near the tax rate they should be getting exemptions from legislation etc etc etc wouldn't bring down the Monarchy but Harry would? If anything he is a human shield for all their other shenanigans. They have the entire establishment covering up for them and allowing them to get away with whatever they want to do, and an army of courtiers all too willing to fall on their swords and admit wrongdoing in order to protect them, yet Harry is going to bring down the Monarchy with his whining? Says it all really!

The whole family /institution/thing is dysfunctional. It will never end well , because neither of them are what the other wants/needs.

Harry had a role to play as the spare and he did it successfully for years . When he stopped, he outlived his usefulness. Not just that, but he started royally (see what I did there?) fucking up and going the complete opposite direction. That is not what Charles/the crown wants or needs, and relationships in that family are most of all about usefulness and optics. Sure, it still goes tits up , but that’s the primary concern. Harry does not fit the mould anymore, he is unpredictable and has lost their trust, so even on a personal(even if extremely superficial)level he can’t really be brought back into the fold.

Harry wants a king to be a bog standard dad. He wants all the benefits of having a king as a dad, but at the same time his dad to put him first, not the crown/firm. That will never happen. So he keeps kicking off pointlessly, with nothing in return , like a toddler(or Meredith Grey). See me! Want me! Choose me!Love me! Pick me!Charles is not and will never be the dad he wants or needs. Mainly, because he can’t have it both ways .

On and on it goes , an incredibly toxic merry go round .

After what he’s already done / written putting his own victim spin on everything they would be mad to talk to him as it will just give him more ammo for the next book / interview .

This is a very good point.

Having said that families are complicated and they need to talk to start rebuilding.

It must be hard to maintain a relationship if you can't talk freely. You can't talk freely if the trust is gone. He can't ever talk to him about anything important because there's a real risk it will get parrotted to the press/ become part of the next book. Obviously important to start rebuilding the relationship but not sure how it gets back to a natural one where he's back in the circle of trust.

How could Harry cause the Monarchy to collapse?

Constitutional monarchy only exists with the consent of the people. If we reject them, they have to go. Scandals are more dangerous for them than for average people. Harry is one scandal after another.

Don’t forget he openly called one soldier friend a p**i and another a raghead - in a video, so there’s no denying he did it. How is that non-racist?

Is William not his family? He slagged him off pretty thoroughly I thought and was critical of Charles

The bottom line is that we don't know for sure what happened, just because Harry says so doesn't make it true! One version I read is that William said he was going to walk and Harry said Well, if he's walking then so am I!

In a way, Harry's nonsense is strengthening the monarchy, no-one wants Harry and his mrs to be able to claim responsibility for causing the collapse of the monarchy. Apart from which, the monarchy is Harry's USP, lose that and he really is nothing.