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To feel if they say no that I may as well bloody well give up on working? And that women are still having to make the compromise?

234 replies

AnwI · 02/05/2025 08:15

I’ve just been offered a great job. I have a DD who is starting school in September. There is an after school class that is until 5pm. However, for me to get there in time to collect her I would need to leave the office at 4pm. I’ve asked the recruiter to ask this and she’s waiting for a reply.

This job comes with a massive pay rise, it’s a good career move and since becoming a single parent when dd was 3 I’ve done everything I can to keep going. Ex does his bit financially but does absolutely nothing in the week…I’ve tried many times to ask him to change work pattern etc but he says he can’t (or won’t).

I am going to feel absolutely deflated and resentful if this company does not agree to this. I know it’s not the company’s job to ensure my dd is looked after etc etc (im familiar with these points!) but the entire office industry is set up for working men who came home to housewives running the home. I am trying my best here and yet I feel it’s all stacked against me…I absolutely hate that I’ve had to even ask it at all as I wish I could just work as late as I wanted in whichever location I wanted.

I am going to be so crushed if they don’t agree to it.

OP posts:
VickyEadieofThigh · 02/05/2025 08:53

Shatandfattered · 02/05/2025 08:18

Could you pay for someone to collect dd and have her till you finish? I realise its another expense but if you are due a pay rise id definitely consider an option like a childminder

This. Consider engaging a childminder or babysitter.

sunshinespringtime · 02/05/2025 08:53

You are avoiding the childminder questions and I totally get it OP - you are fed up and resentful. But that’s not going to help you.

You are right you won’t find a childminder to do an hour. But you will usually be able to find one who can do school pick up and keep her until 6pm.

Yellowdaffodilss · 02/05/2025 08:53

If they don’t then I would see that this company may not be great in the long run.

I worked in so many jobs that weren’t flexible and they weren’t great companies. I know some can’t be - If it’s a role where someone needs to cover you - but if not then I don’t see why they can’t.

Tbrh · 02/05/2025 08:52

I think you're being unfair making it a man and woman thing, if the job doesn't allow for you to leave at 4 that's the job, it's nothing to do with you being a woman

Upinthetreetops · 02/05/2025 08:52

HoskinsChoice · 02/05/2025 08:21

It's not the company's fault! You and the father are responsible for parenting. If we're going to blame someone, it is society's fault in that we still use the woman as the 'go to' for childcare. Couples need to sit down before they have children to agree how they're going to do it. Blaming a company is ridiculous. Get a child minder.

I think the point is that companies can be the leaders of change. The man out working and woman available for childcare model doesn't work in many instances anymore. Adjusting the hours ever so slightly could make a huge difference for a working mother. Won't work in every instance as some jobs will just naturally need certain hours. However plenty have the capacity to change, but just don't because it's male dominated and they don't see the issue. I would put some blame on the companies if it's feasible to change, then why not.

WaneyEdge · 02/05/2025 08:51

frozendaisy · 02/05/2025 08:29

Work is set up for work. It's not set up for housewives, who you have children with is how you end up with the man being inflexible.

Your frustration should be towards him, who I assume wanted to have your daughter at the time.

Your other option is to take him to court and demand 50/50 where he does 50% of all school drop offs and pick ups and half all holidays, and sick days and you do 50% and you can both get jobs that are fewer hours for him more hours for you.

This is how it changes by making the father of your child equally responsible for the child you both decided to create.

And how would that be enforced?

Rewis · 02/05/2025 08:51

crumblingschools · 02/05/2025 08:38

If more dads stepped up, it wouldn’t automatically be assumed by society that women will take the hit.

I've spent the morning in Reddit about reading the struggles of men trying to take their paternity leave, unpaid parental leave and how they have not been entitled to use their extended paternity leave benefits that has been part of the benefits package. Society is still assuming women take the hit, eveb when men want to take responsibility.

OOlivePenderghast · 02/05/2025 08:49

If your nursery is that remote and not before/after school care you should really consider moving her. In my area it’s very difficult to get a nursery place for 1 year olds but there are places for pre-school children at school nurseries.

You need to choose a school and pre-school which will have wraparound care, even if it isn’t the closest. If you have enough money you could consider private school, they usually have better wraparound care and longer hours anyway.

EllieEllie25 · 02/05/2025 08:47

Do you have room for an au pair? That would give you the flexibility you need.

Bushmillsbabe · 02/05/2025 08:45

As others have said, you have an ex problem rather than a work problem. My DH starts later and finishes later and does school drop offs, I start earlier and finish earlier and do pick ups.
However, as you say, you cannot force him to parent.
That's an early finish for an after school club, our (costs extra and run by an external provider in their school) runs 7.45-8.45 and 3.30 to 6. Do any others schools near you have longer hours?

You also need a plan for school holidays?

You have my sympathy, DH and I struggle to make it work with 2 of us, it must be really hard on your own. But that is not your employers problem. If you prove your worth you often get more flexibility, but it's harder to request that before you start.

HomeTheatreSystem · 02/05/2025 08:45

You need to arrange for a childminder to do the pick up. There will be couples who both work long FT hours who have to make this sort of provision for their children. Saying that men have SAHMs to do this for them as a general rule these days is ridiculous. Some do, many don't.

passmeaglass · 02/05/2025 08:44

If i was the recruiting manager I would allow this however I would ask that you had options if there was a meeting at 4pm one day that you were needed to attend on an exceptions basis. That might be a babysitter, another parent, childminder, family etc and I mean something like once a quarter so not frequent.

if they come back with no I would try and get a meeting with the recruiting manager to discuss options. Do you know much about your line manager, their family situation etc? My boss is a middle aged man with kids now at uni but he remembered his wife doing part time when his kids were small for example, when I was discussing my flexible working request with him so he understood why I wanted to do it.

Jellycatspyjamas · 02/05/2025 08:43

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing that would work too, but I dont see any appetite for it.

AdoraBell · 02/05/2025 08:42

I hope they will agree OP

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 02/05/2025 08:42

Jellycatspyjamas · 02/05/2025 08:41

I don’t think it’s fair to say this is some kind of vendetta against women, children have two parents and it’s up to those parents to figure out who can do pick ups and drop offs etc, that’s something you accept when you have a child, it’s not up to an employer to facilitate that.

Children may have two parents but when a relationship breaks down one of those parents (usually the man) can walk away with minimal responsibility for their day to day care. The woman literally left holding the baby has her career choices limited while the ex can do their own thing - and if he refuses to help there’s little power to force him. Employers could do more to support women in the workplace, to the benefit of society as a whole.

Or society could do more to hold men to account for it!

Emanresuunknown · 02/05/2025 08:42

AnwI · 02/05/2025 08:26

@Candleabra its the sort of role youre expected to generally be available all week late into evenings etc which I am happy to do. I’ve said a pay cut for the hour I’m leaving or work through lunch etc but recruiter said just ask for the flexibility to be in place and I can make up the time as I see fit (it’s a senior professional role)

Personally I think you'd have been better off suggesting either an earlier start to cover the time, or reducing to 4 or 4.5 days pay to cover it.

When people suggest they will work 'flexibly' and cover missed hours in the evening they never do, nobody is online to notice they aren't working and no parent of a young kid is sorting the dinner, getting kids to bed then sitting down to work

I hate when people claim to be making up hours in the evening. They rarely are.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 02/05/2025 08:41

If she’s preschool, would you even be able to wfh in a meaningful way in the evenings? After she’s in bed may not work as everyone else will be gone.

I am sympathetic to what you say about how hard it is don’t get me wrong- I’m a single parent who has always worked ft. I think the answer is better childcare options available- like they have in Scandinavian countries!

Jellycatspyjamas · 02/05/2025 08:41

I don’t think it’s fair to say this is some kind of vendetta against women, children have two parents and it’s up to those parents to figure out who can do pick ups and drop offs etc, that’s something you accept when you have a child, it’s not up to an employer to facilitate that.

Children may have two parents but when a relationship breaks down one of those parents (usually the man) can walk away with minimal responsibility for their day to day care. The woman literally left holding the baby has her career choices limited while the ex can do their own thing - and if he refuses to help there’s little power to force him. Employers could do more to support women in the workplace, to the benefit of society as a whole.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 02/05/2025 08:39

I think you do need to look at childcare options like an after school nanny or a childminder who works later. Your dd will be fine, and I don’t think a single dad would hesitate.

I can’t see a senior professional role would accept you leaving at 4 pm everyday. Or certainly not without a 7.30/ 8 am start to make up for it. Working through lunch or being paid a bit less doesn’t usually cut it because presumably they need someone to work for the hours they’ve specified?

An after school nanny might also be available occasionally when she’s unwell?

Dozer · 02/05/2025 08:38

If you have a spare room an au pair could solve this. Otherwise I’d get a childminder or seek a nannyshare.

crumblingschools · 02/05/2025 08:38

If more dads stepped up, it wouldn’t automatically be assumed by society that women will take the hit.

Mrsttcno1 · 02/05/2025 08:38

AnwI · 02/05/2025 08:31

@frozendaisy it could easily be set up around children of school age. It isn’t as it’s generally not a male problem.

Unfortunately courts cannot make someone parent.

This is a load of shit.

Read my other reply, how do you see all businesses being able to set up around school hours? Shops, petrol stations, cafes etc only open between 9 and 4 because outside of that parents can’t work? Your local hospital, would you only have that open between 9 and 4, because lots of those nurses, doctors, consultants, surgeons etc are also parents, so they should be allowed the same flexibility, yes? What about your energy supplier, or your WiFi, you’ll only be able to contact them in school hours because you know, those mums don’t want to pay for childcare either, they deserve the same flexibility that you have?

The bank, that will only be open 9-4 now, childcare!

Work is work. Childcare is a parents responsibility, you have to choose the job to fit your responsibilities.

Ddakji · 02/05/2025 08:37

crumblingschools · 02/05/2025 08:36

Surely some of the blame needs to be directed at the crap fathers who don’t step up.

Also @AnwI are you suggesting that you will then WFH in the evenings once your DD is home. With no other adult in the house the workplace might not like that either.

Any chance of an after school nanny?

I think with school age child this should be fine. Pre-schooler would be a no-no.

Ddakji · 02/05/2025 08:36

I hear you and agree completely. Fingers crossed, @AnwI! Lots of places have core hours of 10-4 so hopefully you’ll get what you need.

Fearfulsaints · 02/05/2025 08:36

HoskinsChoice · 02/05/2025 08:21

It's not the company's fault! You and the father are responsible for parenting. If we're going to blame someone, it is society's fault in that we still use the woman as the 'go to' for childcare. Couples need to sit down before they have children to agree how they're going to do it. Blaming a company is ridiculous. Get a child minder.

Companies are part of society. They are made up of the people who assume women will pick up childcare slack. Although many are working hard with flexible policies now, it's not universal.

I think the idea that you can have a conversation before having children and then many years later, after the relationship has completely broken down, hold the other person to the terms of that conversation, unrealistic.

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