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Katherine Birbalsingh?

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GreatJehosephat · 02/05/2025 07:22

She’s been popping up on tiktok for the last few days, and seems to be very divisive.

She appears to get amazing results, but then people point out she’s misrepresenting the truth as to who goes to her school, that they have far fewer children with SN, and can turn away children if they wish.

In rl she seems to be really polarised as well, so I thought I’d ask here and hope to learn more about her system and whether it’s cherry picked (as suggested) or if she has indeed created an amazing experience for her pupils.

My own opinion, based on the clips I’ve seen, is that the very strict rules would mostly be intolerable to any adult in a workplace and when you look at other academies who install strict rules it seems to impact heavily on the pupil’s mental health.
I believe there’s a place for such schools, and they work very well for some children, but I can think of plenty of children who need a different approach in order to produce a happy, productive population (in a way where people are mentally well enough to find employment - and we seem to be seeing a downturn in this and an upturn in young people being too stressed to do anything!).

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Notgoodatpoetrybutgreatatlit · 03/05/2025 13:41

I'm always amazed that the behaviour is communication people don't get that it works both ways. If you don't punish them they learn it's OK to disrupt the lesson and bully their peers.

Sleepingmole6 · 03/05/2025 13:20

For everyone who wouldn't send their child to her school, I guarantee you would choose it any day over the school I have just left.

The basis of our behaviour policy is 'all behaviour is communication' and that 'the classroom is a safe place'.

Sounds wonderful, right?! The reality is that it was horrible for 99% of students. We had students shouting rubbish out during entire lessons or standing at the door banging it open and closed, knowing that there would be no consequences or that they would get to go and calm down with a member of staff for a game or stickers. SEN students suffered the worse - they became disregulated and had to be taken out by TAs to calm down. The same happened next day, repeated over several classes in the school. Students looked depressed, most told me they hated school and in the end I did too.

ArtTheClown · 03/05/2025 12:49

Parents of SEN kids are likely to avoid the school like the plague

Not all - the discipline and clear rules would suit some children with ASD very well, far better than being in a noisy, disruptive environment.

CruCru · 03/05/2025 10:56

The intake probably is self selecting but that is okay. Parents choose the sort of school that they think will best suit their child. If the Michaela school doesn’t appeal, they won’t put it on their preferences.

RhododendronFlowers · 03/05/2025 09:16

@Notgoodatpoetrybutgreatatlit good points. Also, it's true to say that many parents support firm boundaries and good discipline until it applies to their own child, then they complain and make excuses. We've seen many such threads on here.

Notgoodatpoetrybutgreatatlit · 03/05/2025 09:14

@GreatJehosephat
I can have a go at answering your question about "feral schools", which I assume posters are using to describe schools in which the discipline and behaviour systems are not applied or don't function.
To turn them around schools introduce rules, just normal sensible rules and enforce them. This tends to lead to criticism from people who aren't in the school, journalists, parents, random Internet users, that the school has draconian rules and is destroying the mental health of the students.
However my present school went from the former to the latter, when we had ofsted the inspectors noted the many students who told them that the school used to be dangerous and they couldn't learn and was now safe and they were doing well in their learning. Our exam results are continously improving which we are ruthlessly judged on. So yeah enforce rules including around uniform and manners it all works.
Ms Birbalsingh isn't doing anything particularly different but she is doing it very well judging by her exam results.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 03/05/2025 09:12

I think she seems awful. I've been a teacher for a very long time and am well aware that the behaviour in schools needs sorting out, but although there is no doubt she gets results, I don't think her methods can or should realistically be applied to schools in general.

No, she can't select her intake as such, but it is effectively self-selecting, because of the type of people who will choose a school that extreme in its policies. Any school which requires a level of hoop-jumping or serious parental buy-in is going to be more able to carry out its aims. Parents of SEN kids are likely to avoid the school like the plague, as are parents who would be unlikely to comply with school policies (or have children they know would be unable to cope with them).

Agapornis · 03/05/2025 09:06

I've seen kids (14-15) from this school on a school trip. They looked happy, excited, well behaved, engage with the educational content, respect the teacher and seemed to have a friendly relationship with them. They chat during lunch until they're told it's time to do something else. There are far, far worse schools/children to have on a school trip. In fact, those children probably aren't even allowed on a school trip.

ArtTheClown · 03/05/2025 09:06

Not really. She's just scaring away all the Send pupils so they go elsewhere and it looks like she's done all the hard work. She's cherry picking pupils by the back door.

This, to me, argues for the urgent need for more specialist schools for SEN pupils.
That being said, as someone with ASD, I thrived in a school with similar discipline and structure - in fact even stricter - so it will suit some.

AquaPeer · 03/05/2025 09:03

user1471516498 · 03/05/2025 09:01

The comment about middle class kids was merely because I was paraphrasing the comment that I was replying to. My point was that children who are capable of 12 grade 9s would be limited by a narrower curriculum.

But they could be poor kids too, right?

we all know that, presumably?

user1471516498 · 03/05/2025 09:01

AquaPeer · 02/05/2025 15:54

“I agree that the group that would be limited by the Michaela approach would be the very bright middle class kids, who are capable of getting twelve 9's at GCSE, and who would be held hack by not being able to do triple science and then Computer Science or Philosophy at A Level.”

can you explain what this means? It sounds like you’re saying middle class kids are capable of more and therefore need more choice

The comment about middle class kids was merely because I was paraphrasing the comment that I was replying to. My point was that children who are capable of 12 grade 9s would be limited by a narrower curriculum.

RhododendronFlowers · 03/05/2025 08:57

User46576 · 03/05/2025 08:42

The point of education isn’t just teachers career progression tho

Indeed. Plus delivering specific content isn't "de skilling" because the teacher still has to communicate, supervise activities, give feedback and is accountable for progression.

RhododendronFlowers · 03/05/2025 08:55

LobeliaBaggins · 02/05/2025 08:13

I would have no issues sending my kids there. I don't agree with her on many things, but I suspect we would agree on most things. I like discipline, good results and emphasis on education and respecting teachers.

Absolutely. Too strict for adults in the workplace? They're teenagers in school and need firm boundaries. Some pupils have their learning constantly disrupted by bad behaviour and I don't know why that's acceptable to anyone.

TheGrimSmile · 03/05/2025 08:55

AnneLovesGilbert · 02/05/2025 08:19

Feral schools are also a huge problem, but no one seems to know how to even start tackling them.

But she does, that’s the point.

Not really. She's just scaring away all the Send pupils so they go elsewhere and it looks like she's done all the hard work. She's cherry picking pupils by the back door.

OddBoots · 03/05/2025 08:52

My children are adults now but both neurodiverse, they would have got on really well in a school like that. No overwhelming noise in between classes, people arriving on time so the teacher didn't have to deal with late-comers, knowing exactly what is expected of them and the other students rather than being confused (and in some cases distressed) when the rules were bent and expectations were no longer clear.

There is room for more than one type of school, this may not work for everyone but the parents and children there are lucky this is an option for them.

User46576 · 03/05/2025 08:42

flossydog · 02/05/2025 18:42

Her school uses fully scripted lessons, in a practise called direct instruction. Reading about it, it seems like it would feel deskilling for the teacher, as they're following someone else's script for the lesson.

The point of education isn’t just teachers career progression tho

EuclidianGeometryFan · 03/05/2025 08:38

mugglewump · 02/05/2025 17:37

I wouldn't send my own children to her school if we lived next door. I think her ethos is unnecessarily strict and she gets these results by excluding anyone not towing the line - or putting people off from applying in the first place.

I've heard her speak about the strict adherence to uniform and say it is a necessity to delivering a good education - but most European countries don't even have school uniform and they all do OK. Focusing on periphery detracts from learning and anxiety and unhappiness have a negative affect on a student's ability to concentrate. Children are children and deserve to be able to enjoy school and come out as well rounded individuals.

I do agree that the emphasis on uniform is unnecessary.
Schools should have a simple uniform with a wide variety of styles accepted (e.g. any type of collar on a white shirt, any navy cardigan, jumper or sweatshirt, any black shoes or trainers, etc.), cheaply available from lot of suppliers and supermarkets.
Anything else is discriminatory.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 03/05/2025 08:32

flossydog · 02/05/2025 18:42

Her school uses fully scripted lessons, in a practise called direct instruction. Reading about it, it seems like it would feel deskilling for the teacher, as they're following someone else's script for the lesson.

Very good question.
It would deskill the teacher's ability to create their own schemes of work and lesson plans - but that is the most boring and easiest part of the job. Most schools have departmental schemes of work, and/or teachers pull ready-made schemes and lesson plans off the internet.

But as every military strategist knows, the plan never survives first contact with the enemy (tongue in cheek likening the children to "enemy").
i.e. the lesson plan gets adapted on the fly depending on how the children react and what gaps in knowledge are discovered and have to be plugged as you go.

The real skill in teaching is in the face-to-face teaching, not the planning.

If the teacher is literally following a script, that is not good teaching. However, I can see it would be useful to do this for a while as training for a teacher who is not familiar with content-heavy teaching: most teachers are not because most universities and teacher training courses follow the "skills" ideology.
Teachers nowadays are taught how to organise group work and have the children 'solve problems', how to make lessons more fun with lots of quizzes and games, how to 'compare sources' in history or 'discover' answers for themselves in science. This is all largely a waste of precious classroom time that is better spent actually teaching children content.
Plus you have the problem of teachers who don't actually know a lot of stuff - they need the script because they can't teach what they don't know.

Papyrophile · 02/05/2025 21:00

So, you don't like anything about her @sprigatito ; that's clear. But according to all the ordinary measures that most people use to gauge success and results, MIchaela scores very highly across the whole range, I don't pretend to understand what you think is important, but I think you are over-egging your reply.

KTheGrey · 02/05/2025 19:32

sprigatito · 02/05/2025 19:23

She’s a malignant narcissist who comes across extremely badly every time she’s interviewed by someone who doesn’t blow smoke up her ass. Her school is an abusive high-control environment that does nothing to prepare young people for the realities of everyday life (unless they aspire to a career as a Supermax inmate). Her feted “excellent results” come at the price of SEN students and those with mental health difficulties/troubled home lives/neurodiversity who are chewed up and spat out like rubbish. I would rather send my children to Dotheboys Hall than subject them to an “education” in this woman’s sick mind palace.

Citation?

sprigatito · 02/05/2025 19:23

She’s a malignant narcissist who comes across extremely badly every time she’s interviewed by someone who doesn’t blow smoke up her ass. Her school is an abusive high-control environment that does nothing to prepare young people for the realities of everyday life (unless they aspire to a career as a Supermax inmate). Her feted “excellent results” come at the price of SEN students and those with mental health difficulties/troubled home lives/neurodiversity who are chewed up and spat out like rubbish. I would rather send my children to Dotheboys Hall than subject them to an “education” in this woman’s sick mind palace.

Seymour5 · 02/05/2025 19:17

The Michaela 6th form sounds excellent too.

cramptramp · 02/05/2025 18:45

She can’t turn pupils away. I really like her. I’d be very happy if my children had been given a place at her school.

flossydog · 02/05/2025 18:42

TooManyCupsAndMugs · 02/05/2025 09:20

I'm a teacher and it would be an absolute dream to teach in a school where there are no behaviour issues, the students all want to learn and you can crack on and impart your specialist knowledge as you are paid to do. There are some things I wouldn't like about her school (silent corridors sound weird) but there is plenty to like.

All parents claim to want this type of school - where there is no disruption to learning. Yet when people try to create this type of school, starting with enforcing the small things like uniform or equipment, the parents kick off. Every September without fail, there are stories in the press about how little Johnny has been sent home for wearing the wrong shoes, how is that anything to do with their learning etc etc. I always say what is the news story in "school enforces its own rules"? And if they don't, what is the point of having them?

Her school uses fully scripted lessons, in a practise called direct instruction. Reading about it, it seems like it would feel deskilling for the teacher, as they're following someone else's script for the lesson.

LobeliaBaggins · 02/05/2025 17:55

I guess it's good we all have a choice.
I love uniform myself. Didnt make my DC anxious. In fact, the opposite as they could focus on learning.