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Stepdaughter and Daughter's Wedding

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WickedMotherofthebride · 29/04/2025 14:00

Decided to become a member as it seems to be Stepchildren and wedding season on Mumsnet and sobbing uncontrollably to my sister isn't giving me the unbiased opinions I am after.
For the first time in our 22 year marriage my husband's ex invited him to dinner. We were very curious thinking she must be ill or something. I admit after a couple of hours I used my iphone to track him and he was at Charing Cross, then an hour later in the pub around the corner from us, he rarely drinks but came home the worse for wear and completely ashen.
Essentially if he goes ahead to walk my daughter down the aisle he can say goodbye to a relationship with his own daughter who is apparently devastated by this. Something that has been confirmed by his son.
I am one of those women who let a loser impregnate her, I thought the odd splif wasn't a big deal but he turned into an absolute stonehead who was in and out of my daughter's life until she was 8 when I married my husband. I don't know if her father's absence and my getting married was a coincidence but I think it was.
My husband is to all intents and purposes her dad.
At 15 a strange man arrived at the door wanting me to talk to him without my daughter present., obviously I wouldn't but my husband went out. It was the husband of my daughter's aunt to tell us that her dad had died.
She was given the chance to have a relationship with her family but chose not to saying that my husband was her dad.
Stepdaughter has a long term partner but there are no wedding bells.
My husband is adamant now that he can't give my daughter away something that I will not forgive him for. In fact I will divorce him if he doesn't.
The wedding is in 18 weeks.

OP posts:
OoLaOoLa · 30/04/2025 20:43

His daughter is being ridiculous, yes she can be angry that her parents got divorced, She can also be upset that her dad is going to walk her step sister down the aisle.
To chuck a huge ultimatum in to not only her dads life but also her step sisters life weeks before a wedding is just nasty.
Surely she’s had her entire adult life and probably years of an engagement and wedding planning to voice her feelings.. Why wait until now.
People are saying op is in the wrong for threatening to leave her husband over this are missing the point.
She is going to have to explain to her daughter that her step dad will not call his daughters bluff and her wedding day will not be the day she had planned.
Where does it end.. I don’t want my daddy around someone else’s children, my children should be the first grandchildren so if she gets pregnant first I want you to pretend they don’t exist .. Ignore the step side until I say so or I’ll never talk to you again!
I don’t blame you for considering walking away op, they sound like a lot of work and heartache. BTec Betty indeed! I’d be fuming.

fromthegecko · 30/04/2025 20:37

I'm not sure there's any way to know whether it matters to her deeply or is a big deal. She might just want to do the bride a malicious turn. (We can be certain, I think, that she dislikes her.)

InterIgnis · 30/04/2025 20:23

Whatsgoingonherethenagain · 30/04/2025 19:20

How is he not putting her first? It doesn’t affect her in the slightest, he can still walk her down the aisle, be at her wedding- it’s not stopping him.

i have DD’s. If one said dh couldn’t walk the other down the aisle because they felt sidelined or second class I’d think they’d gone mad. Same as if they said he couldn’t walk their step sister down the aisle, of course he can.

Of course it affects her. She’s made it clear that it matters to her deeply. Thinking it shouldn’t be a big deal doesn’t mean it isn’t one for her.

He can walk his stepdaughter down the aisle if he’s prepared to lose his relationship with his daughter. He isn’t.

FaithTheVampyrSlayer · 30/04/2025 19:37

WickedMotherofthebride · 30/04/2025 10:06

Once my father-in-law asked my daughter about her A Levels, she explained she was only doing one and then explained about her course. Husband’s nephew had a flash of recognition and called her Btec Betty BiL and SiL looked horrified and exactly a decade later admitted that is what my stepchildren had called her at the time.

Well now we know that it's just because they're not very nice people then. They sound like nasty, jealous, entitled little shits!

Whatsgoingonherethenagain · 30/04/2025 19:20

nomoretreats · 30/04/2025 18:35

Or maybe for once his daughter wants him to put her first instead of his step daughter?

Given OP updates it’s not difficult to understand how difficult it must have been for the children. Adding OP lashing out that she’d divorce her husband if he agreed to his daughter’s request makes me wonder what her behaviour was like when the children were younger.

Not so easy to get over childhood trauma. Regardless what age you get to.

How is he not putting her first? It doesn’t affect her in the slightest, he can still walk her down the aisle, be at her wedding- it’s not stopping him.

i have DD’s. If one said dh couldn’t walk the other down the aisle because they felt sidelined or second class I’d think they’d gone mad. Same as if they said he couldn’t walk their step sister down the aisle, of course he can.

MrsPeterHarris · 30/04/2025 18:41

Lotsofthings · 30/04/2025 10:54

This all seems like a wedding nightmare. I assume they aren’t coming to the wedding.
I think the way to move forward and compromise, is to say the Husband isn’t now walking your daughter down the aisle. This doesn’t mean he can’t travel in the car with her, pose for photos and walk her into the church/venue. She could then walk with you or herself. Also I would not let the Husband discuss anything else, with his own daughter. Better to ask forgiveness than permission. Do not discuss speeches/toasts etc in case she bans these. If it helps stop telling him stuff so he can say he doesn’t know.

This is probably the best way forward! Such a sad situation for all on what should be an amazingly happy occasion. I can see all sides, which makes it even sorrier!

nomoretreats · 30/04/2025 18:35

Finallydoingit24 · 30/04/2025 12:23

And people don’t snap out of childhood hurt because they are X age.

Most people come to terms with their hurt by the time they’re in their mid 30s. Either they adjust the relationship accordingly and reduce or cut contact or keep the parent at arms length if the hurt is too much to get over. Or they draw a line under it and have a civil relationship. It’s not normal for a woman in her 30s to issue childish ultimatums that you will stop speaking to your father if he does something nice for his stepdaughter. I could understand it from a 14 year old but not a 33 year old. She knows it will upset her stepsister.
and inevitably if he gives in to this one, there will be more. She will be devastated about all sorts of other things and then maybe in the end, the only option is for him to cut contact with his DSD if he wants to continue seeing his daughter. Maybe some people on here see that as a “win” but I think it’s very sad that someone would be that vindictive.

Or maybe for once his daughter wants him to put her first instead of his step daughter?

Given OP updates it’s not difficult to understand how difficult it must have been for the children. Adding OP lashing out that she’d divorce her husband if he agreed to his daughter’s request makes me wonder what her behaviour was like when the children were younger.

Not so easy to get over childhood trauma. Regardless what age you get to.

IndigoViolent · 30/04/2025 18:28

Icannaeeven · 30/04/2025 17:02

Imagine the total confusion and furious backpedaling if one day a DNA text proved that SD wasn't, in fact, DH's biological daughter. All of the apologist arguments would fall apart and she'd just be a whiner in the blink of an eye.

I wonder what happens in families where 23andme has revealed that secret? Adult children everywhere being held to account. Unthinkable.

Reach any further and you’ll topple over.

UndermyShoeJoe · 30/04/2025 18:19

Finallydoingit24 · 30/04/2025 18:13

In the real world most people aren’t automatically miserable through having a blended family. I teach uni aged students, loads have blended families. I teach a module where they specifically have to talk about how they view their family and the vast majority speak very highly of stepparents and step siblings and very common for them to say they don’t care/dont see the lack of biological link. But on Mumsnet having a stepfamily is akin to child abuse and the worst and most selfish thing you could subject a child to. You must stay single until they have left home because they will despise their life otherwise.

I’m curious here just pondering the ratio of students at uni in step families vs nuclear. Also was the step a mum or dad.

Finallydoingit24 · 30/04/2025 18:13

CopperWhite · 30/04/2025 16:53

It shouldn’t come at the expense of the children’s happiness and feelings of security, but most of the time it does. Selfish parent justify making their kids miserable because they ‘deserve happiness’ and ‘are allowed to move on’. It’s a form of emotional abuse and clearly from this thread it damages relationships and leaves lasting negative feelings well into adulthood.

In the real world most people aren’t automatically miserable through having a blended family. I teach uni aged students, loads have blended families. I teach a module where they specifically have to talk about how they view their family and the vast majority speak very highly of stepparents and step siblings and very common for them to say they don’t care/dont see the lack of biological link. But on Mumsnet having a stepfamily is akin to child abuse and the worst and most selfish thing you could subject a child to. You must stay single until they have left home because they will despise their life otherwise.

Finallydoingit24 · 30/04/2025 18:08

Scentbird · 30/04/2025 17:25

I mean I am confused. You say you would be disgusted if it was your dad but then admit you were lucky and you know not all families are like that.

I agree it’s probably not the way to find peace. However, The Op is talking about divorce. I am going to guess it’s not the first time. It seems extreme ultimatums are the norm in that family. Peace may not be an option.

Ops posts are extremely biased as well. Maybe it’s not about finding peace. Not everything is about finding peace.

She said she’d be disgusted if he didnt walk her stepsister down the aisle given that he helped raise her.

lovemetomybones · 30/04/2025 17:43

@InterIgnisreally insightful comment and why blended families are such an incredibly difficult family type to navigate well. But I think the centre of this issue is DH, without him guiding, building relationships, making decisions which benefit everyone success rate is just not possible.

my husband is slowly realising this, that making decisions without discussion, by not nurturing his relationships with individuals in the family the house of cards falls. It’s such a delicate balance and if not everyone is considered or challenged it’s not going to work.

UndermyShoeJoe · 30/04/2025 17:25

Icannaeeven · 30/04/2025 17:02

Imagine the total confusion and furious backpedaling if one day a DNA text proved that SD wasn't, in fact, DH's biological daughter. All of the apologist arguments would fall apart and she'd just be a whiner in the blink of an eye.

I wonder what happens in families where 23andme has revealed that secret? Adult children everywhere being held to account. Unthinkable.

Probably more adult children and fathers devastated that they were lied too rather than suddenly going well you had no right to expect dna type family privileges all those years.

Weird argument tbh though would once again prove that dna matters more than just being there when children are dropped after being raised for years then found to be another mans.

Kinda going against the whole step dad is her dad. Really a lot of the time men are worried about the child of the person they get to have sex with and keeping her in the good books so the bed open.

Scentbird · 30/04/2025 17:25

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I mean I am confused. You say you would be disgusted if it was your dad but then admit you were lucky and you know not all families are like that.

I agree it’s probably not the way to find peace. However, The Op is talking about divorce. I am going to guess it’s not the first time. It seems extreme ultimatums are the norm in that family. Peace may not be an option.

Ops posts are extremely biased as well. Maybe it’s not about finding peace. Not everything is about finding peace.

Icannaeeven · 30/04/2025 17:02

Imagine the total confusion and furious backpedaling if one day a DNA text proved that SD wasn't, in fact, DH's biological daughter. All of the apologist arguments would fall apart and she'd just be a whiner in the blink of an eye.

I wonder what happens in families where 23andme has revealed that secret? Adult children everywhere being held to account. Unthinkable.

CopperWhite · 30/04/2025 16:53

NattyTurtle59 · 29/04/2025 22:54

MN is the only place where I have ever heard of anyone never getting into another relationship until their children are adults. Parents are actually allowed to have some happiness of their own, unrelated to their children.

It shouldn’t come at the expense of the children’s happiness and feelings of security, but most of the time it does. Selfish parent justify making their kids miserable because they ‘deserve happiness’ and ‘are allowed to move on’. It’s a form of emotional abuse and clearly from this thread it damages relationships and leaves lasting negative feelings well into adulthood.

InterIgnis · 30/04/2025 16:22

fromthegecko · 30/04/2025 16:10

There's no dilemma then. OP and DD have nothing to reproach themselves with, and absolutely no control over the situation, so they'll just have to suck it up. I wouldn't return hostilities, either. It's much more satisfying to be super nice to people who go out of their way to spite you: it's really annoying for them.

I don’t think they’ve gone out of their way to spite her tbf. They have their feelings and they’ve expressed them - they clearly don’t like her, but if they wanted to directly go at her and OP they would have done. Instead they’ve gone to the person they’ve got the issue with. This is about them and their relationship with their father.

But yes, pretty much. Obviously it’s up to OP and depends on what she wants as an outcome, but if she wants minimal drama and to not risk her marriage then sucking it up and accepting it for what it is, is probably the best course of action. They aren’t going to change, and this will never be a close blended family.

fromthegecko · 30/04/2025 16:10

There's no dilemma then. OP and DD have nothing to reproach themselves with, and absolutely no control over the situation, so they'll just have to suck it up. I wouldn't return hostilities, either. It's much more satisfying to be super nice to people who go out of their way to spite you: it's really annoying for them.

InterIgnis · 30/04/2025 16:08

fromthegecko · 30/04/2025 15:59

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nocoolnamesleft · 30/04/2025 16:02

WickedMotherofthebride · 30/04/2025 09:48

The very prosaic reason I didn’t return to the thread was I created an account on my work phone, using a suggested password which I couldn’t remember. I left my work phone charging on my desk. I was not the other woman, my stepchildren’s mother was already married with two children (she went on to have a third and is now widowed). The stepchildren were 10/11 and 13 when we married three years after we met.
We moved to a part of London to be near them in a neighbouring county. My husband maintained a close relationship with them. He would drive over two or three times a week to take them to eat and collect them from various things. They were always very polite and kind to my own daughter. While we all went on holiday they weren’t interested in staying over although my stepdaughter did more than my stepson.
They also went away on their own and my in-laws were only interested in seeing them on their own.
when my daughter was 16 she left school and went to an FE college and came back telling me she had used my surname i.e. my married name. This was not official but a year later my stepson saw a record book on the table. He asked my husband to step out to his car and he objected to my daughter using their name. He clearly told his grandfather who also objected. However, my daughter grew out of this phase which lasted for about 18 months.
My daughter does not know any of this. I don’t want to get into the political correctness of giving away, walking down the aisle but I am initially going to ask her if I can do it.
It is very interesting that so many posters say he has to talk to his daughter. He actually refuses to do this. He is fairly jumbled about what happened with his ex but I get the impression none of them actually knew he was going to give her away before this meeting. I believe what the ex says and it’s been confirmed by his son.
My stepdaughter is 33, she and her partner are still training and busy and I don’t think there is any jealousy about going to the alter.

So he was an utterly crap dad to his biological children, whilst playing happy families with his new wife and her child. Why am I not surprised. Dinner out a couple of times a week isn't parenting. Favourite uncleing maybe, but not parenting. Sounds like his children played second fiddle for much of their childhoods, and this is just the final straw.

fromthegecko · 30/04/2025 15:59

InterIgnis · 30/04/2025 15:57

Sure, it’s all just speculation.

It's the Mumsnet way! 😉

InterIgnis · 30/04/2025 15:57

fromthegecko · 30/04/2025 15:56

She doesn't have to be 'his' to be walked down the aisle by him. Maybe he's ashen-faced because he's fond enough of her to be upset at her being crushed like this: it doesn't have to have deep significance.

Sure, it’s all just speculation.

the7Vabo · 30/04/2025 15:57

fromthegecko · 30/04/2025 15:48

I think the 'Btec Betty' anecdote makes it much clearer why DH has immediately rolled over . The stepsiblings specifically want to hurt DD, not him, so won't change their minds. I wonder if there have been other bullying incidents that OP is unaware of.

They said it when they were teenagers behind her back.
It’s not nice but in order to bully her they’d have to had said it to her face. Whereas the OP said in person they were kind & polite.

It does suggest they resent her though.

fromthegecko · 30/04/2025 15:56

She doesn't have to be 'his' to be walked down the aisle by him. Maybe he's ashen-faced because he's fond enough of her to be upset at her being crushed like this: it doesn't have to have deep significance.

InterIgnis · 30/04/2025 15:50

lovemetomybones · 30/04/2025 15:23

@the7Vabohe took his ex wife’s ultimatum at face value without discussing it with his wife, his daughter or his step daughter. Later on op discusses where her daughter wanted his surname which again was vetoed by his children with no discussion with the people it impacted. By giving in without discussion is the definition of appeasement. And it ruins families, creates huge divides and makes blended families impossible.

Or collusion.

There’s a whole lot of history here that OP has barely scratched the surface of. I would imagine he didn’t take what his ex and son said at face value at all, but understood it within the wider, dysfunctional, context.

If it was important to him that his stepdaughter was considered his, and if he actually did consider her his, he could have stepped in at any point regarding the name, and the state of the relationships between her and his children, parents, and siblings. He chose not to. It’s easy, and arguably more complimentary to him, to put this down as him being weak and ultimately a victim of his children, but it could also be the case that actually, he has no problem with their attitude towards her, has no desire to stand up for her, and has never considered it something he’s needed to confront. He may be happy to play dad for the benefit of his relationship with OP, but that doesn’t mean he truly feels that way towards her. That she used and then dropped his name makes me think that she may not feel as secure in their relationship as OP thinks she does (which is why having those symbolic moments may be important to her, as a form of ‘proof’ that she is a daughter to him).

He may have went home ashen faced because he’s now found himself in a situation where he can’t be passive and dodge any accountability any more. He has to stand on his position and deal with the consequences for his home life. He has stood on his position - but it’s not a position shared with his wife and stepchild.

This family was divided since its inception.