To shriek from the rooftops that there is No Such Thing as “preferred pronouns”?

Same here. That's lying. Lying is bad for your sense of integrity . It could affect someone's mental health being made to lie. That's why this demand for pronouns is unfair. It could affect the person being made to use the pronoun negatively whilst the one demanding the pronoun being used goes on their merry way.

Why do we women have to set ourselves alight to keep transwomen warm? I just think people should have the freedom to use or not use preferred pronouns.

Live and let live. Nobody ever spontaneously combusted from not being called their preferred pronoun. It's hardly life and death.

It seems this is still very pertinent, as well as a good read:
"Pronouns are rohypnol"
fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

But that was connected though - it is where it started. don’t be mean on social media which was then used to silence anyone who disagreed as being unkind

It’s not about what they call themselves, it’s the fact that they’re expecting others to use them. I won’t call a man she.

Ok.

This isn't the only time it's used. The whole be kind campaign started on social media after Caroline Flack killed herself because of internet bullies.

"Such a shame that there are still plenty of women who would be happy with a female victim of rape being forced to use the “preferred pronouns” of her rapist in court, and deny that that is abusive"

It's a real shame you made a different argument to the one you wanted to make in your OP.

This has aged badly in hindsight

" I would think they were quite stupid or didn’t know English very well."

i have an issue with this ‘be kind’ mantra. We Never ever use it in any other situation do we?

do you give away all your income to the less fortunate to ‘be kind’?

do you always give up your seat on public transport to ‘be kind’?

it really grates on me that it is only used in this one specific situation in order to make people do something they feel uncomfortable doing.

Because pronouns aren't used by an individual, but someone talking about them; it literally involves you telling me his to falk about you,regardless of my thoughts,feelings,or perceptions.

Happy for people to tell me what they want me to call them. Esp if it ain't obvious.
Absolute hard no at being asked to put mine on anything. More so in a professional setting.
Used the hard no at my current employer. The never mentioned it again.

I've never heard someone calling someone a man to their face when they're clearly female, even with incredibly poor language skills. I'm sure it could've happened.
But the fact remains that it does exist as a concept, if it didn't then bio men would be fine with being branded female and bio women would be cool with being referred to as a bloke.

I don't think I could call a transwoman she/her, I think I would compromise and use they/them. Or perhaps I would use their name. That way everybody wins. Nobody is offended or hurt.

Why can’t we just use their name. It would save stop all this confusion.
why does it have to be a pronoun.

But James wouldn't insist to Brenda that he was now to be called Brenda. Binmen wouldn't demand we call them nurses, and white people cannot decide they prefer to be called black. I think the frustration arises less from people's desire to be referred to in a certain way, and more from the fact that their preferred way may be one that is already in use by a different group. That and the pressure to participate on people who feel no need to state their pronouns, because they can be reasonably certain people would choose accurately if left to decide for themselves, and wouldn't feel it was that big a deal if someone did get it wrong.

This is hilarious.

Talk about sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting LA LA LA!

Good lord, not what anyone is saying, seriously, stop twisting everything to suit your own narrative. Over and out here too. You keep shrieking from the rooftops, OP.

You're not wrong but I think that ship has sailed, it's so embedded in some people's psyche.

Ignore the best you can and don't engage.

Shriek from the rooftops? On ye go then…

Groomed?!?! What on earth are you talking about?!

Transmen haven't been shouting at children. Even the extreme trans lobby haven't been shouting at children. Stop being aggressive and goady.

And of course there's "both sides". I am GC and think sex is immutable. I'm glad that it has been confirmed in law. I think it is incredibly important for women to be able to access spaces and services free of men.

Likewise, I think we need to look at creating services and spaces transmen and transwomen can access. We need to create a society that is tolerant and understanding of difference. We need to be respectful and kind to people we share space with. We need to talk to people in a way that makes them feel heard, safe and understood.

Neither of those positions contradict one another. It really isn't that hard.

So much shrieking, I don't know how you ever get anything done @Ddakji

My primary-school children would be fine to grasp the concept of using someone's requested pronouns so I'm not sure why it requires such cognitive gymnastics from you