Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not be happy that my new work lanyard has “she/her” on it without me asking?

264 replies

TheNavyAnt · 29/04/2025 09:03

I’ve just started a new job and noticed that my staff lanyard/pass automatically has my name and “she/her” printed underneath it. Nobody asked if I wanted pronouns added - it was just assumed and put there by default.

I don’t have anything against people sharing pronouns if they want to, but personally, I wouldn’t have chosen to have it printed on my pass. It feels a bit forced, like I’m being made to take part in something I didn’t ask for and I’m not sure why it needs to be there at all unless I choose it.

AIBU to feel slightly uncomfortable about this? Or should I just let it go as one of those “modern workplace” things?

OP posts:
Crikeyalmighty · 29/04/2025 13:08

yep it’s nuts and I say this as a centre left and pretty liberal minded person - I personally think if you go too far catering for every gender obsession you end up with far too many thinking people like Trump and Farage are talking sense - even a stopped clock is right twice a day even if the rest of what they say is populist bullshit. If a person is called Sarah - then regardless of whether they are born Sarah or Simon then we can safely presume they wish to be known as a she/her regardless of whether they were born that way -

Stuck84 · 29/04/2025 13:08

Ladybuglamp · 29/04/2025 09:51

Are you a she/her? If so, I don’t understand what the issue is?
It’s helpful for colleagues to know how you like to be referred to. No different from having your name printed on the badge.
I’m sure HR will remove it if you’re genuinely that bothered about people thinking you’re a woman.
I find it really helpful at work (There is a trans woman at my work and not to sound mean, but I would have just assumed she was a he/him if she didn’t have her pronouns in email sig - and I could have ended up really hurting her feelings)

I personally am quite happy to call anyone by their preferred pronouns as I really don't see it as impinging on me in any way. But I would still challenge this as it should be personal choice- people may be 'gender fluid' or may be questioning their gender and may not know how to identify. Or they may not be open about their gender identity in a work setting because they're concerned how people might react. Never mind that it shouldn't be assumed on your behalf. So I would go back and say it should be personal preference.

LittleBitofBread · 29/04/2025 13:06

EBearhug · 29/04/2025 13:03

If they're choosing that, it needs clarification- do they mean she when it's the subject, they when it's object (in which case, why not them?) or you can happily switch between she and they, which rather negates the whole linguistic purpose of pronouns, or should you choose one and stick with it?

Though if you choose something like zie, you probably do need to give the entire declension, because you won't have learnt it, whether it's your first language or as a foreign language.

I did have American colleagues who put "she/her/ella" and I was tempted to put my pronouns in a whole range of different languages.

do they mean she when it's the subject, they when it's object (in which case, why not them?) or you can happily switch between she and they, which rather negates the whole linguistic purpose of pronouns, or should you choose one and stick with it?
I mean, fuck knows, and also imagine the arrogance needed to ask people to wonder about all that shite?

JumpingPumpkin · 29/04/2025 13:06

ilovesooty · 29/04/2025 09:24

If everyone else has them and it's company policy I don't see what the big deal is. I certainly wouldn't be making waves in a new job. They should have confirmed them with you though not made assumptions.

It insulting to people who prefer people to use pronouns normally (based on perception) like me who actively don’t want anyone to think I have chosen “she/her”, I simply am female so she and her are appropriate without my choice.

It’s equally as insulting to the pronoun people who want to actively express a preference. It’s ridiculous, but say you did prefer “they”, how awkward that HR didn’t check first but just assumed.

EBearhug · 29/04/2025 13:03

LittleBitofBread · 29/04/2025 12:30

Some people do have bollocks like 'she'/'they' 🙄

If they're choosing that, it needs clarification- do they mean she when it's the subject, they when it's object (in which case, why not them?) or you can happily switch between she and they, which rather negates the whole linguistic purpose of pronouns, or should you choose one and stick with it?

Though if you choose something like zie, you probably do need to give the entire declension, because you won't have learnt it, whether it's your first language or as a foreign language.

I did have American colleagues who put "she/her/ella" and I was tempted to put my pronouns in a whole range of different languages.

Derbee · 29/04/2025 13:03

I wonder how safe you are to complain, in a new job?

I’d be annoyed, and prefer not to wear it. I ignore all of this pronoun nonsense. I only use they/them for referring to multiple people, not an individual.

Throckmorton · 29/04/2025 13:02

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/04/2025 13:01

Throckmorton
It beggars belief that people feel they need to know the sex of their colleagues in order to work with them.

It beggars belief even more that there are people in newsgroups who, if it is not immediately obvious which sex someone is, nidget and pry and go on at them about their sex, and imply that they are unreasonable for not stating it. I watched one such little git doing this on a list I am on, when it is absolutely none of her (she is clear about that) business and the person she was having a go at has said more than once that they don't wish to state their sex.

Urg! People can be AWFUL!

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/04/2025 13:01

Throckmorton
It beggars belief that people feel they need to know the sex of their colleagues in order to work with them.

It beggars belief even more that there are people in newsgroups who, if it is not immediately obvious which sex someone is, nidget and pry and go on at them about their sex, and imply that they are unreasonable for not stating it. I watched one such little git doing this on a list I am on, when it is absolutely none of her (she is clear about that) business and the person she was having a go at has said more than once that they don't wish to state their sex.

Throckmorton · 29/04/2025 13:01

Cassoppy · 29/04/2025 12:03

I like pronouns, when included discretely, on an email signature as, like a previous poster said, when you have emails from many other countries it can help to build a picture of the sender more quickly and support the language used when referring to them.

However they seem entirely redundant on a pass and UANBU to complain that they both made an unprofessional assumption and decided it was appropriate to publicise it without your consent.

I think it would be perfectly reasonable to go back, point this out, and ask for a corrected pass.

"it can help to build a picture of the sender more quickly" - is exactly why I don't support the use of pronouns in email signatures. I don't want people building a picture of me before they've interacted with me - it encourages pictures based on prejudices, of which there are many about women.

Gretnaglebe · 29/04/2025 13:00

Tippex

MargaritaPracticallyCan · 29/04/2025 12:57

We were given the option of adding pronouns to email signatures. I opted not to. I don't use them in real life, I respect others choose to and would use someone's preferred pronouns out of courtesy if it came up. Which it rarely does. But I choose not to use pronouns personally or professionally.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 29/04/2025 12:52

Ladybuglamp · 29/04/2025 09:51

Are you a she/her? If so, I don’t understand what the issue is?
It’s helpful for colleagues to know how you like to be referred to. No different from having your name printed on the badge.
I’m sure HR will remove it if you’re genuinely that bothered about people thinking you’re a woman.
I find it really helpful at work (There is a trans woman at my work and not to sound mean, but I would have just assumed she was a he/him if she didn’t have her pronouns in email sig - and I could have ended up really hurting her feelings)

The issue is that we aren't asked to add any other protected characteristics to our emails or work passes.

Lentilweaver · 29/04/2025 12:51

I have a "foreign" name, and people often misgender me on the phone or in emails. I just politely correct them. No problem, no hurty feelings.
I would rather they misgender me than call myself she/her.

Northerngirl821 · 29/04/2025 12:48

I told HR that I was still at a very difficult stage in my gender identity journey and I didn’t feel comfortable publicly disclosing my preferred pronouns just yet, and that being given an unsolicited badge with pronouns on was actually very triggering to my mental health…

They apologised and gave me a new badge without pronouns on and pronouns are now optional instead of being enforced!

TheGreenIsAlwaysGrasser · 29/04/2025 12:46

Surely if they can tell by looking at you that you're a She / Her, so can everybody else and therefore nobody needs to have it spelled out as it's bloody obvious.

I spend my whole life trying to be taken seriously DESPITE my female-ness, I don't feel the need to draw attention to it as it has absolutely zero bearing on how I do my work or how anyone at work should interact with me.

ttcat37 · 29/04/2025 12:41

You could kick up a stink about it. Or you could have just used a bit of sharpie on it and moved on in the time it took for you to make this post

BendySpoon · 29/04/2025 12:39

Oh the irony of trying to be inclusive by just assuming that the OP is she/her. Hell would freeze over before I’d wear that.

Lookuptotheskies · 29/04/2025 12:34

Always handy to know the company you work for has drank the kool aid. 🙄

I'm not sure how I'd approach this but I'd feel exactly the same.

Is it a white background? If so I'd possibly just put a plain white sticker over it and go about my business.

LittleBitofBread · 29/04/2025 12:30

footballfan1963 · 29/04/2025 11:58

YANBU

There’s no way I would agree to wearing this.

As an aside, I’ve always wondered why ‘she’ and ‘her’ are both necessary? If you’re a she, surely you’d automatically be a her too?

I’d love to do ‘she/him’ for a laugh. That would confuse them 😂

Some people do have bollocks like 'she'/'they' 🙄

SpringtimeClouds · 29/04/2025 12:30

SerafinasGoose · 29/04/2025 10:48

It's very easy to avoid using sex/gendered pronouns. You simply switch to the passive voice. This takes some reframing in the mind, but after a while it becomes habit.

I work in an organisation with a clear policy that disciplinary action could be taken over any slips, however unintentional. So to me it became like a game of linguistic contortionism. This has the twofold benefit: no one gets inadvertently offended, and I don't have to compromise my principles (which are that I don't hold with regressive gender stereotypes).

Therefore: 'I agree with what Rachel just said. That was a very valid point'.

Edited

How do you do this? One of my kids has a friend who goes by they/them. I guess I am gender critical (which I’ve never articulated but my kids all know my views on misogyny and women safe spaces etc). Regardless of my personal views, I comfortable enough respecting that they want to be they/them…. But I call them she/her all the time. Even when I’m actively thinking about it. I do have dyslexia and struggle to find the right words sometimes (I’ll say open when I mean close etc). I love taken early retirement so thankfully I don’t have to worry at work because I don’t think I would manage it.

TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 29/04/2025 12:29

15 years ago nobody was thinking about this bullshit.

By using pronouns we are buying into a bullshit ideology, once that says anyone can identify as whatever they say they are.

I won't put them on my signature or lanyard or anywhere and it's depressing that this has become so ingrained that anyone thinks it's normal. It isn't!

Jumpingthruhoops · 29/04/2025 12:29

Ladybuglamp · 29/04/2025 09:51

Are you a she/her? If so, I don’t understand what the issue is?
It’s helpful for colleagues to know how you like to be referred to. No different from having your name printed on the badge.
I’m sure HR will remove it if you’re genuinely that bothered about people thinking you’re a woman.
I find it really helpful at work (There is a trans woman at my work and not to sound mean, but I would have just assumed she was a he/him if she didn’t have her pronouns in email sig - and I could have ended up really hurting her feelings)

I’m sure HR will remove it if you’re genuinely that bothered about people thinking you’re a woman.

Now you know you're being totally disingenuous, don't you?
It's precisely because OP knows there's no dispute she's a woman that she doesn't want to display her pronouns on a badge.
Just because a tiny minority do feel the need to, shouldn't mean that the rest of the population has to automatically fall in line.

ilovesooty · 29/04/2025 12:27

Jumpingthruhoops · 29/04/2025 11:42

The 'big deal' is that it suggests OP supports an ideology that she doesn't believe in. I would point blank refuse to wear a badge with my pronouns on.
Surely if this is about respecting people's preferred pronouns, then it should also be respected when people prefer NOT to use them!?

They should certainly have asked
I said I don't see it as a big deal in itself. Evidently others do.

Deathraystare · 29/04/2025 12:25

"Actually you should have put that I identify as Roger on Wednesdays - can you please put that on my lanyard so I don't have to keep remining people???"

Darkgreendarkbark · 29/04/2025 12:25

Also, if you're that worried about what HR will think of you, remember they have far bigger fish to dry. At any given time they are probably dealing with...

Mary who has a grievance against Bob
Keith who has a grievance against Mary
Susan who is unhappy about how her return from mat leave was handled
John who is lobbying for the company to use carbon neutral suppliers and vegan caterers
Amira who wants a dedicated prayer room
Dan who is asking for disability adjustments
Kathy who has been off sick for half the year

and so on ad infinitum. A polite request for the reissuing of a pass is probably the best thing that's happened to them all day!