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To not be happy that my new work lanyard has “she/her” on it without me asking?

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TheNavyAnt · 29/04/2025 09:03

I’ve just started a new job and noticed that my staff lanyard/pass automatically has my name and “she/her” printed underneath it. Nobody asked if I wanted pronouns added - it was just assumed and put there by default.

I don’t have anything against people sharing pronouns if they want to, but personally, I wouldn’t have chosen to have it printed on my pass. It feels a bit forced, like I’m being made to take part in something I didn’t ask for and I’m not sure why it needs to be there at all unless I choose it.

AIBU to feel slightly uncomfortable about this? Or should I just let it go as one of those “modern workplace” things?

OP posts:
AnSolas · 01/05/2025 08:28

Ddakji · 01/05/2025 07:59

The correct pronoun is the one that refers to their sex - he for males, she for females. Humans are pretty good at correctly sexing other humans.

I’m not at work to support people who want to turn me into a liar. They sure as hell don’t support me.

And at work you become a We as you bringing your professional self through the door to act on behalf of or as a agent of the Employer.

So We the Employer would like We the Employer to do the reports .....

Any manager who did not understand that while forcing staff to display something (at all times while at work) which is connected to 3 PC is not a forward thinking manager nor are they fostering a forward thinking or inclusive culture.

Flightfromhell · 01/05/2025 08:14

Movingonup313 · 01/05/2025 07:47

It's very important to some people that they are referred to by the correct pronoun - understandably so. If only those people had their pronouns on their cards, it would be singling them out. We are trying to support the minority here who have for years have not been supported. Singling them out would not be supportive - it would have the opposite effect. If the pronouns are the correct pronouns then I dont see the issue here. I see I am in the minority here. We use she/he/them in everyday language and its important to get that right.

It is not the same is putting religious beliefs/sexuality on the staff card as there would be no reason whatsoever in everyday general work conversation to refer to that (save some very specific roles where the employee has put themselves in a workplace relative to that criteria).

If it was sharpied out, as a manager, I would find that incredibly disrespectful. By that, I mean disrespectful to those that we are trying to support. If you don't like the (forward thinking and inclusive) culture of this workplace then perhaps it's not the place for you.

Enforced display of pronouns is not support that genuinely meant and willingly given, it's fake - but that doesn't seem to matter in a world where nothing is what it seems.

BundleBoogie · 01/05/2025 08:00

Ladybuglamp · 29/04/2025 09:51

Are you a she/her? If so, I don’t understand what the issue is?
It’s helpful for colleagues to know how you like to be referred to. No different from having your name printed on the badge.
I’m sure HR will remove it if you’re genuinely that bothered about people thinking you’re a woman.
I find it really helpful at work (There is a trans woman at my work and not to sound mean, but I would have just assumed she was a he/him if she didn’t have her pronouns in email sig - and I could have ended up really hurting her feelings)

What an amazing example of women working hard against their own interests.

Can you not see the obvious issues with making everyone refer to an obvious man as ‘she/her’ and giving him an entitlement to use women’s spaces?

You may not mind sharing with a man but women are categorically safer in single sex facilities.

Ddakji · 01/05/2025 07:59

Movingonup313 · 01/05/2025 07:47

It's very important to some people that they are referred to by the correct pronoun - understandably so. If only those people had their pronouns on their cards, it would be singling them out. We are trying to support the minority here who have for years have not been supported. Singling them out would not be supportive - it would have the opposite effect. If the pronouns are the correct pronouns then I dont see the issue here. I see I am in the minority here. We use she/he/them in everyday language and its important to get that right.

It is not the same is putting religious beliefs/sexuality on the staff card as there would be no reason whatsoever in everyday general work conversation to refer to that (save some very specific roles where the employee has put themselves in a workplace relative to that criteria).

If it was sharpied out, as a manager, I would find that incredibly disrespectful. By that, I mean disrespectful to those that we are trying to support. If you don't like the (forward thinking and inclusive) culture of this workplace then perhaps it's not the place for you.

The correct pronoun is the one that refers to their sex - he for males, she for females. Humans are pretty good at correctly sexing other humans.

I’m not at work to support people who want to turn me into a liar. They sure as hell don’t support me.

AnSolas · 01/05/2025 07:56

They is a very (or not very) subtle insult in the english language too.

So he indicates personal contact with the person plus degree of friendship and using they in context is othering (to a level just above "it")

The attempt to control other peoples use of sexed pronouns is a powerplay at a higher rank on the 'Respect pyramid' where he plays the same role as a title (Sir/Doctor/Vicar).

Movingonup313 · 01/05/2025 07:47

It's very important to some people that they are referred to by the correct pronoun - understandably so. If only those people had their pronouns on their cards, it would be singling them out. We are trying to support the minority here who have for years have not been supported. Singling them out would not be supportive - it would have the opposite effect. If the pronouns are the correct pronouns then I dont see the issue here. I see I am in the minority here. We use she/he/them in everyday language and its important to get that right.

It is not the same is putting religious beliefs/sexuality on the staff card as there would be no reason whatsoever in everyday general work conversation to refer to that (save some very specific roles where the employee has put themselves in a workplace relative to that criteria).

If it was sharpied out, as a manager, I would find that incredibly disrespectful. By that, I mean disrespectful to those that we are trying to support. If you don't like the (forward thinking and inclusive) culture of this workplace then perhaps it's not the place for you.

LillyPJ · 01/05/2025 07:31

@Ddakji Grammar is prescriptive not descriptive. Sometimes what we learn as a baby no longer applies.

Ddakji · 01/05/2025 07:04

Agix · 01/05/2025 06:50

If those are not your pronouns, complain and get a new pass.

If she is female then they are the correct pronouns - they’re not “her pronouns” though because that’s not how language works, just as it isn’t “my noun” to call a banana a banana.

We need to kick this absolute nonsense into touch. We learn as babies what the correct pronouns are for male and female people. That’s enough.

LillyPJ · 01/05/2025 06:58

I think it would be quite funny to ask for a new lanyard and say your 'chosen pronoun' is 'it'.

Agix · 01/05/2025 06:50

If those are not your pronouns, complain and get a new pass.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 01/05/2025 05:12

If you've just started and don't like the culture it's likely a good idea to leave.

wombat1a · 01/05/2025 03:19

Not a fan of it at all but they can be useful for instance I've worked in a place where there was a Chris, Jamie, Alex, Charlie and from just their names you would never know if they were M or F. Of course it helps to know if they are M ot F because then you don't make mistakes with she/he, her/him in emails. I am guessing the Lanyard name/pronoun is just taken from the HR directory.

JMSA · 01/05/2025 02:34

What a bloody nonsense the whole thing is.

Lovelyview · 30/04/2025 18:26

SpringtimeClouds · 29/04/2025 12:30

How do you do this? One of my kids has a friend who goes by they/them. I guess I am gender critical (which I’ve never articulated but my kids all know my views on misogyny and women safe spaces etc). Regardless of my personal views, I comfortable enough respecting that they want to be they/them…. But I call them she/her all the time. Even when I’m actively thinking about it. I do have dyslexia and struggle to find the right words sometimes (I’ll say open when I mean close etc). I love taken early retirement so thankfully I don’t have to worry at work because I don’t think I would manage it.

I find I'm hesitant to talk to my daughter about any of her friends in case I forget who's a they/them. I tend to use everyone's name which make conversations a bit clunky.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 30/04/2025 17:50

He is correct for a he/him. It's setting out parts of grammar (entirely unnecessarily, unless it's neopronouns, but that beside the point) and you use whichever is correct in the sentence, not both every time. 'He's leading the project, so update him when you're done.'

He/they is a different matter - then you're expected by some people to use both and alternate, and by others to use either but they don't mind which.

So the person who corrected you is completely wrong.

AnSolas · 30/04/2025 11:13

VickyEadieofThigh · 30/04/2025 10:39

I was recently corrected in a meeting when referring to a new colleague (whom I've never met) as "he", that "Jonathan identifies as he/him". I merely did a Paddington stare whilst tumbleweed rolled across the floor (I should add that I'm in a voluntary role but these were paid employees).

Imagine my joy at the next meeting when the woman who'd corrected me used "he" of Jonathan.

Sorry what?
she expected you to add in a him to each he?

You : Jonathan is looking after that he has said he will deliver the report tomorrow.

Her you should have said : Jonathan is looking after that he/him has said he/him will deliver the report tomorrow.

Anyotherdude · 30/04/2025 10:48

HufflebuffsAreOn · 29/04/2025 09:11

Agree. But for the vast majority of us they are not chosen pronouns. They are just pronouns that go with the sex we are. We need to change the language around this.

I want people to be able to determine my pronouns for themself, without this additional layer of woke protocol!
I really don’t mind my colleagues in India addressing me as “Mr Firstname” and I don’t correct them when they do (I’m female and married, so a Mrs)
I’ve used an affectionate address for my pronoun in Outlook - nobody has complained about “Darling” so far!

VickyEadieofThigh · 30/04/2025 10:39

Darkgreendarkbark · 29/04/2025 12:04

I think people massively underestimate how often we use pronouns about other people in their hearing, or in written communications that they will see. I work with some they/thems, and nobody ever remembers to call them that. I very often hear "he" and "she" about these people, including times when they are present. Hilariously, it's often people who have pronouns in their own signatures who forget. I'm hyper conscious of it because I think it's all bollocks, so when I'm around the they/thems, I'm hyper aware of avoiding pronouns entirely.

I was recently corrected in a meeting when referring to a new colleague (whom I've never met) as "he", that "Jonathan identifies as he/him". I merely did a Paddington stare whilst tumbleweed rolled across the floor (I should add that I'm in a voluntary role but these were paid employees).

Imagine my joy at the next meeting when the woman who'd corrected me used "he" of Jonathan.

Flightfromhell · 30/04/2025 10:33

Inthebitterend · 29/04/2025 13:53

I wish I had the energy to care about something so inconsequential to how I live my every day life. Getting so caught up in pronouns that seeing your own written down makes you "uncomfortable" is just bizarre to me.

But you have the energy to care enough to post on this thread?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/04/2025 10:26

AspiringChatBot · 29/04/2025 14:01

There's plenty of evidence that women are placed at a systemic disadvantage to men when attention is called to their sex in the workplace. No one should be forced to have something on their work ID or gear that indicates their sex unless their job responsibilities make it necessary to differentiate or specify sex. The egalitarian and democratic best practice is to leave gendered pronouns and titles (Ms., Mr., Lady, Sir, etc.) off unless functionally necessary.

This is a point you should consider if you challenge OP. There’s a phenomenon called “stereotype threat”.

https://4w.pub/identity-crisis-pronouns/amp/

Identity Crisis: "What Are Your Pronouns?"

How to answer the dreaded question and exert your boundaries

https://4w.pub/identity-crisis-pronouns/amp/

ThatsNotMyTeen · 29/04/2025 19:26

Ladybuglamp · 29/04/2025 09:51

Are you a she/her? If so, I don’t understand what the issue is?
It’s helpful for colleagues to know how you like to be referred to. No different from having your name printed on the badge.
I’m sure HR will remove it if you’re genuinely that bothered about people thinking you’re a woman.
I find it really helpful at work (There is a trans woman at my work and not to sound mean, but I would have just assumed she was a he/him if she didn’t have her pronouns in email sig - and I could have ended up really hurting her feelings)

Well at least if he had hurt feelings, we now know he can have a good cry in the gents

Jumpingthruhoops · 29/04/2025 15:05

You're talking nonsense!

So because a company makes a sudden change for ideological reasons, everyone just has to suck it up? Er no, life doesn't work like that I'm afraid.

I have been at my company for nearly 20 years, so pretty confident I'm already a 'good fit', thanks. If they insisting on displaying pronouns I would push back on it. As would many others I suspect.

crockofshite · 29/04/2025 14:43

scrape it off, cover it or use a different lanyard.

don't pander to this bullshit.

beesandstrawberries · 29/04/2025 14:13

I’m only 28 but this entire ‘woke’ young generation is weird. People should be entitled to do what THEY want to do and who THEY want to be. But forcing other people to partake in their woke bs is exhausting and unwanted.

its like their new thing is calling biological women ‘cis women’. we say we JUST want to be called women, no cis and they kick off saying it’s factual. So our wishes of how we want to be addressed is not listened to, but god forbid you mis gender or choose not to respect that ‘groups’ wishes. It’s horrible

Whooowhooohoo · 29/04/2025 14:10

Fact that no one asked your preferred is an offensive double standard.

put some white tape over it.

If asked … say: no one asked me my preferred pronouns. Assumptions have been made which are deeply offensive.

You are 100% correct to say “I have no preferred pronouns”