Page 6 | Benefit cuts will cost the economy.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 2025-04-29T07:33:50+00:00

[[https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/29/labours-benefit-cuts-will-cost-uk-economy-billions-charity-says https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/29/labours-benefit-cuts-will-cost-uk-economy-billions-charity-says]] Interesting article which repeats what some of us have been saying about the likely consequences of the proposed measures, including increased pressure on services.

Mrsttcno1 · 02/05/2025 11:53

Kindersurprising · 02/05/2025 11:22

Still waiting for you to suggest how we find the extra £5 billion year on year?

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This is exactly the thing.

People are in uproar at cut backs but there isn’t a money tree, and there aren’t so many people making realistic suggestions of where the extra money can come from. As lots of people have pointed out wages are shocking in this country for lots of people so increasing tax just isn’t a viable option, there is no magic solution here.

RatalieTatalie · 02/05/2025 11:52

Hastentoadd · 02/05/2025 11:45

It’s common knowledge that there are, if you are not aware of this you must be residing under a rock

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a lot of things with no evidence seem to be common knowledge on mumsnet

Thronglet · 02/05/2025 11:49

Kindersurprising · 02/05/2025 11:22

Still waiting for you to suggest how we find the extra £5 billion year on year?

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The government could stop spaffing money up the wall on taking disabled people with medical diagnoses from a doctor to court all the time. That would save a lot. The same with employing private companies to make a complete hash of their assessment of whether someone with a diagnosed illness is actually ill or not.

The amount of money that gets wasted trying to prove people diagnosed with terminal cancer are charlatans comes out of your wages, you know.

Hastentoadd · 02/05/2025 11:45

RatalieTatalie · 02/05/2025 11:42

Are they? Any evidence?

The system is in place to prevent people committing fraud, people will always find a way around the rules if they're desperate to. But this notion that there is a whole raft of people not working (and able) as a lifestyle is nonsense.

And if they are, I can't imagine they're getting very far on their tiny amounts of standard rate, sanctioned UC.

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It’s common knowledge that there are, if you are not aware of this you must be residing under a rock

RatalieTatalie · 02/05/2025 11:42

Hastentoadd · 02/05/2025 10:55

Oh get real, loads of people are getting away with it

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Are they? Any evidence?

The system is in place to prevent people committing fraud, people will always find a way around the rules if they're desperate to. But this notion that there is a whole raft of people not working (and able) as a lifestyle is nonsense.

And if they are, I can't imagine they're getting very far on their tiny amounts of standard rate, sanctioned UC.

Kindersurprising · 02/05/2025 11:22

MistressoftheDarkSide · 02/05/2025 10:49

Still waiting for the pitchfork mafia to come clean about their feelings towards the economically disadvantaged and inactive, and spell out what they want to see happen to them.

Still waiting for you to suggest how we find the extra £5 billion year on year?

Hastentoadd · 02/05/2025 10:55

RatalieTatalie · 02/05/2025 10:45

Those that can work, but choose not to are already sanctioned for not doing so.

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Oh get real, loads of people are getting away with it

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 02/05/2025 10:49

Still waiting for the pitchfork mafia to come clean about their feelings towards the economically disadvantaged and inactive, and spell out what they want to see happen to them.

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RatalieTatalie · 02/05/2025 10:45

Hastentoadd · 01/05/2025 23:54

Or are you alluding to people who claim to be disabled but you think they are not?

Yes, and the long term unemployed who can work but choose not too

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Those that can work, but choose not to are already sanctioned for not doing so.

Kindersurprising · 02/05/2025 10:20

Why not turn the question round and make it useful? Instead of cutting benefits, why not come up with some great ideas to raise an extra £5 billion a year, every year, to prove it is affordable for benefits to stay as they are?

Then you can lay this issue to rest once and for all.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 02/05/2025 00:37

I think I could do with some demonic possession for light relief myself. 😒

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 02/05/2025 00:34

Oof. Was just entertaining myself on the "Demonic possession" thread for a little light relief - not something I believe in in the Hollywood form / religious sense - however, checking out some of the new posts on here I might have to revise that opinion.

Perhaps those so invested in the idea that people only count in terms of monetary contribution would care to spell out what should happen to people who for any reason cannot make that contribution? Go on, I dare you......

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WeylandYutani · 02/05/2025 00:06

Offwegotomarket · 01/05/2025 23:57

In what world is less than £400 a month equal to a workers full month wage.

Thats the going rate for basic UC for over 25s under 25s is even more abysmal.

The ignorance on here is astounding.

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oh but they "GeT FReee DEntiSTs"

yes, when there are no NHS dentists anywhere anymore.

Offwegotomarket · 01/05/2025 23:57

Viviennemary · 29/04/2025 09:56

It is rather unrealistic to expect tax payers to keep bankrolling shirkers on more and more generous benefits. Thd whole system needs to be overhauled. Does any other country have this system of people working the fewest hours or not working at all getting more money than full time working people. I doubt it.

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In what world is less than £400 a month equal to a workers full month wage.

Thats the going rate for basic UC for over 25s under 25s is even more abysmal.

The ignorance on here is astounding.

WeylandYutani · 01/05/2025 23:56

Hastentoadd · 01/05/2025 23:54

Or are you alluding to people who claim to be disabled but you think they are not?

Yes, and the long term unemployed who can work but choose not too

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ah your true colours are showing now

Hastentoadd · 01/05/2025 23:54

WeylandYutani · 01/05/2025 23:52

People who can work, but don't are still entitled to benefits. It is called jobseekers and they will have work search commitments too
Or are you alluding to people who claim to be disabled but you think they are not?

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Or are you alluding to people who claim to be disabled but you think they are not?

Yes, and the long term unemployed who can work but choose not too

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 01/05/2025 23:54

Hastentoadd · 01/05/2025 23:50

My comment specifically said people who can work but don’t work, this is not related to the disabled
The thread is not specifically related to disability benefits, stop trying to twist what I’m saying!

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So you hadn’t actually read the thread? Just randomly plopped in with an extreme comment implying the unemployed have no value?

Sounds like a good faith contribution. 🙄

WeylandYutani · 01/05/2025 23:52

Hastentoadd · 01/05/2025 23:50

My comment specifically said people who can work but don’t work, this is not related to the disabled
The thread is not specifically related to disability benefits, stop trying to twist what I’m saying!

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People who can work, but don't are still entitled to benefits. It is called jobseekers and they will have work search commitments too
Or are you alluding to people who claim to be disabled but you think they are not?

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 01/05/2025 23:51

WeylandYutani · 01/05/2025 23:48

and people who can work can claim benefits if they are out of work. They can't live off fresh air.

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Also true.

It’s what we all pay NICs for.

I think this thread is attracting some really unpleasant posters, though. No point trying to engage them. I’m not sure why I tried.

Hastentoadd · 01/05/2025 23:50

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 01/05/2025 23:47

You’re disgusting. This discussion is about disability and disability benefits.

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My comment specifically said people who can work but don’t work, this is not related to the disabled
The thread is not specifically related to disability benefits, stop trying to twist what I’m saying!

WeylandYutani · 01/05/2025 23:48

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 01/05/2025 23:47

You’re disgusting. This discussion is about disability and disability benefits.

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and people who can work can claim benefits if they are out of work. They can't live off fresh air.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 01/05/2025 23:47

Hastentoadd · 01/05/2025 23:45

Well if the shoe fits and people who can work but don’t work claim benefits then……

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You’re disgusting. This discussion is about disability and disability benefits.

WeylandYutani · 01/05/2025 23:47

Hastentoadd · 01/05/2025 23:45

Well if the shoe fits and people who can work but don’t work claim benefits then……

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I just looked up 'useless eater' and it seems to apply to people who are too disabled to work too.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 01/05/2025 23:46

WeylandYutani · 01/05/2025 23:37

ok I am not able to work so am not contributing in the usual sense of being a tax payer. And I would argue that anyway as I am not exempt from VAT on the stuff I buy.
But I can make my friends laugh, and therefore lift their spirits.
My worth should not be down to what I earn in money. At my funeral, no one is going to go on about what I earned (or didn't). they will be on about my impact on their lives.

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It shouldn’t even need to be said. What a world it would be if we were all just valued as economic units.

WeylandYutani · 01/05/2025 23:45

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 01/05/2025 23:43

Edging towards the term “useless eater” there, are we?

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I have not heard of that term before so looked it up 😢