Benefit cuts will cost the economy.

Nobody is entitled to a promotion or whatever work they want anyway. Far from it, actually. These are not human rights.

If a family has 1 adult and 2 children on High rate care and mobility for both PIP and DLA, I'd say £40k isn't enough. They'll be facing significant daily challenges. And the cost of professional carers would far outweigh the cost of carers allowance the other adult is getting

Of course it’s possible.

I just used the ‘Entitled To’ calculator.

A family with 2 non working parents, where 1 is a carer and 1 on PIP, with 2 kids claiming DLA, is entitled to £40,000 in benefits per year.

£2300 UC
£360 carers
£145 council tax support
£262 child benefit
£4000 PIP

In the handful of families I mentioned above, there is a bit more at play (such as 3 DC on DLA, or both parents receiving PIP, or 1 parent caring for the other). So that would in theory be more.

Do you dispute the figures above?

Of course it’s possible.

I just used the ‘Entitled To’ calculator.

A family with 2 non working parents, where 1 is a carer and 1 on PIP, with 2 kids claiming DLA, is entitled to £40,000 in benefits per year.

£2300 UC
£360 carers
£145 council tax support
£262 child benefit
£4000 PIP

In the handful of families I mentioned above, there is a bit more at play (such as 3 DC on DLA, or both parents receiving PIP, or 1 parent caring for the other). So that would in theory be more.

Do you dispute the figures above?

Of course it’s possible.

I just used the ‘Entitled To’ calculator.

A family with 2 non working parents, where 1 is a carer and 1 on PIP, with 2 kids claiming DLA, is entitled to £40,000 in benefits per year.

£2300 UC
£360 carers
£145 council tax support
£262 child benefit
£4000 PIP

In the handful of families I mentioned above, there is a bit more at play (such as 3 DC on DLA, or both parents receiving PIP, or 1 parent caring for the other). So that would in theory be more.

Do you dispute the figures above?

That's not the case for everyone, though.

Plus, there are the hidden costs, such as being passed over for promotion/opportunities because of your disability, and/or having certain fields or jobs unavailable to you because of your disability.

PIP is supposed to go some way towards levelling the playing field.

The cost of a disability is not always much higher. My deaf friend says her only extra cost is hearing aid batteries. She got any other equipment for free.

The cost of a disability is not always much higher. My deaf friend says her only extra cost is hearing aid batteries. She got any other equipment for free.

The cost of a disability is not always much higher. My deaf friend says her only extra cost is hearing aid batteries. She got any other equipment for free.

Of course it’s possible.

I just used the ‘Entitled To’ calculator.

A family with 2 non working parents, where 1 is a carer and 1 on PIP, with 2 kids claiming DLA, is entitled to £40,000 in benefits per year.

£2300 UC
£360 carers
£145 council tax support
£262 child benefit
£4000 PIP

In the handful of families I mentioned above, there is a bit more at play (such as 3 DC on DLA, or both parents receiving PIP, or 1 parent caring for the other). So that would in theory be more.

Do you dispute the figures above?

Well I wouldn’t, but some would. Some people will just cock a snook of they feel judged or surveilled.

For example, an out of work benefits income of £50k is not possible, even for a family with multiple disabilities, unless half of it is going on a high rent.

”Larger house” is another case in point. They’re just not readily available, and the waiting lists are extremely long, if it’s social housing. Priority goes to homeless families in hostels.

If they mean private rentals, they have to find a landlord prepared to rent to them without a job (huge hurdle) and then they’re probably going to get screwed for an excessive rent because the unscrupulous landlords know that the underclass is a cash cow. So that’s a minority. And what are they gaining? The right to live in a slightly larger house for a few years until the kids grow up? A house they’ll never own? It’s not a great wheeze, is it? Except for the landlords.

I think you’re being trolled.

The cost of a disability is not always much higher. My deaf friend says her only extra cost is hearing aid batteries. She got any other equipment for free.

There is publicly available data on people who receive PiP.

i recently applied for and received PIP (I use a wheelchair following an accident, hope that’s ok with people).

the data is actually quite interesting. It’s available in excel format so you can play around with it yourself.

This is the link and then click through to stat explore.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/personal-independence-payment-statistics

A lot of what people are posting is just not factually true if you look at the actual data. It’s a nice afternoon and I fancy spending it in the garden buggering about with data so I will post some follow ups later as I really do hate people who post hatred about disabled people.

Why would they be? Why would they, in a small community of people who know them, pretend they’re on benefits and get DLA, carers and PIP? Isn’t it just more likely they are in receipt of those things? Especially given the figures say we have the equivalent of the entire population of Scotland on disability benefits.

Can you please point out where I said you get more money by being disabled?

What I’m pointing out clearly and with the numbers is that actually for lots of people there is very little difference financially between claiming & working full time, whereas you claimed wages to be significantly higher than claiming. Your other point was that you didn’t get an increase in April, neither did most people who earn a wage, that’s not specific to you or those on benefits- we’re all essentially worse off every year due to cost of living, I don’t know many people who get a payrise every April to cover the increase in costs.

And all of those people still have to pay for food, utilities, etc, they aren’t getting discounts either.

They regularly post on a FB group we have - wanting to know payment dates, whether things are being cut, whether they qualify for a larger house now they have an extra baby etc.

No Lamborghinis but all housing and bills covered and seemingly a generous amount left to live on. More than many get working. I know you’ll all pretend this never happens, but like I said, I’m happy to show proof and maths if desired. I suspect you don’t want me to though.

They regularly post on a FB group we have - wanting to know payment dates, whether things are being cut, whether they qualify for a larger house now they have an extra baby etc.

How do you cope with living costs if you're disabled but choosing not to claim?

The societal contract is rapidly breaking down.

This is what you need to fix.

You work hard, bring up decent kids, don't break the law and in return people have come to expect that they can live in an adequate house and their children, when they come of age, are able to move out, get work, find somewhere of their own to live. Expect a bit of healthcare when required, perhaps a bit of social care at the end of life.

But this has broken down.

What used to be dealt with within a family, older relatives, mental health illness, disabled youngsters, we all now expect the state to fund. And that expectation is bankrupting councils. Creating a workforce that pays tax and "sees" less and less each passing year for their efforts. (Pot holes, no police, littered streets). This is the breakdown of the contract.

People, as a whole, have stopped caring. Olders don't care about struggling children and parents don't care about singles and loneliness. It's dog eat dog and everyone for themselves.

And it seems like an impossible wound to heal.

It will revert to families being expected to look after their own with less and less state financial support. For a while. It will of course swing back again as everything does.

Do you think maybe they’re trolling?