Benefit cuts will cost the economy.

Our mortgage doesn’t get paid if we need to reduce hours to provide unpaid care.

If I crash out of the jobs market, because, for example, my disability worsens, then not only does our mortgage not get paid, but there is no underemployed family member available to care for me.

I know two families getting dla for four children. Their children aren’t any higher needs than mine (all have asd). It’s a huge amount of money to get from the state. I don’t see that we should award such significant amounts to people just because they have something we consider a disability unless there are actually additional costs.

Maybe it’s an idea to move to a voucher system to cover costs only. As a disabled person i can say its a good thing to work if at all possible and most disabled people can do some work

Where did your £4k figure for PIP come from?

Anyway, as @MistressoftheDarkSide said, unless you have the entitlement letters of the people you know, you have no proof what their income is. The figure of £4k for PIP you quoted shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

You said £4000 PIP, which is what the poster you quoted said. This is the exact quote from your post:

"£2300 UC
£360 carers
£145 council tax support
£262 child benefit
£4000 PIP"

Anyway, ready to share your magical tip for managing living costs while choosing not to claim benefits yet? You can't care that much about getting people off benefits if you won't share it.

You said £4000 for PIP. It’s nowhere near possible.

Can you provide some figures as to how you would tax the rich who are already very taxed?

Or you could phrase it as once it stated to become a more equal responsibility for men to also do unpaid caring work, that's when expectations grew that it was for someone else to do, preferably paid for by the state because you know "we pay tax for this".

So yes in future, the care support required within families will have to be bore by both male and female parents and offspring.

Links here;

https://www.turn2us.org.uk/about-us/news-and-media/latest-news/benefit-rate-increases-this-april-2025

Government page;

https://www.gov.uk/pip/how-much-youll-get

Tax the rich more? Close loopholes for businesses and wealthy individuals? Reduce government spending in areas that can manage it?

What do you suggest? Forcing people with severely disabled families to leave them at home unattended for 9 hours a day while they work full time, then come home and care for them for the other 15 hours? The options are, we allow families to care for their relatives and pay them a pittance to do so, or we force these people out to work and force the government to pay for professional carers on NMW?

I didn’t say £40,000 in PIP. Did you even read my post?

Low rate PIP x 1 - £400 per month
Low rate DLA x 2 - £480 per month
Carers - £320 per month
UC of around £2,000 is absolutely not ‘far outside the maximum’ - seems a very normal amount

Even just those things - lower rate everything, everything rounded down - is over £3,000 per month, or £36,000 per year.

I don’t need to. This is the sister organisation of entitled to. These are the PIP rates. Lots of charities publish them. So do the government (usually buried in a long list of rates). Feel free to look at multiple sources. £4000 PIP isn’t an award that’s possible.

£4000 PIP?🤣

The absolute maximum for 1 adult and 2 children claiming top rate of PiP and DLA would be £2,249.40 every four weeks (£187.45 per person per week).

My son is getting DLA, and I am getting carers allowance for looking after him. I work part time as well, I wish I could work full time, but I can’t get child care for him

49% of UC claimants are working. Why isn't anything being done about that? O am aware that part of the issue is the amount of rent people pay.

We can’t be a country of 40% unemployment propped up by a few highly taxed billionaires, no matter how much everyone seems to see this as the answer. Even recovering hidden tax and ending nondoms isn’t enough to fund the benefits mess. All low hanging fruit has been picked.

How do we afford to pay for this? Cut the NHS? Education?

It’s not. Thats so wrong it’s funny. Those figures are far outside the maximum.

All you need to do is go to the Entitled To calendar and enter the scenario I did. I’ve closed the window now, but if you do the same and get a different amount, do let me know.

@Kindersurprisingi can’t tell if you’re somehow just mistaken, or if the benefit calculator is wildly malfunctioning.

Would you mind terribly posting screenshots of the calculation you did? Then we could unpick the misunderstanding.

You won’t like this answer, but you can’t. Making the application criteria more stringent, cutting benefits or strengthening the sanctions regime only impacts the vulnerable.

More work needs to be done on the hidden economy (activities/jobs hidden from HMRC) and harsher punishments for employers who collude to defraud the state. Get more money coming - something the government set to be actively avoiding, instead targeting some of the most vulnerable because that’s a quick and easy win.

Much more investment is needed in supporting people into work, both for the individual and employers. I believe employers can (and should be required to) do more.

"Disabled people, get a job"

"I keep getting knocked back from jobs I can do with my condition in favour of non-disabled applicants"

"Nobody is entitled to whatever work they want".

Make it make sense 🙃

According to the government the majority of claims for pip are for non physical disabilities. What “equipment” do you claim these people need?

Yes which is why I used lower rate for everything. This is the minimum award.