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Benefit cuts will cost the economy.

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/04/2025 08:33

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/29/labours-benefit-cuts-will-cost-uk-economy-billions-charity-says

Interesting article which repeats what some of us have been saying about the likely consequences of the proposed measures, including increased pressure on services.

Labour’s benefit cuts will cost UK economy billions, charity says

Trussell report finds that higher levels of poverty mean Britain is losing out on £38bn a year of potential output

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/29/labours-benefit-cuts-will-cost-uk-economy-billions-charity-says

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Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:15

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 19:47

Does anyone remember that thread where a poster was panicking about losing PIP for her chronic fatigue, but disclosed she ate pot noodles and coke most days?

Yes, I do remember that. She said that's all she had the energy for. Then she got hounded to within an inch of her life about why she didn't eat X, Y, or Z.

Person suffering from chronic fatigue eating easy to prepare food shock? Quelle surprise.

ByBoldOP · 29/04/2025 20:00

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 15:38

What kind of support would’ve changed the outcome?

Well this is going to be individual dependant. But for us it would have been teacher that didn't scare her half to death at 5 years old. It would have been a school that didn't punish her for stimming. It would have been the right intervention at the right time so she had a chance of learning the knowledge she needed to keep up with peers. Rather than miss the grounding knowledge and sit in class no understanding anything.
It would have been the LA providing the legal required tutor when she was too ill to attend school for a year. It would have been the school providing support when she returned after the illness and not just blame everything on attendance when there was know LD and even if it was just the illness that wasn't her fault and support should have been provided.

Maybe this would have prevented a breakdown and health relapse or negated the worse parts.

WhenDaisiesPied · 29/04/2025 19:55

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 19:47

Does anyone remember that thread where a poster was panicking about losing PIP for her chronic fatigue, but disclosed she ate pot noodles and coke most days?

ME/CFS is NOT caused by drinking coke and eating pot noodles. Anymore than cerebral palsy is. Or being deaf.

I'm sure eating those things didn't help her condition (I say this as someone who has had years of ME/CFS and my diet hasn't always been good) but someone without ME/CFS who lives in that junk will feel crap, but they won't get the symptoms of ME. Tiredness is not the same thing . I knew people at uni who ate that sort of diet, maybe with the occasional pizza or kebab thrown in. Not one of them felt or presented like someone like me with ME. They experienced low mood or tiredness . It's like comparing a cold to cancer.

LadyKenya · 29/04/2025 19:49

No, what she ate is important because....?@kindersurprising

WhenDaisiesPied · 29/04/2025 19:49

outlanderish · 29/04/2025 08:35

In hindsight, surely it will do the opposite and encourage the people who do not work but are physically able to work, to work? No?

But they are targeting the disabled ? Not those who are out of work but who are refusing to ?

RatalieTatalie · 29/04/2025 19:49

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 19:47

Does anyone remember that thread where a poster was panicking about losing PIP for her chronic fatigue, but disclosed she ate pot noodles and coke most days?

No? What’s the relevance?

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 19:47

Does anyone remember that thread where a poster was panicking about losing PIP for her chronic fatigue, but disclosed she ate pot noodles and coke most days?

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 19:26

Tangerinenets · 29/04/2025 19:15

My disabled son gets LCWRA . It’s £809 per month. He then pays social care £726 a month to pay towards his care package. If he doesn’t get it then he can’t be asked to pay it to social care so god knows what then happens to the social care budget!

So the 809 is his whole UC award? What does he eat? Or is he living at home?

Labour have no idea what they’ve got themselves into, here, do they? The whole rickety edifice will come down.

Theunamedcat · 29/04/2025 19:21

Viviennemary · 29/04/2025 08:55

I disagree. Benefits need to be cut. Absolutely ridiculous the amounts some folk are raking in.

Yes the pesky politicians are raking it in

Tangerinenets · 29/04/2025 19:15

Miley23 · 29/04/2025 09:34

Yes I agree. I also read somewhere that apparently people over state pension age who are in receipt of PIP aren't going to be affected so these will no doubt carry on spending the benefit money they receive on cleaners, gardeners etc Obviously from next November we will start to see a lot not awarded PIP. The worry also will be if those get the LCWRA of UC taken away too. You can't take potentially 1k in benefits per month away from large numbers of people and not expect it to affect the economy - this will be massive. However I do think changes need to be made to PIP asap. The real problem is that it has been allowed to spiral so much out of control in the first place.

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My disabled son gets LCWRA . It’s £809 per month. He then pays social care £726 a month to pay towards his care package. If he doesn’t get it then he can’t be asked to pay it to social care so god knows what then happens to the social care budget!

Pickledpoppetpickle · 29/04/2025 19:05

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Bah! These people need to qualify what they are saying. It’s not acceptable to make such assertions with sod all attempt at justification.

LadyKenya · 29/04/2025 19:02

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Yes usually something about PIP needing to be scrapped and replaced with another benefit, but never says what.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 18:58

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BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 18:57

User46576 · 29/04/2025 18:53

No, none. Tbf one child I know did try coloured glasses but didn’t find them helpful. I don’t need extra money (and i don’t claim pip) for either me or my dd despite our disabilities. Most disabled people don’t imo.

That’s not my experience. Although I do know a disproportionate number of home educated autists, which is probably a regional variation, and probably fuelled parental expenditure on things that help educationally. I’m very surprised to hear anyone with an autism network anywhere say no equipment at all, though.

LadyKenya · 29/04/2025 18:57

User46576 · 29/04/2025 18:34

None of those things you mention are either “aides” or “specialist equipment”.

I have asd myself as does one of my dds. Obviously we know a lot of people who also do from support groups etc. I don’t know a single one who needs “equipment”.

Whatever you wish to call it, the fact remains that their cost is higher due to their disabilities, hth.

Pickledpoppetpickle · 29/04/2025 18:56

Viviennemary · 29/04/2025 09:56

It is rather unrealistic to expect tax payers to keep bankrolling shirkers on more and more generous benefits. Thd whole system needs to be overhauled. Does any other country have this system of people working the fewest hours or not working at all getting more money than full time working people. I doubt it.

People with disabilities are shirkers? Working people claiming benefits are shirkers?

User46576 · 29/04/2025 18:53

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 18:46

What, nobody? No coloured prescription lenses? No adaptive pens or cutlery? No specialist software for self- organisation?

I know the bigger ticket items tend to be associated with physical disability, but the above are all very popular with the younger people I know who are ND.

No, none. Tbf one child I know did try coloured glasses but didn’t find them helpful. I don’t need extra money (and i don’t claim pip) for either me or my dd despite our disabilities. Most disabled people don’t imo.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 18:51

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 18:46

What, nobody? No coloured prescription lenses? No adaptive pens or cutlery? No specialist software for self- organisation?

I know the bigger ticket items tend to be associated with physical disability, but the above are all very popular with the younger people I know who are ND.

Oh and there was a positive mania for dehydrators (I think that’s what I mean) a year or so ago to make fruit and vegetables crispy for sensory-limited eaters. There are lots of costs to autism for some people, not everyone.

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 18:48

LadyKenya · 29/04/2025 18:09

Sorry to hear of your troubles@Thronglet. I am just wondering if Adult services in your LA could help you in any way.* *It might be worth a try.

That's kind of the point of this thread, isn't it? If they were to help me, rather than me having enough money to place a supermarket order, which I'm perfectly capable of doing if I could afford it, the government would then be paying for social workers to look after me when it would be significantly cheaper for me to have enough to buy food to eat.

It's much cheaper for the economy if people can take care of themselves as much as possible.

maybeuptight · 29/04/2025 18:47

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 29/04/2025 09:56

People keep saying that the burden will fall on Social Services.

It won't.

Social services can't even remotely fill the current need.

It means more women giving up work and being dependent on men, or more neglect.

Why can't people see this? Given the number of neglected children already, a few of whom actually die and many more who are damaged for life?

Legally, it's the local authority who has a duty of care towards adults with disabilities in the UK.

Unpaid carers currently save the government nearly 2 billion in care costs annually. They don't have to do it. They can down tools at any time, and step aside, leaving the local government to step in and meet the person's needs.

So if these unpaid carers suddenly can't afford to continue in their caring role (because their loved one lost PIP and they no longer get carer's allowance) then it's going to cost the local authority lots of money. Councils will be bankrupt, but then they still have to provide essential services including social care.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 18:46

User46576 · 29/04/2025 18:34

None of those things you mention are either “aides” or “specialist equipment”.

I have asd myself as does one of my dds. Obviously we know a lot of people who also do from support groups etc. I don’t know a single one who needs “equipment”.

What, nobody? No coloured prescription lenses? No adaptive pens or cutlery? No specialist software for self- organisation?

I know the bigger ticket items tend to be associated with physical disability, but the above are all very popular with the younger people I know who are ND.

User46576 · 29/04/2025 18:38

MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/04/2025 17:56

Funny how nobody wants to address the way councils are being fleeced by landlords and companies contracted to provide "services" isn't it?

Because they aren’t. Councils have an obligation to get the best deal when procuring services (including housing). If they’re not (which they often aren’t) that’s on them.

User46576 · 29/04/2025 18:36

RaininSummer · 29/04/2025 18:32

Just in case people are not aware, the job centre will buy interview clothing, shoes, work start clothing and fund travel to interviews and at least one month of travel to work for those job seeking.

Also there are lots of charities that provide free clothing for interviews, etc.

User46576 · 29/04/2025 18:34

LadyKenya · 29/04/2025 14:30

Sigh, people have explained the myriad of aids, that they may need according to their disability, read some of the threads on disabilities. Having higher food bills, due to aversion to some textures, etc. Having to use the washing machine more than would be usual due to rituals to do with having OCD etc, which may include having to have multiple showers a day which means higher water bills. Not being able to use public transport, due to having Autism etc, resulting in having to rely on expensive cabs. Go, and read up on it, you may even find yourself being educated!

None of those things you mention are either “aides” or “specialist equipment”.

I have asd myself as does one of my dds. Obviously we know a lot of people who also do from support groups etc. I don’t know a single one who needs “equipment”.

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