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Benefit cuts will cost the economy.

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/04/2025 08:33

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/29/labours-benefit-cuts-will-cost-uk-economy-billions-charity-says

Interesting article which repeats what some of us have been saying about the likely consequences of the proposed measures, including increased pressure on services.

Labour’s benefit cuts will cost UK economy billions, charity says

Trussell report finds that higher levels of poverty mean Britain is losing out on £38bn a year of potential output

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/29/labours-benefit-cuts-will-cost-uk-economy-billions-charity-says

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RatalieTatalie · 29/04/2025 21:16

Are you for real?

A woman with a diagnosed condition isn’t eating to your liking? What’s the relevance? You think she’d be cured if she was force fed a salad every day?

I couldn’t afford to live off of pre prepared salads. Pot noodles are currently 69p in Sainsbury’s - I know because I bought one for lunch today…I also get UC as a top up to my full time wage. Shoot me.

what you think someone should eat, has literally no bearing on the amount of benefits paid out. There is not a “pot noodle” component to PIP.

WhenDaisiesPied · 29/04/2025 21:16

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:29

Plenty of posters with ME showed up to point out that eating healthily is a key part of managing their condition. It is mine - I couldn’t cope at all eating that rubbish all day, even though eating healthily won’t cure me it definitely helps.

Same here and yes I'm one of those posters . I was struck down by it at an early age (One of those childhood cases you hear about on the news occasionally) . I am saying that just because this lady eats badly doesn't mean she is not ill.

Maybe if she improved her diet she would be healthier and able to work more but equally it might not make a difference. I am just saying we can not say someone is faking a condition because they eat badly. I

You can have a serious illness and be awful at self care. I wasn't taught self care as a child at all. Chaotic family background . Low self worth. sexual abuse.

I 'm just saying we can't be sure . It's not just virtuous people that get disabilities . People who are bad with food and bad at taking care of themselves do too.

Todaywasbetter · 29/04/2025 21:14

MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/04/2025 17:56

Funny how nobody wants to address the way councils are being fleeced by landlords and companies contracted to provide "services" isn't it?

How did you get that so wrong? Councils offer landlords roughly 60% of local rent. Yes its fleecing in reverse.
I blame Thatcher

WeylandYutani · 29/04/2025 20:52

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:48

Then why was she fine to do 2 hour long drives every day at set times?

Why does it matter? Why are you wanting to pick apart this lady's life?
How sad that she had this on her own thread, and you are trying to continue it on this one. Just leave it.

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:50

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:48

Then why was she fine to do 2 hour long drives every day at set times?

She evidently wasn't.

If you actually believe you know better how people with disabilities should live their lives than they do, then that's plain hubris.

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:48

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 20:36

That requires leaving the house. That takes MORE energy. Prepared sandwiches and salads are also outside the budget of many.

Do you really need this explained? Surely anyone can understand that if you have severe CFS getting to the shop to buy a sandwich could be just as difficult as making one?

Then why was she fine to do 2 hour long drives every day at set times?

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:41

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:34

A sandwich won’t cure me, but with a not-dissimilar condition if I lived off pot noodles and coke all day I would also feel exhausted and horrific.

Like I said plenty of people with CF showed up and emphasised how important diet is.

You might feel a bit tired. You would still not have chronic fatigue and you would still not understand the choices that people have to make.

Again, you are no expert in how others with conditions you don't have manage their lives. When every tiny little thing drains the life out of you - brushing teeth, combing hair, getting dressed, putting on shoes, washing up, hoovering, making the bed, going up and down stairs, making a cup of tea, hanging up laundry, literally EVERYTHING - then come back and tell us about how you've continued to live your life as if you were healthy. You won't ever be doing that though because you'd get a hard and powerful lesson about what it's like to be ill every single day of your life.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 20:39

Keirawr · 29/04/2025 20:19

Cutting benefits might just make people go to work who will do anything to avoid it. The benefits system is an insult to the people who actually pay for it.

14 millions people or working age on benefits. Never had the word pisstake been such an apt metaphor for anything.

The word pisstake is a metaphor?? No it isn’t. The calibre of waffle is through the floor today.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 29/04/2025 20:36

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:27

Yet she didn’t have the energy to grab a pre prepared salad pot or sandwich?

That requires leaving the house. That takes MORE energy. Prepared sandwiches and salads are also outside the budget of many.

Do you really need this explained? Surely anyone can understand that if you have severe CFS getting to the shop to buy a sandwich could be just as difficult as making one?

WeylandYutani · 29/04/2025 20:35

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:33

So how do we raise an extra 5 billion a year, year upon year, to continue to fund the rise? And please don’t put ‘tax the rich’ or some other thought terminating cliche, but something evidence and costed.

I am not an economist or politician, so I do not have the answers. Why would I?

But I don't think cutting the money of the most vulnerable is the answer.

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:34

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:33

The daily drive that she said made her so exhausted that she had to go back to bed afterwards to recover.

When you live with chronic fatigue 24 hours a day 7 days a week, then come back and tell us how you're getting on. I'm sure these things seem easy to you. Things that seem easy to you, things you do every day without even thinking about it, are a huge battle for a disabled person.

A sandwich is not going to cure her.

A sandwich won’t cure me, but with a not-dissimilar condition if I lived off pot noodles and coke all day I would also feel exhausted and horrific.

Like I said plenty of people with CF showed up and emphasised how important diet is.

WeylandYutani · 29/04/2025 20:34

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:30

She passed the shop on her daily drive.

So what?
Her thread was about her PIP being cut. But like I said in a previous comment, anyone on here mentions they are disabled they get a barrage of questions and unsolicited advice.

MereNoelle · 29/04/2025 20:34

outlanderish · 29/04/2025 08:35

In hindsight, surely it will do the opposite and encourage the people who do not work but are physically able to work, to work? No?

Well, no. That’s exactly what the article is about. Did you read it?

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:33

WeylandYutani · 29/04/2025 20:32

about 40% of those people are in work and get UC top ups and/or their rent paid.
Getting into work does not mean you will no longer be on benefits.

There are also almost twice as many jobseekers - people actively looking for work, than there are job vacancies.

Cutting benefits wont make people work. It will just make them hungry, get into debt, homeless, and have a huge impact on their mental health.

So how do we raise an extra 5 billion a year, year upon year, to continue to fund the rise? And please don’t put ‘tax the rich’ or some other thought terminating cliche, but something evidence and costed.

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:33

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:30

She passed the shop on her daily drive.

The daily drive that she said made her so exhausted that she had to go back to bed afterwards to recover.

When you live with chronic fatigue 24 hours a day 7 days a week, then come back and tell us how you're getting on. I'm sure these things seem easy to you. Things that seem easy to you, things you do every day without even thinking about it, are a huge battle for a disabled person.

A sandwich is not going to cure her.

WeylandYutani · 29/04/2025 20:32

Keirawr · 29/04/2025 20:19

Cutting benefits might just make people go to work who will do anything to avoid it. The benefits system is an insult to the people who actually pay for it.

14 millions people or working age on benefits. Never had the word pisstake been such an apt metaphor for anything.

about 40% of those people are in work and get UC top ups and/or their rent paid.
Getting into work does not mean you will no longer be on benefits.

There are also almost twice as many jobseekers - people actively looking for work, than there are job vacancies.

Cutting benefits wont make people work. It will just make them hungry, get into debt, homeless, and have a huge impact on their mental health.

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:30

WiddlinDiddlin · 29/04/2025 20:29

You realise that pre prepared salad pots and sandwiches have a short shelf life and require you to either order very frequently from a supermarket or go to one frequently - costly and difficult for someone on a low income with little energy.

If I had the energy to be that organised, oh the things I would achieve. Sadly, with a fluctuating chronic condition and never knowing what I'll be able to do when I get up a morning, it just isn't that easy. Priorities change rapidly.

She passed the shop on her daily drive.

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:29

WhenDaisiesPied · 29/04/2025 19:55

ME/CFS is NOT caused by drinking coke and eating pot noodles. Anymore than cerebral palsy is. Or being deaf.

I'm sure eating those things didn't help her condition (I say this as someone who has had years of ME/CFS and my diet hasn't always been good) but someone without ME/CFS who lives in that junk will feel crap, but they won't get the symptoms of ME. Tiredness is not the same thing . I knew people at uni who ate that sort of diet, maybe with the occasional pizza or kebab thrown in. Not one of them felt or presented like someone like me with ME. They experienced low mood or tiredness . It's like comparing a cold to cancer.

Plenty of posters with ME showed up to point out that eating healthily is a key part of managing their condition. It is mine - I couldn’t cope at all eating that rubbish all day, even though eating healthily won’t cure me it definitely helps.

WiddlinDiddlin · 29/04/2025 20:29

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:27

Yet she didn’t have the energy to grab a pre prepared salad pot or sandwich?

You realise that pre prepared salad pots and sandwiches have a short shelf life and require you to either order very frequently from a supermarket or go to one frequently - costly and difficult for someone on a low income with little energy.

If I had the energy to be that organised, oh the things I would achieve. Sadly, with a fluctuating chronic condition and never knowing what I'll be able to do when I get up a morning, it just isn't that easy. Priorities change rapidly.

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:29

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:27

Yet she didn’t have the energy to grab a pre prepared salad pot or sandwich?

Have you got chronic fatigue? You know it's like permanently having the flu right?

You are no expert on managing someone else's condition.

WeylandYutani · 29/04/2025 20:28

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 19:47

Does anyone remember that thread where a poster was panicking about losing PIP for her chronic fatigue, but disclosed she ate pot noodles and coke most days?

Yes, and the thread derailed into nonsense about how coke cans and tuna cans are similar. It was totally irrelevant.

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:28

ByBoldOP · 29/04/2025 20:00

Well this is going to be individual dependant. But for us it would have been teacher that didn't scare her half to death at 5 years old. It would have been a school that didn't punish her for stimming. It would have been the right intervention at the right time so she had a chance of learning the knowledge she needed to keep up with peers. Rather than miss the grounding knowledge and sit in class no understanding anything.
It would have been the LA providing the legal required tutor when she was too ill to attend school for a year. It would have been the school providing support when she returned after the illness and not just blame everything on attendance when there was know LD and even if it was just the illness that wasn't her fault and support should have been provided.

Maybe this would have prevented a breakdown and health relapse or negated the worse parts.

She sounds very unwell to the extent that all those things may not even have worked. I see many cases like this - parents convinced if X or Y support had been in place things would be fine now, but it seems unlikely. Ultimately there’s always more support that can be provided, but there has to be a reasonable line drawn somewhere.

Kindersurprising · 29/04/2025 20:27

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:15

Yes, I do remember that. She said that's all she had the energy for. Then she got hounded to within an inch of her life about why she didn't eat X, Y, or Z.

Person suffering from chronic fatigue eating easy to prepare food shock? Quelle surprise.

Yet she didn’t have the energy to grab a pre prepared salad pot or sandwich?

Thronglet · 29/04/2025 20:25

Keirawr · 29/04/2025 20:19

Cutting benefits might just make people go to work who will do anything to avoid it. The benefits system is an insult to the people who actually pay for it.

14 millions people or working age on benefits. Never had the word pisstake been such an apt metaphor for anything.

You think millions of people, including people who have proven they have a disability, are all lazy scroungers?

You couldn't manage to get a quarter the stuff I manage to get done in a day if we swapped tomorrow. Bollocks could you miss 2 out of 3 meals a day and carry on like I do, in constant endless pain. You'd be in tears already if you'd experienced what I have just today. You can't even tell there's anything wrong with me from looking at me, that's how stoic I am. I feel like someone has beaten me up, I'm shaky, I'm dizzy, and I'm still going. Bollocks am I lazy.

Keirawr · 29/04/2025 20:19

Cutting benefits might just make people go to work who will do anything to avoid it. The benefits system is an insult to the people who actually pay for it.

14 millions people or working age on benefits. Never had the word pisstake been such an apt metaphor for anything.

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