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To think that having a mammogram carried out by a man is preferable to a long wait for an appointment.

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JudithOnHolidayAgain · 29/04/2025 08:29

I know many people who wouldn't be here now without early detection of breast cancer due to the screening programme.
I have had a few myself.
It's not something I look forward to but it's a few minutes of discomfort that could save my life so I put up with it.
Given the choice I would prefer a woman carry it out as it is quite intrusive but as there is a shortage of female staff I would be ok with a male member of staff as long as there was a chaperone and Iwas told in advance.
If they do change the rules I think there should be a choice.

OP posts:
667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 01/05/2025 14:19

I also meant to say that of course I would rather see a male health care practitioner for a mammogram than have to wait if I found a lump, but I agree with Kemi Badenoch (this pains me to be on the same page as her as I’m a socialist) on this why should women have to compromise ? The answer is to do more to recruit staff needed and keep them.

667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 01/05/2025 14:03

Nanny0gg · 01/05/2025 09:44

Somehow (for me) a mammogram is so up close and personal it feels intimate in a way that a smear or whatever doesn't
I have had breast exams and ultrasound for lumps which again didn't feel so personal

And I find mammograms very painful - I would not like a man to do them

I completely agree, having had a male breast consultant remove a small lump under local anaesthetic did not feel anywhere near as intimate (for me anyway) as what happens during a mammogram. It’s hard to explain but I think it’s all the handling of the breasts and pulling about at close quarters. Absolutely agree with what others have said about if it was men who had to have their penis squashed flat in between two plates they would be looking for another method !

667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 01/05/2025 13:51

ErrolTheDragon · 29/04/2025 08:49

I don’t think it’s unreasonable, if women are allowed a true choice. I’m not sure a man working in one of the mobile units would really work either - getting your kit off in a van in a supermarket car park is a more vulnerable position than if it’s within a clinic I think.

I agree about it being different in the mobile units, the space is very limited. The last time I was there I wasn’t given a gown was told to strip to the waist in the changing room and walk into the room where the radiographer was then sit answer some questions etc I’m guessing this is just to confirm name date of birth etc I can’t remember then wait while they set got the machine ready which wasn’t long. It would have made me feel very uncomfortable if that was with a male. I can’t remember but I think the time before that I was told to leave my bra on then go into the room and take it off there when the radiographer was ready. Like others have said it feels more intimate than a gynae exam (I’ve had loads of these done by male staff) as they are very close to your face and literally “manhandling” your breasts.
I get that the thing with having no gowns etc saves the NHS money and time. I don’t get how it would help the shortages though as surely you would need a chaperone or at least make one available to those who wanted it. I’m also not sure how the option of choice would work as don’t know how far in advance the NHS would know which staff would be working on the mobile unit.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 01/05/2025 13:36

BlueCleaningCloth · 01/05/2025 09:45

That is their right, you can't force medical treatment or intervention on anyone. Same as people of certain religions declining blood transfusions. That's their right.

I know, which is what I stated.

Jumpers4goalposts · 01/05/2025 13:02

Fr33asaB1rd · 01/05/2025 12:21

I don’t think that’s fair. What about other areas with shortages such as teaching and IT? They could leave the NHS straight after their time with a free degree.

Personally I think that should be the same too. Anyone should be able to study any subject that they want but if as a society we need you to study certain areas these should cost less and be offset with a period of time working for the NHS or for state education etc.,

andtheworldrollson · 01/05/2025 13:01

So there is a shortage of radiographers and if more become specifically mammogram , then the shortage elsewhere will be worse ?

Fr33asaB1rd · 01/05/2025 12:24

CrakdEgg · 01/05/2025 11:26

15 posts do not a shortage make. There is not a shortage of female mammographers - where's your data and statistics, please?

There is a shortage of radiographers and a mammographer is a specialised radiographer. As such there most definitely is a shortage of mammographers.

Fr33asaB1rd · 01/05/2025 12:21

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 01/05/2025 12:02

Absolutely right, @Jumpers4goalposts.

I don’t think that’s fair. What about other areas with shortages such as teaching and IT? They could leave the NHS straight after their time with a free degree.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 01/05/2025 12:02

Jumpers4goalposts · 01/05/2025 10:48

I think the best way to solve shortages is to remove tuition fees for medical courses where there are shortages or where we are anticipating shortages and instead offset it against a period of time working within the NHS.

Absolutely right, @Jumpers4goalposts.

Jumpers4goalposts · 01/05/2025 11:46

PinkPonyPugClub · 01/05/2025 11:27

So you only want women who have had a mammogram to perform one?

That’s not what I said don’t twist my words.

Finallydoingit24 · 01/05/2025 11:28

CrakdEgg · 01/05/2025 11:26

15 posts do not a shortage make. There is not a shortage of female mammographers - where's your data and statistics, please?

What do you mean? There’s a national shortage of radiographers.

PinkPonyPugClub · 01/05/2025 11:27

Jumpers4goalposts · 30/04/2025 19:48

I think knowing it was going to be completed by a man would actually put me off. I had one completed when I was pregnant and it was uncomfortable, and very personal I was shocked by the amount of man handling that went on. I’d prefer it to be done by someone who understands what’s it’s like. Likewise wouldn’t like a male midwife either.

So you only want women who have had a mammogram to perform one?

CrakdEgg · 01/05/2025 11:26

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 30/04/2025 07:19

The point is that there is a shortage of female mammographers. What would be your solution, given that you can’t force someone to specialise in a particular area if they don’t want to ? If a male radiographer is willing to, and the patient has a choice, then l don’t see a problem. You can’t gatekeep choice for others based on what you want yourself.

15 posts do not a shortage make. There is not a shortage of female mammographers - where's your data and statistics, please?

MrsJoanDanvers · 01/05/2025 11:10

For all those talking about huge staff shortages so the only answer is a man, look at the number of vacancies for mammographers nationwide. You may be surprised…

Jumpers4goalposts · 01/05/2025 10:48

I think the best way to solve shortages is to remove tuition fees for medical courses where there are shortages or where we are anticipating shortages and instead offset it against a period of time working within the NHS.

BerryCakewell · 01/05/2025 10:29

Pinkocsb · 30/04/2025 23:24

I’ve just had breast cancer. Detected by a mammogram. Thank goodness. Wouldn’t care who did it, I am just really glad they did and they found it in time. Absolutely no issue with it not being a woman. There are loads of medical things done by professionals - whether they have a willy or not is completely irrelevant!

Not irrelevant to women who have been raped or sexually assaulted and would find intimate procedures by a man retraumatizing.

Shwish · 01/05/2025 10:17

TwinklySquid · 30/04/2025 21:15

How are they going to make this choice avavilble? I’ve been given appointments for gynaecologists who are men and I don’t know until I arrive. Me suddenly deciding on the day I don’t want to see a man is going to make it a pain to schedule. It’s made me super uncomfortable but I feel like if I say something, it is going to cause a problem.

There’s also the issue of people being sick/unavailable on the day. So even if you book to see a woman, you might not get to see them if they aren’t in and only a male is on call.

But I'm this scenario you'd have just had your appointment cancelled with today's rules of women only. So you'd be no worse off if you got there and there were only men and you had to cancel

BlueCleaningCloth · 01/05/2025 09:45

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 30/04/2025 22:21

There are women who'll rather die than being seen by a man. Be it cultural or religious reasons.

That is their right, you can't force medical treatment or intervention on anyone. Same as people of certain religions declining blood transfusions. That's their right.

Nanny0gg · 01/05/2025 09:44

JudithOnHolidayAgain · 29/04/2025 08:35

I have had plenty of male doctors carry out gynae and breast examinations, never been an issue gor me.

Somehow (for me) a mammogram is so up close and personal it feels intimate in a way that a smear or whatever doesn't
I have had breast exams and ultrasound for lumps which again didn't feel so personal

And I find mammograms very painful - I would not like a man to do them

mbosnz · 01/05/2025 09:34

Luckymum20 · 29/04/2025 08:55

I've had pre cancerous cells on my cervix twice. I've had smear tests done by men. Men where present when I have had my children.

These people are professionals. Many years of study. Dedication to saving lives. To regard these male professionals as potential threats is quite frankly disgusting!

What next. Refusing a person of a specific ethnic background? We need to view these professionals as professionals regardless of gender, colour, sexual orientation.

Edited

Having been sexually abused by a nurse in ICU when I was in my teens, I'm afraid I don't have quite such a universally idealised perception of medical professionals. As a result, I genuinely struggle with being in hospitals at all, and feeling so vulnerable.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 01/05/2025 09:27

@JudithOnHolidayAgain I had my routine mammogram yesterday and the radiographer did not know a thing about this!! she agreed that women would not be amenable to this happening!

I still feel that if men had to put their willies into a machine to have it crushed, then they would be looking for an alternative way to check for lumps!!*

Whostolemymojo · 01/05/2025 09:10

I’m currently going through chemo for breast cancer and would never put off screening just because a man was doing it. I’d prefer a woman, yes. But if it was the choice between catching a cancer slightly earlier with a male carrying out a mammogram - or a few mm bigger waiting for a female, it’s a no brainer. Generally, the earlier you catch it = the less brutal the treatment. Chemo sucks way more than a male radiographer touching your boob for a few seconds…

x

Americano75 · 01/05/2025 08:38

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 01/05/2025 08:15

This. Once you’ve sat down opposite a doctor telling you you have cancer, your whole perspective changes and the focus shifts to the best way to treat and cure. Unless it’s lived experience, l don’t think people can appreciate how terrifying it is to be told you have a tumour you wouldn’t even have known was there if not for the mammogram.

I’m quite surprised by the level of sexism here too. Wondering how a similar discussion of the appropriateness of female HCPs to some ‘intimate’ male healthcare procedures would go.

I can appreciate it to a degree - high grade DCIS in two areas of my right breast for which the only option was full mastectomy. Female breast surgeon but male plastic surgeon for reconstruction. 100% saved my life.

My annual mammogram is in a few weeks and I still wouldn't want a man carrying it out.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 01/05/2025 08:30

Cockerdileteef · 01/05/2025 08:18

On the contrary, I think we all want to see the maximum number of women having potentially life-saving screening. But this isn't a symptomatic population, you have to get people over the doorstep. Therefore it's important to remove as many barriers as possible, looking at the cohort as a whole.

A male mammographer wouldn’t necessarily be a barrier as long as there is a choice. But l think women have to accept that you can’t force healthcare professionals to specialise in any one area. So if female staff shortages persist, there will be an expectation of delay if you specify a female mammographer. From the responses here l suspect that many women would opt for a male mammographer rather than wait, so perhaps this would mitigate the waiting times and free up more female staff.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 01/05/2025 08:24

JenniferBooth · 30/04/2025 13:06

They manage to produce it when a man has a vasectomy

GA isn’t offered for vasectomy unless there’s a medical reason - simple fear of the procedure is not a valid reason because of the risk a GA poses, as opposed to a local. I’ve known two men who’ve had vasectomies. In each case a GA was necessary because complications were anticipated. In each case they waited longer because of the preparation needed - pre op assessment, a bed in a day ward and the involvement of a anaesthetist. As l said before, this is not specifically female issue.