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To think that having a mammogram carried out by a man is preferable to a long wait for an appointment.

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JudithOnHolidayAgain · 29/04/2025 08:29

I know many people who wouldn't be here now without early detection of breast cancer due to the screening programme.
I have had a few myself.
It's not something I look forward to but it's a few minutes of discomfort that could save my life so I put up with it.
Given the choice I would prefer a woman carry it out as it is quite intrusive but as there is a shortage of female staff I would be ok with a male member of staff as long as there was a chaperone and Iwas told in advance.
If they do change the rules I think there should be a choice.

OP posts:
MelindaMermaid · 29/04/2025 15:21

The13thFairy · 29/04/2025 12:07

I would be open to consider a man in an emergency, but not if he was under the delusion that he was a woman.

I don’t care as long as I get the correct diagnosis or all-clear. A drag queen in full makeup and sequins could do the mammogram or ultrasound or both.

lifeonmars100 · 29/04/2025 15:20

Finallydoingit24 · 29/04/2025 15:04

Why do women choose them? Seriously? Why does a woman choose a career where she is constantly putting her hands up women’s vaginas?
It’s so offensive to imply that a man must be wanting to be a nurse/primary school teacher/ gynaecologist/ whatever for nefarious reasons.

I assume that a female gynaecologist will at least know what it is like to have periods, smear tests and at some stage go through the menopause. She also know first hand how challenging it can be finding a method of contraception that suits her and she may also have been pregnant and given birth. I am guessing that this will hopefully give her insight and empathy and a wish to improve women's health. I had horrific periods and the female I saw at the hospital really got what it was like have blood soaked clothes half an hour after leaving the house. Of course a female gynaecologist could have sailed through her reproductive and post-reproductive life without a twinge or a single symptom and not really get why other women have problems. I just find it easier to understand what might motivate a woman to train in gynaecology than a man.

Shwish · 29/04/2025 15:20

HesDeadBenYouCanStopNow · 29/04/2025 14:59

It would be interesting to poll the number of people that object to males undertaking their mammograms and whether they are survivors of sexual assault. The ‘can’t understand the drama’ crew may be a lucky group that haven’t suffered abuse, humiliation and degradation from males. In which case I’m happy for you, but please don’t describe my views as drama,

I think you were referring to me here. I actually have suffered SA (attempted rape aged 15 by a 32 year old man) so I do understand why some people - me included would PREFER a woman. But it's already the case that men work in gynae. Why is this different?

Enigma53 · 29/04/2025 15:18

Gloriia · 29/04/2025 13:57

It's interesting isn it how we are all so different. I have to have a regular procedure that people ask for sedation for, or mris where people need valium to get through it. I could lie there hours with the clattering and banging it's strangely therapeutic Grin.

Mammograms though, ugh. All so rough and faffy. 'Hand here, no like this no there up a bit down a bit'. OMG.

Edited

Now you’ve mentioned it, yes, they are a faff! I too have had MRI scans coming out my ears. I use them as opportunities to plan my day ahead ( well if they weren’t so damm noisy ( another debate eh?)

Iheartmysmart · 29/04/2025 15:11

@HesDeadBenYouCanStopNow I was a victim of SA when I was just 12 and would very much refuse a mammogram carried out by a male.

A former colleague was involved in an incident several years ago whereby a male GP at her practice was secretly filming intimate examinations. The footage included her and obviously she was distraught and was in a very bad place for a long time. I’m very wary of male health care providers in any capacity now.

Gloriia · 29/04/2025 15:10

HesDeadBenYouCanStopNow · 29/04/2025 14:59

It would be interesting to poll the number of people that object to males undertaking their mammograms and whether they are survivors of sexual assault. The ‘can’t understand the drama’ crew may be a lucky group that haven’t suffered abuse, humiliation and degradation from males. In which case I’m happy for you, but please don’t describe my views as drama,

I'm not a sa survivor but still object to men performing a highly hands on, close up mammogram.
Mind I'm not a fan of male midwives either.

Gloriia · 29/04/2025 15:08

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 29/04/2025 14:31

Omg how arrogant are you?
You presume to know how men feel about it?
You honestly think it's like getting an arm x-rayed?
Wow, v ignorant of any phyysical or psychological impact upon a man

I'm not arrogant in the slightest merely pointing out the very obvious that men don't view their 'breasts' in the same way that women do.
Yes it is like getting an arm an xrayed for men, or an uss to check for tumours in other body areas.

Finallydoingit24 · 29/04/2025 15:04

Strawber · 29/04/2025 14:55

So why do men choose these specific women centred careers. Serious question why??

Why do women choose them? Seriously? Why does a woman choose a career where she is constantly putting her hands up women’s vaginas?
It’s so offensive to imply that a man must be wanting to be a nurse/primary school teacher/ gynaecologist/ whatever for nefarious reasons.

HesDeadBenYouCanStopNow · 29/04/2025 14:59

It would be interesting to poll the number of people that object to males undertaking their mammograms and whether they are survivors of sexual assault. The ‘can’t understand the drama’ crew may be a lucky group that haven’t suffered abuse, humiliation and degradation from males. In which case I’m happy for you, but please don’t describe my views as drama,

Sunshineandgrapefruit · 29/04/2025 14:59

I think having a chaperone is key. Mammograms are quite brutal and very invasive. Ditto smears/ internal scans etc. I would prefer a woman. If it has to be a man then there must be a female chaperone.

shellyleppard · 29/04/2025 14:58

If it was an urgent situation then yes I would be happy to have a male do the mammogram. Normal situation prefer a female. But have seen male specialists/consultants for breast issues so 🤔

Strawber · 29/04/2025 14:55

So why do men choose these specific women centred careers. Serious question why??

BlueCleaningCloth · 29/04/2025 14:55

Shwish · 29/04/2025 14:50

100% agree with you and don't understand the drama this appears to be creating. Men can do smear tests, deliver babies, work in gynae. What's the difference? Id rather have a male HEALTHCARE WORKER touch my boobs than my fanny. Wouldn't most people? And I'd also rather a male HEALTHCARE WORKER than having to wait ages for an appointment with a woman. Everyone knows you have a much better chance of curing cancer that's found early

I think it just comes down to the NHS not being clear enough. So many people misunderstand and are under the impression you're entitled to choose the gender of your clinician. You can't. You can decline treatment or care if it's by someone you don't want to help you. But you have zero right to demand something that might not even be able to be offered.

I think it can be quite dangerous honestly, some people would literally rather delay lifesaving treatment or screenings due to it, under the belief they'll demand and be given exactly who they want to treat them just as swiftly as what they were originally offered.

Shwish · 29/04/2025 14:50

JudithOnHolidayAgain · 29/04/2025 11:04

The issue is that there are not enough women available to fill all of the vacancies. I would rather have a man carry it out than have to wait longer than necessary. Imagine having to wait longer after finding a lump?

100% agree with you and don't understand the drama this appears to be creating. Men can do smear tests, deliver babies, work in gynae. What's the difference? Id rather have a male HEALTHCARE WORKER touch my boobs than my fanny. Wouldn't most people? And I'd also rather a male HEALTHCARE WORKER than having to wait ages for an appointment with a woman. Everyone knows you have a much better chance of curing cancer that's found early

Starlightstarbright4 · 29/04/2025 14:46

I wouldn’t go if it was male . Maybe different if it was a lump that I was concerned about about - but then I have a history of of SA with my childhood Gp .

I still always try to see a female Gp given a choice .

driedgrasses · 29/04/2025 14:36

I don't go for breast screening, but if I did, I'd definitely want it to be a woman. I couldn't manage with a man doing it.

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 29/04/2025 14:31

Gloriia · 29/04/2025 13:28

It is nothing like the other way round. Men don't care if they have tests on their 'breasts' as they aren't actually breasts like women's <obviously>. It is just tissue to them like having an arm xrayed.

Omg how arrogant are you?
You presume to know how men feel about it?
You honestly think it's like getting an arm x-rayed?
Wow, v ignorant of any phyysical or psychological impact upon a man

Dogpawsandcatwhiskers · 29/04/2025 14:27

Recently had a gynae cancer scare and am on a 2ww for biopsy results. My GP, ultrasonographer and gynaecologist were all male. I was asked each time by the medical secretary when booking appointments whether I minded so was given a choice. TBH I'd rather a quicker consultation and hopefully resolution of the problem than wait in the female staff patient queue.

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 29/04/2025 14:26

BlueCleaningCloth · 29/04/2025 14:22

This whole thread indicates to me that people have no idea what level of training and knowledge clinicians need to carry out mammograms. It's something any old pervert can do a weekend course on to get access to women's breasts. Meanwhile you can train up a practice nurse quickly and cheaply to do it to save women from it being delivered by a qualified accredited male professional.

Hear, hear

Lovelyview · 29/04/2025 14:25

PinkPonyPugClub · 29/04/2025 13:09

You are free to opt out, just accept the consequences of it and free up appointments for others.

You really are unpleasant. Telling someone who has been sexually assaulted by a medical professional that they can 'free up appointments' by opting out of screening is appalling and unnecessary. I don't know why you're like this but have a word with yourself. I hope you don't work anywhere that kindness and empathy are required.

BlueCleaningCloth · 29/04/2025 14:22

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 29/04/2025 13:10

Do you have any idea what background knowledge is required to do a mammogram and use radiation safely? A degree, years of postgrad experience amd further training. It isn't something a woman with a spare couple of hours a week can do
Don't you think the society of radiographers may have already explored this, but obviously it isn't tenable or they wouldn't have resorted to allowing males to do it

This whole thread indicates to me that people have no idea what level of training and knowledge clinicians need to carry out mammograms. It's something any old pervert can do a weekend course on to get access to women's breasts. Meanwhile you can train up a practice nurse quickly and cheaply to do it to save women from it being delivered by a qualified accredited male professional.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 29/04/2025 14:21

But the mammograms don't require a chaperone at the moment, do they, @Pearl69? I didn't have one when I went for mine last year - so in this specific instance, male techs needing a chaperone would add to the staffing needs of the mammogram clinic, wouldn't they?

Pearl69 · 29/04/2025 14:14

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 29/04/2025 14:07

@Pearl69 - having a male mammogram tech and a chaperone would cost the NHS more. Having a female tech makes more economical sense.

I had a chaperone during the GP exam and during my Breast clinic appointment too even though it was a female consultant . Just seems to be the norm these days.

Enigma53 · 29/04/2025 14:12

I understand the argument for choice. That some women may struggle with a man performing an invasive procedure. Victims of SA, DV etc.

Perhaps a simple questionnaire is needed, for women to tick whether they would prefer a male or female radiographer? 🤷‍♀️

In my unfortunate experience of dealing with multiple cancers, including breast
( so annual mammograms/ males examining my reconstruction, therefore touching my naked from waist up body) male gynaes with gloved hands feeling for a pelvic mass and so on; well you do kind of just zone out. BUT from reading many posts on this thread, do understand why it is a no for many.

Finallydoingit24 · 29/04/2025 14:08

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 29/04/2025 14:02

I suspect that, because doctors were historically always men, and may well still be in the majority, women are resigned to having to put up with male gynaecologists and breast surgeons, but as mammograms are always carried out by women, we haven't had to develop the same resignation.

As male mammogram techs would need to have a chaperone present, won't this end up making the service more expensive - as well as potentially putting off some women?

Also, I can't see how they would always be able to offer women the choice of having a male or female tech doing their mammogram - when I get mine, it's in a caravan in Morrison's carpark, and there is only one tech there - so a whole day's worth of mammograms are, I assume, done by the same tech. So they would have to have a whole day's worth of appointments all with a male tech. Presumably the appointment letter would have to say "When you come for your mammogram, it will be done by Geoff, our new, male tech. Please ring and cancel your appointment if you don't want a male technician squishing and manipulating your boobs (and hope we don't put you back to the bottom of the list as a consequence)". Then if only a handful of women are happy to have Geoff do their mammogram, the van will be standing idle for the rest of the day.

And what if, due to sickness, Geoff has to take over in Morrison's car park, and I walk in expecting a female mammogram tech, and find Geoff there - I am sure many women would find that a bit unsettling - I certainly would - but might feel they had no choice but to accept Geoff's ministrations if they wanted to get their mammogram done.

Can anyone tell me, for a certainty, that men never choose gynaecology or breast surgery as their field of study, because they like the access it gives them to women's bodies? I doubt they can, and I don't see any reason why mammogram technician would be any different.

Unless you’re about 80 years old doctors have definitely not always been men and as long as I have been alive, it’s always been an option to request a female GP for example. The comments about choosing gynaecology to get access to women’s bodies might apply to a very small number but definitely not most men working in that field. They do it for the same reasons as women working in that job do - usually they find it interesting and want to help people. Would you ask a woman whether she chose to be a mammographer because she enjoys touching women’s tits? No because it’s offensive.