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To think that having a mammogram carried out by a man is preferable to a long wait for an appointment.

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JudithOnHolidayAgain · 29/04/2025 08:29

I know many people who wouldn't be here now without early detection of breast cancer due to the screening programme.
I have had a few myself.
It's not something I look forward to but it's a few minutes of discomfort that could save my life so I put up with it.
Given the choice I would prefer a woman carry it out as it is quite intrusive but as there is a shortage of female staff I would be ok with a male member of staff as long as there was a chaperone and Iwas told in advance.
If they do change the rules I think there should be a choice.

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Jeschara · 29/04/2025 20:43

I would not mind at all.

Shwish · 29/04/2025 20:39

Soontobe60 · 29/04/2025 19:58

So those of us who are unable to see a man for a mammogram should go to the back of the queue? How very magnanimous of you.

Don't be ridiculous. You'd be seen quicker because all the people who aren't bothered who they see would be removed from the women only list MAKING IT SHORTER.
Sure we might get seen quicker than you but that's not really any of your business is it? You want to not allow others a shorter wait because you're not willing to take the less preferred choice of practitioner? Even though it doesn't affect you? Talk about selfish.

FOJN · 29/04/2025 20:37

What do people mean when they say being seen earlier will reduce their risk of dying?
Why do people willingly submit themselves to routine screening without having the faintest idea about its purpose and limits?

Do posters realise that a mammogram is not a diagnostic test for cancer? It's a routine screening procedure which detects changes in breast tissue which could POTENTIALLY be cancer.

Changes in breast tissue can occur for reasons that are not cancer. It's more effective than breast self examination because it can detect changes before a lump is palpable, early detection means early treatment. In my area you are invited for screening once every 3 years, they are pretty bloody efficient, I had my first mammogram when I was 49 and my second at 52. If changes are detected you will be referred to clinic for further investigation the same as if you found a breast lump at home.

If you detect a lump between mammograms your GP will refer you to a breast lump clinic where you will be examined, have an ultrasound and a fine needle aspiration. The cells from the FNA will be analysed whilst you are in clinic and you will be given results and information about any follow up on the day. This should take place within 2 weeks of your visit to the GP.

Male radiographers have not previously done mammograms so will need training. Why choose to train men instead of women when 70% of radiographers are female?

Flakeypastry · 29/04/2025 20:36

ThisWOMANWontWheesht · 29/04/2025 20:10

No. You have not had a male nurse do a mammogram on you.

I agree- Least ways a nurse won’t be undertaking a mammogram in the U.K.

it’s disappointing that many people do not understand what a radiographer is and often seem to believe that they are nurses.

nurses do not and can not carry out X-rays/mamograms etc. The word Radiographer is a protected professional title which requires a degree in radiography and professional HCPC registration. I think nurses ( nmc registered and with a degree in nursing) are great but they are nurses and not radiographers and do not carry out imaging with radiation. . Ensuring people know what and who radiographers are is something I would like to see the society of radiographers, politicians and the media promote and improve. Public knowledge of the profession would encourage training numbers and reduce vacancy rates

IsItTheBlackOneOrTheRedOne · 29/04/2025 20:32

HepzibahGreen · 29/04/2025 09:08

I had my first mammogram recently and I was quite shocked by it. They really grab and push you into position repeatedly. It was forceful. ( I do have small breasts). If this has been done by a man I would have been upset, rather than being able to laugh about it later. If I had a history of sexual violence I would have found it traumatizing

I agree. It’s not some vanity thing where we think our breasts are so sexy and we are being precious.
I had breast cancer. During the mammogram, right after the doctor assessed the lump, I burst into tears ( I absolutely hate mammograms I find them so painful and I was already traumatised) The female mammographer came around from the machine and put her arms round me and gave me a hug which I appreciated. Obviously I was topless.
Prior to the surgery I had to have wires pushed through my breast. Two female mammographers had to sort of hold me in a vice while they injected me with things and carried out a procedure that was more painful than the surgery.
It took around an hour. They were amazing, kind and professional and I remember them getting me to chat a bit, sharing about their kids, anything to try and make the process bearable.
Mammograms can be really traumatic. The women who are expert at working there know this, they can relate. Men doing it, for me, would have felt humiliating and sadistic.
Given the choice I would not have a male mammographer. Train more women.

I’m so sorry you had to go through that and don’t want to derail but honestly why tf do we not have proper painkillers for this kind of thing? Holding you in a vice?? Chatting? Fuck off and give us the readily available pain relief / sedation that exists. Probably in that cupboard just over there.

Shwish · 29/04/2025 20:28

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius the choice is wait for a woman and wait longer (because there a shortage, that's the whole point) or accept a man if that's available quicker and be seen quicker.
I can't imagine anyone would actively prefer a man, but plenty would be happy enough if it meant the wait was shorter.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 29/04/2025 20:18

@Shwish - why does there need to be more choice? I can’t imagine there are many women who would actively prefer to have their mammogram done by a man, so why do we need that choice? I think there is a world of difference between “If it saves my life, I’d be OK with it” - which we have seen on here, and “I want a man, NOT a woman doing my mammogram” - which I don’t think I have ever seen.

ThisWOMANWontWheesht · 29/04/2025 20:10

Moier · 29/04/2025 19:48

Blimey I've had a male nurse do one.
A male gynaecologist.. a male nurse helping me on a camode and wiping my bits.
What's the problem?.

No. You have not had a male nurse do a mammogram on you.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 29/04/2025 20:10

Soontobe60 · 29/04/2025 19:58

So those of us who are unable to see a man for a mammogram should go to the back of the queue? How very magnanimous of you.

I think the point is that there would be 2 queues instead of one.

Finallydoingit24 · 29/04/2025 20:03

Soontobe60 · 29/04/2025 19:58

So those of us who are unable to see a man for a mammogram should go to the back of the queue? How very magnanimous of you.

What? How do you get that? You’d see a woman instead, not go to the back of any queue.

Soontobe60 · 29/04/2025 19:58

Shwish · 29/04/2025 19:29

Maybe. Seems to me it's adding a choice. I can choose to wait for a woman or get seen earlier if I'm happy to accept a man.
The only people who seem to be eroding choice are those saying men shouldn't be allowed to fill the roles

So those of us who are unable to see a man for a mammogram should go to the back of the queue? How very magnanimous of you.

Moier · 29/04/2025 19:48

Blimey I've had a male nurse do one.
A male gynaecologist.. a male nurse helping me on a camode and wiping my bits.
What's the problem?.

Soontobe60 · 29/04/2025 19:42

Happyspendingthedayinthegarden · 29/04/2025 08:32

I agree. Men have given women gynae examinations for years, we have male midwives etc. I'd rather be seen by a man than die of breast cancer.

The point is, women are NOT having late diagnoses of breast cancer due to a lack of female radiographers.
I would like to see the statistics on how many women are not having mammograms within the NHS timescales because theres a shortage of staff, plus how many women do have their mammograms within the NHS timescales and are diagnosed with cancer.
The whole - “men should be trained up because theres not enough radiographers to carry out screening” is a complete red herring.

Flakeypastry · 29/04/2025 19:41

Radiography nationally has a 15% vacancy rate. Whether it’s male or female radiographers undertaking the mammograms the vacancy rate is still 15%. This is a non and distracting argument from the society of radiographers (SOR) as it will not change the overall vacancy rate. More important would be improvements to training numbers and pay and retention across the whole radiography profession.

Finally, recent NHS finance constraints are also causing services and staffing numbers across all professions (not just radiographers) to be reduced to cut costs.

SunnyViper · 29/04/2025 19:34

Lovelyview · 29/04/2025 17:51

If you make having a mammogram even more unpleasant then the likelihood is more women will opt out. I'm baffled that you think this is a good outcome.

This thread indicates that there is a significant proportion of women who don’t care. As long as there is choice then more mammograms is best outcome.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 29/04/2025 19:32

MelindaMermaid · 29/04/2025 19:21

Yes, it was all explained beforehand - by a male physician associate who examined me with a female chaperone present.

And you can’t see how that is different to finding out that your intimate examination has been secretly filmed, @MelindaMermaid? You knew there was a sound reason for the photos that were taken, it was explained and, I hope, done with as much care for your dignity as possible.

Contrast that with secret videos of intimate examinations of women - no explanation, or consent, and no good reason for him taking the videos. I’d go further and say that the only reason someone would take clandestine videos like that is for their own perverted pleasure - wank fodder, basically.

There is a huge difference between the clinical photos that you had taken, and these nasty videos. I would imagine that the victims of this filming felt deeply violated, and it has damaged their trust in health care professionals.

Shwish · 29/04/2025 19:29

saltinesandcoffeecups · 29/04/2025 19:22

I think the running theory is that allowing the choice will erode the women only option.

I’m not sure I agree with that and it just means that there will be longer wait times for everyone.

Maybe. Seems to me it's adding a choice. I can choose to wait for a woman or get seen earlier if I'm happy to accept a man.
The only people who seem to be eroding choice are those saying men shouldn't be allowed to fill the roles

saltinesandcoffeecups · 29/04/2025 19:22

Shwish · 29/04/2025 19:13

But this makes no sense! The women who won't allow a man to do their mammogram can wait for a woman. Why should others have to wait longer than necessary? Surely even those who are waiting for women will now wait LESS time as there will be less of a backlog. You might want a woman or nothing and that's fine. But I'd prefer to lower my chances of breast cancer being caught late.

I think the running theory is that allowing the choice will erode the women only option.

I’m not sure I agree with that and it just means that there will be longer wait times for everyone.

MelindaMermaid · 29/04/2025 19:21

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 29/04/2025 18:31

It’s not done without your knowledge - the photos are necessary for guidance during the reconstructive surgery. And it’s all explained beforehand. The multi disciplinary team are made up of highly skilled experts in their field - it’s a necessary evil and l like to think the images are treated with sensitivity during the discussions.

Yes, it was all explained beforehand - by a male physician associate who examined me with a female chaperone present.

Shwish · 29/04/2025 19:13

Dearg · 29/04/2025 18:33

For me, the issue is that, like everything else in our NHS, there really is unlikely to be a choice. Women will be bullied into taking what is offered or missing out.

So, those women who are comfortable with this won’t have to die. But others may.

But this makes no sense! The women who won't allow a man to do their mammogram can wait for a woman. Why should others have to wait longer than necessary? Surely even those who are waiting for women will now wait LESS time as there will be less of a backlog. You might want a woman or nothing and that's fine. But I'd prefer to lower my chances of breast cancer being caught late.

ThisWOMANWontWheesht · 29/04/2025 19:11

Missey85 · 29/04/2025 17:15

How do you know the woman you get isn't a lesbian doing the job to feel up ladies boobs? Why only men?

I didn’t say anything about anyone - male or female - doing the job “to feel up ladies boobs”
Confused

Jb0011 · 29/04/2025 19:07

Fr33asaB1rd · 29/04/2025 19:04

So they can choose to wait however those that wish to be seen sooner most definitely should have the option experts are calling for.

No-one said they shouldn't though

HesDeadBenYouCanStopNow · 29/04/2025 19:07

@Shwishmy assault has left me with a phobia of having my breasts exposed and touched, having man manhandle me would be very upsetting and I would wait a long time, and travel a long distance to avoid that. I don’t have the same reaction for gynae but I’ve never been alone in a room during a gynae exam that involved a man, and smears have always been by a woman. My male consultant during pregnancy did make me uncomfortable but not the same level of distress

Fr33asaB1rd · 29/04/2025 19:04

Jb0011 · 29/04/2025 19:00

And that's fine,but pushing it like it's the best option isn't on. Lots of people have lots of reasons for not wanting a nan to carry out an invasive procedure

So they can choose to wait however those that wish to be seen sooner most definitely should have the option experts are calling for.

Dearg · 29/04/2025 19:03

Finallydoingit24 · 29/04/2025 18:39

Really? Because I get asked at my GP if I want a female doctor and I never get the impression that I will be bullied if I say yes.

Well that’s my experience, here in rural Scotland. Glad yours is better.

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