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AIBU to think there must be something wrong?

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Warmerdays · 28/04/2025 21:00

Have you ever come across anyone who is so so unpleasant, so rude, so disrespectful that you start to feel genuinely worried about them and think they must have some un-diagnosed issue? My SIL has always been “savage” shall we say. She does not seem to have any self awareness, doesn’t seem to recognise when she is being disrespectful, cant see that her actions have consequences, her attitude has been getting worse and worse towards family and friends and she does not seem to care. She pushed my son out of her way the other day, said “oops” and carried on. She barges her way through people and places and just does not care. Im starting to think menopause? What are some symptoms of a personality disorder? ADHD? Someone cant possibly be so unpleasant without an explanation? Her mother (my mil) is terrified to open her mouth because sil is vile towards her. She lives with her parents, no bf/family/children so no family stresses. I feel like telling her perhaps she should see a Dr as her behaviour is getting worse and worse.

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VoltaireMittyDream · 29/04/2025 00:05

I dunno, I’m perimenopausal with ADHD and sometimes feel like I’m bordering on sociopath territory! Kidding. But only just 😬 Contrary to MN doctrine we’re not all saints with superpowers and Christ-like empathy. We can be selfish reactive shits just like anyone else.

Anyway, to your point, OP, I get your need to understand why your SIL is like this - particularly if she still lives at home and has failed to launch, which suggests she has considerable difficulties with adult life & people & the world in general.

And it is easier to feel compassion for someone who has A Condition than it is for someone who’s just being a horrific twat all the time. There’s also something quite scary about the idea that people can just go around being nasty for no reason at all. We want to understand what underpins it - often in the hope that this might unlock some way to stop the behaviour.

But as others have said, all you can do is protect yourself and try to keep firm and fair boundaries. She sounds awful.

BobbyBiscuits · 29/04/2025 00:00

ADHD doesn't make people rude or unpleasant.
Even borderline personality disorder doesn't necessarily do that.
And menopause isn't an illness or disorder?
You sound quite ignorant.
What difference does it make what you think as she's hardly going to go and get a diagnosis just because you think she's horrible?
You don't seem like you want to help her either.

JorgyPorgy · 28/04/2025 23:57

It does sound like she has some behavioural and emotional problems , Tell her her behaviour isn’t normal.

SoMauveMonty · 28/04/2025 23:53

Warmerdays · 28/04/2025 22:11

Husband has suggested this, resulting in a severe outburst from SIL and their father telling my DH that he has no right to speak to his sister like that, and they will not be throwing anyone out.

It's a complete head scratcher then OP.
If your FiL is complicit in her behaviour there's not much you can do. Must be horribly frustrating for your DH.
Maybe your hunch is right & there is something going on with her you're unaware of. Or it's just your FiL is incapable of standing up to her.

TattooedRugbyDad · 28/04/2025 23:49

FortyElephants · 28/04/2025 21:01

Menopause and ADHD? Do you know how offensive that is?

I agree! My son is Autistic and has ADHD and is the most politest kid, he is so respectful so using ADHD as an excuse for brat behaviour isnt right.

CavalierApproach · 28/04/2025 22:20

I think it’s pretty understandable that you’re seeking answers and wondering if there’s something going on that would kind of explain her particular combination of odd life choices and hurtful behaviour.

It’s one thing to challenge her on it and hold her accountable if she’s just a nasty person — quite another to try and do so if she turns out to have a mental illness or something.

Warmerdays · 28/04/2025 22:13

MightAsWellBeGretel · 28/04/2025 22:05

She lives with her parents, no bf/family/children so no family stresses. I feel like telling her perhaps she should see a Dr as her behaviour is getting worse and worse.

See, the thought of being old enough to be going through menopause and living with my parents does sound stressful to me.

Unless there's a specific reason (disabilitiy or caring duties, for example), it's unusual and smacks of failure to launch. That hints at some sort of issue, IMO. Perhaps it's frustration with her life or general unhappiness?

Whatever tbe reason, it's not really your business unless she asks for advice. I'd be staying away as much as possible.

No reason that she still lives home. She tried going to uni years ago and staying in the halls of residence, i think this lasted about a month for her and she decided to travel and continue to live with parents x

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Warmerdays · 28/04/2025 22:11

SoMauveMonty · 28/04/2025 22:06

This. She's always been a nasty piece of work, she's getting worse because it sounds like there's never been any consequences for her of that. She's still living at home but makes her mum cry most days? Honestly, sod that. If that was my sister treating my mum like that i'd have her bags packed and out the door.

Husband has suggested this, resulting in a severe outburst from SIL and their father telling my DH that he has no right to speak to his sister like that, and they will not be throwing anyone out.

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SoMauveMonty · 28/04/2025 22:06

Jshrbt · 28/04/2025 21:35

Enabling these people is what makes it worse; whether there’s an underlying reason or not, it’s that they get to act like this without consequence.

This. She's always been a nasty piece of work, she's getting worse because it sounds like there's never been any consequences for her of that. She's still living at home but makes her mum cry most days? Honestly, sod that. If that was my sister treating my mum like that i'd have her bags packed and out the door.

MightAsWellBeGretel · 28/04/2025 22:05

She lives with her parents, no bf/family/children so no family stresses. I feel like telling her perhaps she should see a Dr as her behaviour is getting worse and worse.

See, the thought of being old enough to be going through menopause and living with my parents does sound stressful to me.

Unless there's a specific reason (disabilitiy or caring duties, for example), it's unusual and smacks of failure to launch. That hints at some sort of issue, IMO. Perhaps it's frustration with her life or general unhappiness?

Whatever tbe reason, it's not really your business unless she asks for advice. I'd be staying away as much as possible.

Dwells · 28/04/2025 22:00

Is she manipulative? Or able to charm to get what she wants? If so then she is aware of her bad behaviour.

PineappleChicken · 28/04/2025 21:58

Stop being such a load of wet blankets and stand up to her for goodness sake. Why is her brother allowing her to be so vile towards their parents? Why hasn’t he read her the riot act? Undiagnosed whatever or not, it does not give anyone the right to behave like a disgusting piece of shit towards others.

Warmerdays · 28/04/2025 21:51

HarpSnail · 28/04/2025 21:49

I don’t understand why you’re set on pathologising her behaviour. What difference does it make to your response whether she pushed your son because of some possible undiagnosed condition which makes her aggressive or because she’s a deeply unpleasant, violent individual?

I think its because i have a gut feeling something is going on. I mean she claims to adore him

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HarpSnail · 28/04/2025 21:49

I don’t understand why you’re set on pathologising her behaviour. What difference does it make to your response whether she pushed your son because of some possible undiagnosed condition which makes her aggressive or because she’s a deeply unpleasant, violent individual?

Warmerdays · 28/04/2025 21:49

Dwells · 28/04/2025 21:40

If you feel unsafe around this person then it's time to distance or speak up. The MIL needs to stand up to this woman quite frankly if she's living with her what a nightmare.

Early onset dementia could explain a change in behaviour, personality and coordination like you say about barging, it can cause mood swings.

Personality disorders can present these kinds of behaviour but it's really a mute point as she's a grown adult and has an understanding her actions have an impact on other people.

These people need to be stood up to, otherwise they think they can continue to bully and trample over everyone else. I know easier said than done but probably a good thing she doesn't have family of her own to pass down the toxicity.

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Thats interesting, shes 45. I do genuinely think there is something going on, yes shes always been unpleasant, but its the getting worse and not caring, even if you were to point oht to her she would react in anger that you would dare insinuate that she was wrong.

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Warmerdays · 28/04/2025 21:41

ShodAndShadySenators · 28/04/2025 21:36

How did you deal with her pushing your son? You didn't say how old he is but I'd find it really difficult to ignore that sort of thing. However young/old my kid is, you assault him in front of me at your peril - I would not be able to hold back from lambasting her for that. I know it wouldn't hurt a person but it's the total lack of respect...

Are people afraid to confront her because she is likely to become violent, or is she just abusive in her speech?

She has physically assaulted a family member before yes as well as verbally abusive in her speech.

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Dwells · 28/04/2025 21:40

If you feel unsafe around this person then it's time to distance or speak up. The MIL needs to stand up to this woman quite frankly if she's living with her what a nightmare.

Early onset dementia could explain a change in behaviour, personality and coordination like you say about barging, it can cause mood swings.

Personality disorders can present these kinds of behaviour but it's really a mute point as she's a grown adult and has an understanding her actions have an impact on other people.

These people need to be stood up to, otherwise they think they can continue to bully and trample over everyone else. I know easier said than done but probably a good thing she doesn't have family of her own to pass down the toxicity.

Warmerdays · 28/04/2025 21:37

Jabberwok · 28/04/2025 21:31

I've come to realise as I get older that some people are just plain nasty and self centred. On mn it's also referred to as narcissism, it's not, it's just being completely focused on yourself because you are jealous of others and so make sure you are the centre of the world or being so selfish that you don't care about your impact on the world around you.
Thankfully, as I've got older I will tell these people exactly what I think of them or their actions...an example this weekend, the parent who stopped their family in front of a flight of steps, blocking any one using them...my response was a loud "no you carry on I didn't want to walk up the steps anyway" embarrassed them into moving.
I've also cut out anyone who behaves in such a manner from my life, except my sister in law who I am/have put up with for mil sake...but when mil passes, she will be in for a shock because she is so.self centred, rude, and unpleasant it's likely the whole family will cut her off.

Thank you. I need to grow a backbone it seems

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ShodAndShadySenators · 28/04/2025 21:36

How did you deal with her pushing your son? You didn't say how old he is but I'd find it really difficult to ignore that sort of thing. However young/old my kid is, you assault him in front of me at your peril - I would not be able to hold back from lambasting her for that. I know it wouldn't hurt a person but it's the total lack of respect...

Are people afraid to confront her because she is likely to become violent, or is she just abusive in her speech?

Warmerdays · 28/04/2025 21:35

Barrenfieldoffucks · 28/04/2025 21:26

What on earth does her being a rude a-hole have to do with ADHD?!

ok so this answers my question. I dont know anything about ADHD like I said above it was someone else’s suggestion to explain her lack of self awareness. Like i say not my suggestion.

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Jshrbt · 28/04/2025 21:35

Enabling these people is what makes it worse; whether there’s an underlying reason or not, it’s that they get to act like this without consequence.

Jabberwok · 28/04/2025 21:31

I've come to realise as I get older that some people are just plain nasty and self centred. On mn it's also referred to as narcissism, it's not, it's just being completely focused on yourself because you are jealous of others and so make sure you are the centre of the world or being so selfish that you don't care about your impact on the world around you.
Thankfully, as I've got older I will tell these people exactly what I think of them or their actions...an example this weekend, the parent who stopped their family in front of a flight of steps, blocking any one using them...my response was a loud "no you carry on I didn't want to walk up the steps anyway" embarrassed them into moving.
I've also cut out anyone who behaves in such a manner from my life, except my sister in law who I am/have put up with for mil sake...but when mil passes, she will be in for a shock because she is so.self centred, rude, and unpleasant it's likely the whole family will cut her off.

pimplebum · 28/04/2025 21:31

Can you embolden MIL to ask her to move out?

stage an intervention

Barrenfieldoffucks · 28/04/2025 21:26

What on earth does her being a rude a-hole have to do with ADHD?!

Warmerdays · 28/04/2025 21:25

Legomania · 28/04/2025 21:20

Has no-one said to her "FGS Rachel, what is your problem lately?"

I mean when I say shes become unpleasant , people have become genuinely quite scared of her. I think MIL tried to raise the subject one evening and it did not end well.

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