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AIBU to think it's strange there's no discussion of latest baby food pouches news on here?

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parakeet · 28/04/2025 18:09

Maybe I've missed it.
Here's the BBC report https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62j0l0gg4go

A toddler with blondey-brown hair sucking a pouch of baby food, which she is holding with both hands. She is wearing a burgundy top and dungarees.

Baby food pouches low in key nutrients, lab testing finds

Parents are being "misled" by marketing from leading baby food companies, experts tell BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62j0l0gg4go

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BadSkiingMum · 05/05/2025 16:22

The issues are all brilliantly set out here on Panorama - one TV show does the work of a thousand reports! And I love a good report….

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002bl1w

BBC One - Panorama, The Truth about Baby Food Pouches

The risks of regularly using baby food pouches in place of homemade meals.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002bl1w

telestrations · 30/04/2025 14:21

Bonbonvanilla · 29/04/2025 17:53

Are they sold as something different to jars?

Pouches didn't exisit when my DC were small. I did use jars very occasionally when travelling, but surely no-one really thinks any of these processed meals are as good as real homecooked food?

This is exactly how I feel. I've used pouches or jars on occasion when visiting friends and family but never regularly, at home, with the expectation that they are as good or better home cooked or using the pooch straw, always with a spoon. It's just common sense and following the NHS guidelines

I can highly recommend getting a baby food maker (steamer, blender and defroster/reheater in one) as it makes it so much easier and if you're looking at £3 a day on this stuff can pay for itself in a few weeks

BogRollBOGOF · 29/04/2025 19:15

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/15/ultra-processed-babies-are-toddler-snacks-one-of-the-great-food-scandals-of-our-time

I was surprised this article didn't get more reaction on MN.

Jars of baby food have been around for a long time. The pouches and baby snacks were relatively new when I was weaning my teenager.

They have their uses, particularly as a spare at the bottom of a changing bag so you know that there's something reliable and suitable to hand at any time. DS1 had food allergies, so we did need a safe, allergen-free option which got used a few times.

As an every days staple they would be bland, expensive and unstimulating for texture. For a small number of infants that struggle with weaning, bland and unstimulating is better than total refusal of solids, but for the majority, this isn't the ideal starting point.

BLW was a big buzz term at the time and I went along with this approach as it just made sense. I had to cook for myself (& DH) anyway, so serving up food that we were eating, or parts of it was easy, and logical for introducing our long term diet. When DS went onto his exclusion diet, I had to cook and adapt anyway (even after a long working day). I wasn't zealous about it and didn't sweat about minor issues like spoons for yoghurt.

The big problem is that a lot of people have a limited idea of what balanced nutrition is anyway, and limited cooking skills. For a long time weaning advice overcomplicated phasing in foods making pre-made baby food the easy solution to the problem (that was probably created by the food companies anyway...) MN is of a much higher literacy and more critical than the average population level so it's not surprising that people take health claims at face value n the front of a pack and don't get much sense from the small print. Lots of people only take advice from what their parents and friends did. Not that the Children's Centres have widespread coverage now.

Food will have fewer benefits when it's been over-cooked and pulverised down. Digestion starts with chewing, so by-passing that with purees is not good for the body's processes. Cooking food long enough to sterilise it changes the structure of it and changes the nutrients. The importance of gut bacteria is a new science and where children's diets are predominently based on sterile, very processed foods rather than a broad range, it will restrict their gut bacteria.

The baby snacks didn't make much sense to me. They weren't filling, didn't have much nutrition and didn't really add anything to a young child's experience of food other than building an expectation to snack out of routine.

As a casual observation, in recent years, there seems to have been a gear change in fussiness of the young people at my youth groups. There's always been the occasional restrictive eater, but there is now a cluster struggling to eat fresh foods (no ND suspected). On residentials, the contents of the fruit bowl go down far less than they did in the 2000s/10s. There is a strong corelation between the ease of eating fruits and the rate at which they get eaten. Grapes, then bananas. Some apples. "Easy peeler" oranges not being touched at all. I suspect that they're more used to instant fruits like grapes and blueberries or pre-prepared fruit salads and just aren't used to having to chew around a whole apple or peel and pick at an orange themselves.

There is a perfect storm of corporate greed/ advertising, lack of general knowledge about health, lack of accessible support and lack of time affecting children's health.

Ultra-processed babies: are toddler snacks one of the great food scandals of our time?

For time-poor parents, straws, sticks, pouches and powders can seem like a quick, convenient and even healthy option. But these oversweetened, mushy foods are creating a generation of choosy consumers whose teeth are already rotting

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/15/ultra-processed-babies-are-toddler-snacks-one-of-the-great-food-scandals-of-our-time

Didimum · 29/04/2025 18:06

Aren’t vast vast majority of babies and 1yr olds who have these pouches on a mainly milk diet anyway? As they say ‘food before one is just for fun’ and milk should be the main source of providing their key nutritional intakes. What is the value in saying they are only X% of daily intake when that’s the case?

Didimum · 29/04/2025 17:58

I’ve seen two threads on this. I think you’ve just missed them, OP.

Bonbonvanilla · 29/04/2025 17:53

Are they sold as something different to jars?

Pouches didn't exisit when my DC were small. I did use jars very occasionally when travelling, but surely no-one really thinks any of these processed meals are as good as real homecooked food?

25a · 29/04/2025 17:23

Notanyreason · 29/04/2025 17:01

Ella’s kitchen is a different company to deliciously Ella?

Oh yes, you're absolutely right

Notanyreason · 29/04/2025 17:01

25a · 29/04/2025 16:14

Ella Mills' family owns Sainsbury's. They are ultra wealthy and unfortunately, profits come before most other things for the ultra rich. It's no surprise that Sainsbury's stocked Ella's Kitchen products before anyone else did, and unfortunately, it wasn't just a business venture for the good of babies across the UK.

Ella’s kitchen is a different company to deliciously Ella?

25a · 29/04/2025 16:14

Unbeleevable · 28/04/2025 18:57

I’m not generally an idiot and I lived with a type1 diabetic for many years, so I did realise that the sugar content in some of these pouches is high. But I hadn’t appreciated how much the mineral and vitamin content can drop compared to home-cooked food.

As a working mum I did use pouches and toddler ready meals - usually if we were out and about or visiting family and maybe a few times a week at home dc might have a fruit pouch or a toddler ready meal.I feel really bad about it now, but at the time it didn’t feel like a terrible choice as long as I didn’t use them all the time and i figured it might be better than eating what I was cooking for dh and I (which might have too much salt in, or be too spicy, or not able to be “mushed up”.)

By the time ds2 came along I was more confident cooking (as dc1 was older I’d had a lot of practice) and dc2 was always less fussy than dc1. I can’t work out if that is because dc1 ate all these identically flavoured ready meals, so when she hit something that tasted different she was more likely to freak out.

It makes me really sad because Ella’s Kitchen appears to have amazing values, it’s hard to imagine that they are deliberately bamboozling parents who are trying to raise healthy kids who enjoy lots of flavours.

Ella Mills' family owns Sainsbury's. They are ultra wealthy and unfortunately, profits come before most other things for the ultra rich. It's no surprise that Sainsbury's stocked Ella's Kitchen products before anyone else did, and unfortunately, it wasn't just a business venture for the good of babies across the UK.

WithOneLook · 28/04/2025 23:59

I feel like whatever we do (or don't do) we are judged as parents though. My daughter is only 3 but wouldn't engage with BLW at all and refused all home made pureed veg. The HV sat with me and fed her a Ella's kitchen carrot pouch when she was 9 months old - it was the first thing she actually ate as 'food'. The HV suggested I fed her pouches because of the consistency so I followed that advice. At 3, she'd still take that pureed pouch (but not a 'chunky' pouch) if she was given the chance. She does eat 'food' now but she is extremely fussy and has a god awful diet. I've asked and asked and asked for support but because her weight is ok, they'd be happy if I fed her McD every day (I don't but only because I couldnt look myself in the mirror if I did..it would certainly make life easier if I did though). No SEN /ND identified at present.

In contrast my son (who granted is only 8 months) will eat anything in sight (well suck it to death) and steadfastly refuses the pouches even though I stocked the cupboard with them assuming he'd be like my daughter. It's one heck of a lot easier to BLW in my opinion (although much messier), nutrition aside simply because he just has whatever I'm having (sometimes the meat element depending what it is).

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 28/04/2025 23:01

I posted it on the weaning board yesterday morning. But overall I agree OP.

Rabbitat · 28/04/2025 22:52

Rusalina · 28/04/2025 19:57

The sugar content is surely not particularly surprising.

I would however like to see more discussion about the findings re degradation of nutrients due to manufacturing process. This surely has big implications for food in general, not just baby food. There’s a surprising amount of people who rely on pre-made food for huge parts of their diet - for example some people never make their own sauces for dishes

It's mainly vitamins b and c that are slightly lost. When veg are boiled 30% of vitamins are lost, that's why steamed is better. So i think it's a similar comparison. Iron is heat stable so not lost, but maybe not high to begin with depending on what's in the pouch.

I did some googling and some pouches are actually fine for sugar levels. I think it's the fruit ones that are especially unhealthy, similar to orange juice or apple juice etc where you get all the sugars without the fibre so not healthy but marketed like it is.

I think it's like any meal plan though, if its varied then nutrients will be fine across a whole diet with a few pouches included. So my understanding of that article is if your baby relied on them as their main source of nutrition, then it's not nutritious.

khaa2091 · 28/04/2025 22:25

I was lucky enough (!) that my daughter turned frighteningly blotchy with apple or mango, at a stroke taking out most of the pouches.
I have to confess that I use the Annabel Karmel cottage pie every couple of weeks and my now 3yr always scoffs it.

TheCurious0range · 28/04/2025 22:16

We never used them and I did get a few comments and eye rolls about the home cooked food I'd batch cook and freeze, I also had little stocks at Parents' and in laws.
It was also a bit awkward as my DNs were basically weaned on them so if must've felt like judgement to DB and SIL when I wouldn't use them.
I found MN a bit of a haven back then, other people who felt the same.
Last year FIL made a comment about how I was 'ahead of the curve' with UPFs, I wasn't it just didn't feel right, I don't eat ready meals really so why would I give my baby the infant equivalent?

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 28/04/2025 22:16

user101101 · 28/04/2025 20:30

This is depressing. DC did have alot of these and has a very sweet tooth now. No going back in time

If it helps at all I never gave either of mine a single pouch and they're still both absolute sugar fiends now.

Notanyreason · 28/04/2025 22:13

TheCurious0range · 28/04/2025 22:12

Most of the veg ones are at least 50% pureed apple to make them more palatable

We never used any with Apple as my dd was allergic to apples and pears

TheCurious0range · 28/04/2025 22:12

Notanyreason · 28/04/2025 22:11

We used ones that were just vegetables. Things like sweet potato, carrot, other mixed vegetables there wasn’t anything else in them except veg and I accept it’s more processed and probably heat treated? So less nutrients but for a quick dinner when we got home from nursery a vegetable pouch and some mashed banana plus a bottle of milk was I thought not too bad at all!

Most of the veg ones are at least 50% pureed apple to make them more palatable

Notanyreason · 28/04/2025 22:11

Churp · 28/04/2025 19:19

‘Fed is best’ is quite a low bar. Like normally as parents we’re aiming for a bit better than ‘not starvation’.

These pouches are clearly deliberately misleading parents to think they’re healthy so I don’t blame the parents at all. The slogans and packaging make them look like good wholesome food.

We used ones that were just vegetables. Things like sweet potato, carrot, other mixed vegetables there wasn’t anything else in them except veg and I accept it’s more processed and probably heat treated? So less nutrients but for a quick dinner when we got home from nursery a vegetable pouch and some mashed banana plus a bottle of milk was I thought not too bad at all!

StMarie4me · 28/04/2025 20:37

Mine were born in the 80s and 90s. We had the option of jars, but they were SO expensive that no one used them for anything other than a trip out. Home cooked food without the seasoning. So we would do potatoes, veg, meat with no added salt etc. Pasta with tomato sauce. Fish pie with no added salt. Really easy to do with a freezer too.
DGC been raised the same. Surely people don’t give toddlers these pouches for every meal?!

TropicofCapricorn · 28/04/2025 20:35

Totallytoti · 28/04/2025 19:12

My dc have never had a pouch. I was advised to get them used to it, in case of emergency or travel. And every time I gave them one they had the worst tummy runs. Just shows

I've never posted on Mumsnet.

StMarie4me · 28/04/2025 20:33

Totallytoti · 28/04/2025 19:12

My dc have never had a pouch. I was advised to get them used to it, in case of emergency or travel. And every time I gave them one they had the worst tummy runs. Just shows

So they HAVE had them then?

user101101 · 28/04/2025 20:30

Eastie77Returns · 28/04/2025 20:26

DD had quite a few pouches when she was little. Mainly Ella’s Kitchen. By the time I had DS a couple of years later I knew better and didn’t give him a single pouch. They are now 11 and 9. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that DD has a very sweet tooth and would eat sugary crap all day if she could whilst DS has almost no interest in sweets and will choose a plate of vegetables over a bag of Haribo.

This is depressing. DC did have alot of these and has a very sweet tooth now. No going back in time

Eastie77Returns · 28/04/2025 20:26

DD had quite a few pouches when she was little. Mainly Ella’s Kitchen. By the time I had DS a couple of years later I knew better and didn’t give him a single pouch. They are now 11 and 9. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that DD has a very sweet tooth and would eat sugary crap all day if she could whilst DS has almost no interest in sweets and will choose a plate of vegetables over a bag of Haribo.

Rusalina · 28/04/2025 19:57

The sugar content is surely not particularly surprising.

I would however like to see more discussion about the findings re degradation of nutrients due to manufacturing process. This surely has big implications for food in general, not just baby food. There’s a surprising amount of people who rely on pre-made food for huge parts of their diet - for example some people never make their own sauces for dishes

Mingenious · 28/04/2025 19:54

I don’t know how anyone could afford for pouches to make up the bulk of their baby’s diet or would choose to when fruit and veg is so cheap, and generally easy to cook.

Mine both had the pouches on occasion but mostly ate what we did.

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