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Pesto in lunch box - nut free school

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Franxie · 28/04/2025 17:52

I’ve got a friend who has twins my kids class, they are reception age. She doesn’t let her kids have school lunches as she doesn’t think they are healthy.

Today I asked her daughters what they had for lunch and they told me a croissant, mum clarified it was a croissant with pesto spread inside, chicken, mozzarella and tomato slices.

The school is nut free so I said oh doesn’t pesto have nuts in it, she said it was fine, I said it’s really not allergies can be deadly and she insisted it was fine, school never pays attention, it’s healthy and if school ever do ask she will say it’s nut free pesto.

WIBU to report this to the school?

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GoodOldTrayBake · 28/04/2025 19:05

Fucking dangerous. I wish people like this could be reported to the police, not just the school. Why do they think their convenience trumps someone’s life. Most shop bought pestos in the jar are made from cashew nuts, not pine nuts. They are deadly for someone with a tree nut allergy.

Only the fresh ones in the refrigeration all are made from pine nuts – but even so, some people also have a pine nut allergy.

Your friend is a selfish dick. Report her.

Soontobesingles · 28/04/2025 19:05

hoarahloux · 28/04/2025 17:54

Pesto usually has pine nuts in. Despite the name they are not nuts and don't usually pose a risk to tree nut or peanut allergy sufferers. They are seeds!

This is actually not true, most store bought pestos are made with cashew nuts. I know this as my husband has an allergy and we can’t have them in the home, even though he is fine with seeds/pine nuts

Enthusiasticcarrotgrower · 28/04/2025 19:04

GeorgianaM · 28/04/2025 18:06

It's hot completely out of hand pandering to a minority. Why should the child have to give up her delicious lunch because someone might have an allergy?

Allergy sufferers should be taken out of school during the lunch hour by the parents/nanny/grandparents etc or given a safe room to eat their nut free food.

Why should the child have to give up her delicious lunch because someone might DIE?!

kjvjfknv · 28/04/2025 19:04

@WhereIsMyJumper 1. The big difference is education (and in practice this often means schools) are compulsory. Farms aren't. 2) of the kids that I know ow who are very allergic, they do go to things like cinema but try to sit away from other people. They often don't do playdates at other people's houses and stay away from other people eating food, go to restaurants that don't usually serve their airborne allergens e.g. go to pizza places if they are allergic to peanuts etc.

KeepTalkingBeth · 28/04/2025 19:03

Summary for those of you who are just catching up with the thread:

"My child has a life-threatening condition that requires an occasional minor adjustment on your part"
"FUCK YOU I WILL HAVE MY PESTO"

also:

"You don't know your own allergies. Let me mainsplain them to you... blah blah..treenuts... drupes... seeds... and therefore you will be okay if you just unclench... blah blah... why do those unfortunate allergic wretches even leave the house... how inconvenient for the rest of us... blah blah..."

Dee00 · 28/04/2025 19:01

My nephew has a nut allergy and pine nuts are one of the nuts that he has to avoid, so I always assumed everyone with a nut allergy was also allergic to them.

My son loves pesto and I always either make my own or buy the nut free one for school. There are so many nut free pestos, I think you should say something again to her.

Luv2luv9 · 28/04/2025 19:01

@Throwaway75 I'm sorry to read this. I assume you carry an epipen which hopefully gives you confidence & a degree of comfort day to day.

I have an allergy to dogs & one lick brings the area licked out in welt like hives. If my husband pats a dog then holds my hand my eyes become itchy red & swollen. I feel this is nothing compared to the worry of a nut allergy. Everyone should adhere to rules in schools where there is someone dealing with this.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 28/04/2025 19:00

CopperWhite · 28/04/2025 18:55

It would never have occurred to me that pesto had nuts in it, but then I can’t stand the stuff so never go near it. If one of my children had tried it elsewhere and asked for it in their packed lunch I’d have given it to them without a second thought.

When I used to supervise lunchtimes in a school with a nut ban I could see that it was adhered to most of the time but there was always the odd occasion when a Dad or someone who didn’t usually make the lunch would include a peanut butter sandwich, or one of those little tubs of apple and peanut butter from M&S.

This is why nut bans are pointless. Even with the best will in the world, bans do not work. A child who has a severe allergy needs to be protected by good hygiene and by educating the people around them.

Peanuts are legumes anyway. If somebody specifically told me to avoid tree nuts I would pack peanuts whilst assuming that I was doing everything „correctly“…

WhereIsMyJumper · 28/04/2025 19:00

WhereIsMyJumper · 28/04/2025 18:43

I do wonder, if someone has an allergy to nuts so severe that a child in the same school as them eating pesto could cause a threat to their life, how on earth do they manage to navigate being in other public places?
How would you know that the packed lunch the family brought to the farm trip on the same day didn’t contain nuts?
What if they were in the cinema and someone had some salted peanuts on the go a few rows back?
Can they ever set foot in a supermarket? Or is it ok as long as they avoid the aisle that sells nuts?

Everyone keeps repeating the ‘pine nuts are seeds’ bollocks and the ‘pesto has cashew nuts in it’
Yes, we know. This has been said a dozen times already.
But can’t someone answer my question above please?

Gymrabbit · 28/04/2025 18:58

Throwaway75 · 28/04/2025 18:00

Ive been a lurker on Mumsnet for several years and created a profile JUST to reply to this.

Absolutely yes - I'd you have a nut allergy you can go into anaphylaxis through eating pine nuts.

I have a tree nut allergy.
I am severely allergic to pine nuts (in fact it's one of the "worst ones for me, only behind pistachio and cashew)
I have had a severe reaction to pesto (yes SPECIFICALLY pesto on pasta) that resulted in hospitalisation.

I agree. I have a mild tree nut allergy and have had a small amount of pesto on a few occasions (normally when I didn’t realise it was on bruschetta) and my throat starts itching straight away.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 28/04/2025 18:57

Aren’t all nuts also seeds?

A pine nut allergy is quite rare afaik. But some people are allergic to pine nuts (whether that’s due to a nut allergy which includes pine nuts or pine nuts specifically).

and as PP said: storebought pesto usually contains cashews.
it is however super easy to make nut free pesto at home….

Catsbreakfast · 28/04/2025 18:56

hoarahloux · 28/04/2025 17:54

Pesto usually has pine nuts in. Despite the name they are not nuts and don't usually pose a risk to tree nut or peanut allergy sufferers. They are seeds!

Most commercial pestos have cashews in them as they’re cheaper. Absolutely not fine!

BridgetRandomfuck · 28/04/2025 18:56

Throwaway75 · 28/04/2025 18:00

Ive been a lurker on Mumsnet for several years and created a profile JUST to reply to this.

Absolutely yes - I'd you have a nut allergy you can go into anaphylaxis through eating pine nuts.

I have a tree nut allergy.
I am severely allergic to pine nuts (in fact it's one of the "worst ones for me, only behind pistachio and cashew)
I have had a severe reaction to pesto (yes SPECIFICALLY pesto on pasta) that resulted in hospitalisation.

I’m exactly the same, pistachios, cashews and pine nuts are my worst allergens (recently found out the hard way that psyllium husks also trigger it). I think it’s quite a common co-allergen.

TheRozzers · 28/04/2025 18:56

My niece has a severe nut allergy and went into anaphylaxis from pesto - someone had mistakenly added it to a recipe.

Nuts in schools issues aside please don’t give anyone with a nut allergy pesto!

CopperWhite · 28/04/2025 18:55

It would never have occurred to me that pesto had nuts in it, but then I can’t stand the stuff so never go near it. If one of my children had tried it elsewhere and asked for it in their packed lunch I’d have given it to them without a second thought.

When I used to supervise lunchtimes in a school with a nut ban I could see that it was adhered to most of the time but there was always the odd occasion when a Dad or someone who didn’t usually make the lunch would include a peanut butter sandwich, or one of those little tubs of apple and peanut butter from M&S.

This is why nut bans are pointless. Even with the best will in the world, bans do not work. A child who has a severe allergy needs to be protected by good hygiene and by educating the people around them.

Ophy83 · 28/04/2025 18:53

So I think everyone should listen to Richard Osman's brilliant lecture on Nuts on the unbelievable truth. Most "nuts" are not nuts. But they might still be allergens. So if nuts are banned because of allergies and if you don't know anything more specific than that, it is best to avoid anything known as a nut, be it a fruit or a seed or a drupe or a legume or indeed a nut!

https://www.reddit.com/user/pfobwpfo/comments/18ohqi2/nuts/

proximalhumerous · 28/04/2025 18:52

Theroadt · 28/04/2025 18:44

I didn’t read into that that she was patronising you.

Me neither.

MrsKateColumbo · 28/04/2025 18:51

My DS has terrible reaction to pesto as he has a dairy allergy and cheese is the worst culprit. he's been excellent ever since reception at self monitoring. I would rather he and other allergy kids sat on a NF/DF/etc table as i appreciate allergens will creep in

My cousin had anaphalaxis egg allergy and she always sat apart too, schools cant be egg free so she had to learn to mitigate risk from a young age.

My SIL also gets unable to breathe if she's near a kiwi- luckily these weren't as common in the 80s!

vincettenoir · 28/04/2025 18:50

Usually the nut free allergy people can’t eat seeds either.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 28/04/2025 18:50

MeltonInTheHeat · 28/04/2025 18:43

It's not okay.

DS1 has an anaphylactic allergy to peanuts. I cannot actually believe the cavalier responses here.

One of his teachers has an allergy to all nuts including pinenuts and sesame seeds. A child had hummus and veg sticks one day and the mere fact the child breathed out sent the teacher into anaphylaxis. But all that is by the by- if the school is nut free then the school is nut free. And as many others have said- jarred pesto often contains cashews as the cheaper ingredient.

Some people might shrug and say 'what's the big deal'. For others it is potentially deadly. Now yes you can't neccessarily predict if you are about to encounter someone who is that allergic- but you sure as fuck can adhere to a policy. I am in close contact with our school matron due to DS1's allergies and they actually adapt the policies to cater to the risks presented. Only 600 in the school granted, but there was a year where all dairy was banned as well. For us all nuts and sesame seeds are banned currently.

Edited

My son is anaphylactic to milk. Can I ask to ban all milk products from the school?

The allergy charities are not in favour of nut free schools.

kjvjfknv · 28/04/2025 18:50

Shop bought pesto is literally hiw we found out our child was allergic to nuts...because of the cashews so no it's not ok.

MeltonInTheHeat · 28/04/2025 18:49

Someone clearly has no direct experience of food allergies.

freddiethegreat · 28/04/2025 18:48

Surely no allergy is the ‘usual’ experience or it wouldn’t be an allergy. If everyone or even the majority reacted that way, the substance would be classed as poisonous to humans. The point is that we take precautions to protect people, whether their reactions are ‘usual’ or otherwise.

JifNtGif · 28/04/2025 18:48

Someone doesn't know their nuts from Thier seeds and legumes!

AhBiscuits · 28/04/2025 18:47

I give DD pesto pasta for school lunch all the time. No one else touches her lunch and I'm not stopping unless the school specifically says no pesto.