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To not understand how people fund their lives and feel a bit jealous?

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Travelenthusiast · 28/04/2025 08:23

Just that really. Mid-30s and we have what I have always seen as a healthy income of £180k per annum (obviously been lower when we were younger and increased over time), and had some family help - about £50k to buy our first house several years ago.

And i’m not complaining about our quality of life- I know we are lucky and can afford a good holiday every year, and a more expensive/ luxury holiday occasionally. DS does a few extra-curricular activities, we don’t have to worry about the food shop total (we aren't extravagant at all) and can afford to eat out a few times a month etc. And I know we are lucky as I grew up in a poor family and understand the stress and implications.

But we have a very modest 3-bed house (with a big mortgage), our car is ten years old and there’s no way we could replace it, we can rarely afford to replace clothes and shoes for us (of course do for DS), days out are thought through to reduce cost, would make pack lunches to take into work and don’t buy shop coffees, we could not afford private school, and often we cut out the eating out to add to savings instead- basically £ is not abundant. And we are relatively careful financially and not big spenders generally. None of this is me saying our life is bad- I know we are really luckily, but just trying to give an idea of limitations / life.

We do live in SE commuter belt (not london) where everything is very expensive.

But we are surrounded by families who have so much more, so apparently effortlessly. We are genuinely one of the only local families without a 4x4 (i know cry me a river 🤣). How do others have it all and have the big house, the new car, endless holidays, SAHM often, the new clothes, meals out, lots of savings? Is it simply that they earn much more? I know we are lucky but I just don’t understand how so many can be so wealthy? Could most of our network really have a household income over £200k?!

OP posts:
Unthinkablebuttrue · 28/04/2025 10:44

Sofiewoo · 28/04/2025 10:31

£400 council tax? I don’t think there’s a tax bracket in the UK that even comes close to that! Your figures are obviously just plucked from the air.

My parents are paying this on their pretty modest detached house (which I could never afford 😂). We are not in the SE.

MidnightPatrol · 28/04/2025 10:43

Sofiewoo · 28/04/2025 10:31

£400 council tax? I don’t think there’s a tax bracket in the UK that even comes close to that! Your figures are obviously just plucked from the air.

There’s plenty of areas in which you could pay over £400pcm in council tax.

lechatnoir · 28/04/2025 10:43

Helpforthosethatneedit · 28/04/2025 10:22

You live in an area that only rich people can afford to live, do comparatively, you feel poor. Move to somewhere people have nothing, like a council estate on the outskirts of a large city and you'd be too embarrassed by what you have and would never consider writing this post.

As I said to OP, not everyone living there is commuting into London and earning mega money! There are still TA's, cleaners, retail & hospitality staff etc earning minimum wage who manage to live in the area. Compared to our relatives in the NW we do feel significantly poorer despite being on similar incomes. Obviously not everything is more expensive here but as a few examples, B&SIL live in a 3 bed semi like us - £80k mortgage paid off. We have 10 years left on our £180k mortgage and are frankly, bloody lucky it's so little purely because we are old enough to benefit from house price rises. I used to pay £7ph for my DC's childminder 5 years ago (per child) my SIL now only pays £4.20ph. G&T in my local pub £7.40, £4.90 in hers.

We have a combined income of c.£55k and we manage OK. We socialise with some very wealthy people who I suspect would never in a million years imagine we earn 'so little'. But please don't think everyone in the SE is rich.

AndImBrit · 28/04/2025 10:42

CampanulaMila · 28/04/2025 09:45

I don’t get it. If your car works, why do you need a different one? With clothes I get why people ‘update their look’ even when they have other, wearable clothes already, because there’s a big element of self-expression in what people wear. But a car just drives you somewhere. If it does that, I genuinely don’t understand why you would even think about it being 10 years old or not being a 4x4 or whatever.

I don’t think that’s fair. I upgraded to my current car because:

  • I spend a lot of time in it driving to new places and so I wanted a screen that was compatible with Apple Car Play
  • My last car was needing work done on it every year
  • It was diesel so becoming uneconomic
  • I spent half my life in winter defrosting the car, and wanted a heated windscreen.

I’d like to upgrade my current car because I’d like heated steering wheel and heated seats, and I’d like to move to an electric car. I can’t justify the spend at the minute as it would be £40k+ to get what I want, and I’m not willing to spend that but I have reasons for wanting a new car that are more than it gets me from A to B. In fact, I can justify a new car way more than I could justify new clothes, or even a new phone (which a lot of people replace every few years when the old one is just fine).

Teasloth · 28/04/2025 10:42

I live off 20,000. Solo parent, live in similar priced area on coast. Child attends extra curricula. Have 13 year old car and still manage. Don't eat out or go on holiday but have no debt whatsoever
You just live to your means. You're obviously not

MyLegoHair · 28/04/2025 10:38

Travelenthusiast · 28/04/2025 09:30

I’m not going to come back to thread and will ask for it deleting, as don’t want to hurt anyone.

Don't worry op - it is a rare person who hasn't misjudged their tone or had their tone misjudged, especially in writing. You live and you learn eh. x

ForestFeast · 28/04/2025 10:34

InveterateWineDrinker · 28/04/2025 10:30

It's not just the aspirational fantasy. It's the complete inability of so many people to value both themselves and the people around them on individual merit and attributes such as pleasantness, humour, loyalty, respect for learning, and so many other things. Instead we only seem to value things we can put a price on, which if you think about it is a really odd way of measuring self-worth.

I'm not interested in wearing my wealth or parking it outside the house for all to see. The ones who look down their noses at me because I'm wearing 20 year old clothes with frayed collars, or because my DCs coats come from Vinted rather than Versace, are people I'm not likely to rub along with anyway.

Yes many people know the price of everything but the value of nothing…

look at how the sick and disabled, young and old are treated

AbigfanofDogs · 28/04/2025 10:31

Our income is slightly less and we have so much money my partner saves £20k a year minimum

We live in London.

Let me guess, expensive tastes?

Sofiewoo · 28/04/2025 10:31

RosesAndHellebores · 28/04/2025 10:13

Council tax £400
Utilities £350
Sky, broadband, phones: 80
House insurance: £100
Car insurance £50
Water £25?
Car tax £14
Repairs and maintenance £100
Adds up to £1119 and nothing there for prescriptions, dentists, travel/petrol, etc so maybe £1250. That leaves £750 for food which is entirely reasonable imo.
People forget how easily everything adds up and that there are variables.

£400 council tax? I don’t think there’s a tax bracket in the UK that even comes close to that! Your figures are obviously just plucked from the air.

InveterateWineDrinker · 28/04/2025 10:30

Unthinkablebuttrue · 28/04/2025 09:55

I feel like as a society we are being sold a crap aspirational dream of big cars, luxury holidays, constant home remodelling and renovations, high-maintenance beauty regimes, constant eating out, ever-changing fashions. Total victims of capitalism that we feel our value is measured against all this. If you live in suburbia life me, I think the pressure is worse. We're not rubbing shoulders with the people who are managing to opt out of all this.

It's not just the aspirational fantasy. It's the complete inability of so many people to value both themselves and the people around them on individual merit and attributes such as pleasantness, humour, loyalty, respect for learning, and so many other things. Instead we only seem to value things we can put a price on, which if you think about it is a really odd way of measuring self-worth.

I'm not interested in wearing my wealth or parking it outside the house for all to see. The ones who look down their noses at me because I'm wearing 20 year old clothes with frayed collars, or because my DCs coats come from Vinted rather than Versace, are people I'm not likely to rub along with anyway.

Ineedthesun80 · 28/04/2025 10:28

Move up north,I’m not normally one to judge but on that salary you are taking the piss.

Ohthatsabitshit · 28/04/2025 10:27

You’re overspending and frittering. With only one child you can easily afford a new car, private school if that’s your thing, holidays and eating out. Write down what you are spending and get a handle on it.

Hastentoadd · 28/04/2025 10:26

Travelenthusiast · 28/04/2025 08:23

Just that really. Mid-30s and we have what I have always seen as a healthy income of £180k per annum (obviously been lower when we were younger and increased over time), and had some family help - about £50k to buy our first house several years ago.

And i’m not complaining about our quality of life- I know we are lucky and can afford a good holiday every year, and a more expensive/ luxury holiday occasionally. DS does a few extra-curricular activities, we don’t have to worry about the food shop total (we aren't extravagant at all) and can afford to eat out a few times a month etc. And I know we are lucky as I grew up in a poor family and understand the stress and implications.

But we have a very modest 3-bed house (with a big mortgage), our car is ten years old and there’s no way we could replace it, we can rarely afford to replace clothes and shoes for us (of course do for DS), days out are thought through to reduce cost, would make pack lunches to take into work and don’t buy shop coffees, we could not afford private school, and often we cut out the eating out to add to savings instead- basically £ is not abundant. And we are relatively careful financially and not big spenders generally. None of this is me saying our life is bad- I know we are really luckily, but just trying to give an idea of limitations / life.

We do live in SE commuter belt (not london) where everything is very expensive.

But we are surrounded by families who have so much more, so apparently effortlessly. We are genuinely one of the only local families without a 4x4 (i know cry me a river 🤣). How do others have it all and have the big house, the new car, endless holidays, SAHM often, the new clothes, meals out, lots of savings? Is it simply that they earn much more? I know we are lucky but I just don’t understand how so many can be so wealthy? Could most of our network really have a household income over £200k?!

Comparison is the thief of joy, you earn more than most and are still not happy because your neighbours have more than you
Forget about the neighbours and focus on yourself
You should easily be able to live on what your income is

ForestFeast · 28/04/2025 10:26

Inheritance
famiky support such a free childcare
health
age wheh they bought their first home(if at all)

are all the biggest factors in why it isn’t a level playing field

Alondra · 28/04/2025 10:25

CatrionaBalfour

But still jealous of the people "wealthier" than they are to open a new thread.

The OP has stated she won't come back to the thread, presumably because after writing her agenda, she no longer wants to answer questions from posters.

CatrionaBalfour · 28/04/2025 10:24

HunnyPot · 28/04/2025 10:23

Have you really failed to comprehend some people will have more money that you?

Apparently not. It's really very odd.

CatrionaBalfour · 28/04/2025 10:24

ssd · 28/04/2025 10:16

What i never understand with these types of threads is how come someone clever enough to earn a huge salary is so stupid with money???

Luck and inheritance, would be my guess.

HunnyPot · 28/04/2025 10:23

Have you really failed to comprehend some people will have more money that you?

Helpforthosethatneedit · 28/04/2025 10:22

You live in an area that only rich people can afford to live, do comparatively, you feel poor. Move to somewhere people have nothing, like a council estate on the outskirts of a large city and you'd be too embarrassed by what you have and would never consider writing this post.

Mumble12 · 28/04/2025 10:21

I have an income of £50,828. I am a single parent and have 4 children. 1 adult, 3 at home. I have one long haul holiday each year, help my eldest out financially with things like white goods /furniture etc, lease a nice car, eat out regularly and although we don't splurge, the kids all have the nice clothes/days out etc. I rent and pay £1300/month for this. How you think you have to go without, on a salary more three times mine, baffles me.

Sunsweetsandandicecream · 28/04/2025 10:21

rubyslippers · 28/04/2025 08:28

You having a laugh? You earn a huge combined salary and had a massive gift to buy your home - more than most people could ever dream of
youre wildly over spending / not budgeting to not think you’re doing ok

I doubt it is a genuine post ladies. I wouldn't waste your time commenting.

CubanCactus · 28/04/2025 10:21

Thatfirstcoffee · 28/04/2025 08:29

You started a thread yesterday

asking for advice for your holiday with a budget of £15k

op you do need support. For attention seeking and perhaps far too much time on your hands

Spend the 15k on a car instead of a holiday?

Sharkknife · 28/04/2025 10:21

You can't afford to replace your car or buy new clothes but can go on a £15k holiday?? I think your priorities are off.

IveGotAnUnusuallyLargePelvisISwear · 28/04/2025 10:19

Pantah630 · 28/04/2025 08:26

Are you taking the piss?

Nails it.

So, so sick of these types of posts and I actually hope most if not all, are on the wind up and there aren’t actual real people out there who are on this type of income who are so dense and out of touch.

lechatnoir · 28/04/2025 10:19

FFS another one of these bleeding heart posts from completely tone deaf people living in lalaland. Do you not realise quite how ignorant you sound? You do realise that not everyone 'in SE commuter belt' has big salaries don't you? I live there and our combined income is less than a third of yours. We live a normal frugal but happy life & are definitely not alone. I do also know plenty of people who have 2nd homes yet plead poverty or say things like 'you can't possibly retire on less than £50k a year' or suggest meals out at Michelin starred restaurants and be surprised when not everyone is keen as it's 'definitely worth paying the little bit extra'. Mind boggling.

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