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Am I a pearl clutcher?

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Pawse · 27/04/2025 21:06

I’m genuinely interested whether I’m being unreasonable in being completely shocked by what I witnessed today.

I’m away with my family on a European beach holiday and we were on one of those Cruise and Swim trips that you can take in most touristy places.

We were at the first stop at a beautiful clear blue lagoon. The water was shallow, full of fish and an idyllic place for snorkelling.

Most of the adults and kids jumped in and were having a great time splashing about and snorkelling. I didn’t go in as I was taking pictures, but really it was too bloody cold for me.

Anyway, a woman clutching a jam jar with a ribbon around it, started performance crying. I thought the jar had some fine dirty looking sand in it. It was only 1/4 full.

She started sniffing and dabbing her eyes saying “Goodbye Martin.” Then her male partner/friend jumped in the water. She then passed the jam jar to her male friend and said “This is what Martin would have wanted,” at which point I realised in horror that the “sand” was actually some poor bloke’s ashes.

I expected the male friend to at least swim to the other side of the boat away from the main groups of swimming families, but he just swam to the edge of them. I was desperately trying to see where my kids were so didn’t actually see him “scatter” them, luckily my kids were the other side of the main groups.

The woman was comforted by a female friend when the male friend came back onboard. It all happened so quickly.

So am I being unreasonable to think when you scatter someone’s ashes at sea you do it discreetly on the edge of a quiet beach or empty them (again discreetly) at the back of a boat when it’s moving. Or even hire a bloody motorboat and do it privately and with dignity NOT do it beside families who are swimming and enjoying a lovely holiday day out.

I am still absolutely flabbergasted, but maybe I’m a pearl clutcher and just didn’t know it!

OP posts:
AppleBlossomMay · 27/04/2025 22:44

I would be worried about someone swallowing some of the ashes too, so I think it would have been more appropriate to scatter his ashes away from others.

AnnaL94 · 27/04/2025 22:44

RIP Martin 💙

I hope you’re enjoying the beautiful crystal blue waters, fish, snorkelers, children’s piss and Pawse’s pearls. 🙏🏼 🌊 🐚

Loub1987 · 27/04/2025 22:43

Yeah, it would bother me OP.

ThinkingIsAllowed · 27/04/2025 22:40

Yanbu. Very weird to tip Martin off the side of a boat surrounded by families having a day out!

afig · 27/04/2025 22:40

From a purely selfish point of view, I wouldn't enjoy seeing someone scatter ashes where I was trying to enjoy an expensive and rare holiday. It's not a time when I'd appreciate being reminded of death. I know people like to do this in places that are beautiful or meaningful, but personally, I'd rather it were done quietly and privately.

andtheworldrollson · 27/04/2025 22:40

You were worried about them swallowing ashes? They eat meat? Walk alongside traffic and breathe the fumes ? It’s just carbon - chemically it will not be much different to the ashes in your wood burner I would guess?

ohmyfootreallyhurts · 27/04/2025 22:39

All I can think about is Tania on the White Lotus

Perhapsanothertime · 27/04/2025 22:38

As someone who regularly scatters ashes in the sea and gets them blown back at me I can’t get worked up 🙈

CatamaranViper · 27/04/2025 22:37

godmum56 · 27/04/2025 22:05

Well unless its a Turkish Van, its gonna HATE that!

Dunno like. My BSH likes to soak in the tub with me every now and again. He'd make a great sea-cat

JillAndJenTheFlowerpotMen · 27/04/2025 22:36

Tbf the other swimmers didn’t get to consent to having Martin in their mouths and swimsuits.

DreamTheMoors · 27/04/2025 22:36

When my cousin died and was cremated, she wanted her ashes scattered in 3 places:
Tavern on the Green in NYC (illegal, but they snuck in and did it anyhow on the grass).
Up high in the Sierras at their cabin.
Maui - they hired a boat that took them pretty far offshore and also threw leis and other flowers (I think they have services for that, not sure).

My aunt was so torn up about it that she held some of the ashes back and went back to Maui twice more to do it again.

fffiona · 27/04/2025 22:36

Scattering ashes is never as dignified as it should be in my experience. When DB and I scattered our Dad I tried to make it a respectful occasion and read a poem, but my brother forgot to properly check the wind direction and got some in his eye. And there was so much - it looked like a building site covered in grey sand by the time we’d finished - they’re actually quite heavy and don’t naturally “scatter” which we hadn’t realized. Luckily our dad would have found it completely hilarious which made it a bit better.

JudgeJ · 27/04/2025 22:32

Seawolves · 27/04/2025 21:11

A quarter of a jam jar is a very small amount of human ashes, DH's ashes are heavy and in a much larger box than that. I don't think I could get het up about a few ashes in the sea.

I was amazed at the weight of OH's ashes, we see people on TV blissfully holding an urn in one hand to sprinkle ashes, no way could I have done that!

Saz12 · 27/04/2025 22:32

Having scattered ashes of various people in various locations in the past... its an honour to do it, often weirdly a total anti-climax, and a totally inert lumpy dust. I dont understand why you'd ge concerned about someone coming into contact with it. Particularly in the sea - it would be a teensy fleck at the m9st, in an absolute most bizarre set of coincidences.
Think how many fishes have pissed in the ocean. Or dinosaurs. Or whatever. Gen the poops and corpses. The odd cremated ashes is irrelevant ... It's not hygienic anyway.

Whoever was scattering the ashes probably had ages to think about how it would be - would they cry? Say something? Of course it's a bit false and not spontaneous. I imagine they wanted Martin to be somewhere they shared happy memories of playing about in the water somewhere beautiful.

sweetpickle2 · 27/04/2025 22:30

There’s more gross things to get a gob full of in the sea than Martin.

Flytrap01 · 27/04/2025 22:29

Pawse · 27/04/2025 21:24

@Springadorable I wasn't worried about my kids seeing Martin's ashes more about them swallowing him!

Nope, sorry my head can't do the mental gymnastics as to this being reasonable!

Looks like I'm gonna be one of those annoying posters who ask AIBU and then wont accept they are! Sorry! ;)

welcome to the club, and yes you are a pearl clutcher

TwinklyNight · 27/04/2025 22:25

I think some people are simply stupid. We will be scattering ashes in a public park in July. The park has regulations and one is to scatter away from people who are spending time at the park. They have a new scattering area, and we will go do it there.

blackpear · 27/04/2025 22:22

'Performance crying' is very unkind in the circumstances.

Genevieva · 27/04/2025 22:22

Most of the ash is wood from the coffin. It doesn’t sound like the most spiritual experience, but it certainly isn’t a hygiene problem..

Leeds2 · 27/04/2025 22:20

My dad died last year, and we were told by the undertaker that a human's ashes weigh approximately the same as their birth weight. I have heard several accounts from people trying to scatter their loved one's ashes that it is more difficult than you would imagine, as in they can blow back in your face and don't actually waft away as you might imagine.
I only add this for context!

WhatsOpp · 27/04/2025 22:18

Sure you weren’t accidentally an extra in White Lotus?

LaughingCat · 27/04/2025 22:15

Your posts sound like the woman’s ease with grieving publicly has made you feel uncomfortable somehow. ‘Performative crying’ etc. If that’s the case, I get it, I get uncomfortable seeing people open enough to cry in work or just in front of others. I know that’s a me issue, not a them issue, though.

Sounds like it was a tiny amount of ashes, was hardly going to get swallowed by people on the trip and that lady was obviously comfortable showing her emotions in public (so I can be comfortable ignoring them and leaving her to it). I feel like this is a total non-issue, OP.

Gonners · 27/04/2025 22:13

Human ashes are just ashes, harmless. But this has just reminded me of the excellent Donny's ashes scene in The Big Lebowski. It's on YouTube, if anyone cares.

SpringGreenOnion · 27/04/2025 22:13

YANBU or a pearl clutcher OP.

It wasn’t the time or place to scatter someone’s ashes. So because of that, the performance crying I can believe.

The amount of posters berating you for your choice of words and not the subject matter is eye rolling to say the least!

ThisIsItNowOrNever · 27/04/2025 22:12

Yes, you are a pearl clutcher.
Show some respect for people who are grieving.