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Am I a pearl clutcher?

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Pawse · 27/04/2025 21:06

I’m genuinely interested whether I’m being unreasonable in being completely shocked by what I witnessed today.

I’m away with my family on a European beach holiday and we were on one of those Cruise and Swim trips that you can take in most touristy places.

We were at the first stop at a beautiful clear blue lagoon. The water was shallow, full of fish and an idyllic place for snorkelling.

Most of the adults and kids jumped in and were having a great time splashing about and snorkelling. I didn’t go in as I was taking pictures, but really it was too bloody cold for me.

Anyway, a woman clutching a jam jar with a ribbon around it, started performance crying. I thought the jar had some fine dirty looking sand in it. It was only 1/4 full.

She started sniffing and dabbing her eyes saying “Goodbye Martin.” Then her male partner/friend jumped in the water. She then passed the jam jar to her male friend and said “This is what Martin would have wanted,” at which point I realised in horror that the “sand” was actually some poor bloke’s ashes.

I expected the male friend to at least swim to the other side of the boat away from the main groups of swimming families, but he just swam to the edge of them. I was desperately trying to see where my kids were so didn’t actually see him “scatter” them, luckily my kids were the other side of the main groups.

The woman was comforted by a female friend when the male friend came back onboard. It all happened so quickly.

So am I being unreasonable to think when you scatter someone’s ashes at sea you do it discreetly on the edge of a quiet beach or empty them (again discreetly) at the back of a boat when it’s moving. Or even hire a bloody motorboat and do it privately and with dignity NOT do it beside families who are swimming and enjoying a lovely holiday day out.

I am still absolutely flabbergasted, but maybe I’m a pearl clutcher and just didn’t know it!

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Ladyzfactor · 13/11/2025 02:33

DoraSpenlow · 11/11/2025 12:58

In the UK it is required by law that bodies are cremated individually.

Iv worked in crematoriums (long time ago and in the US). We are also required to perform cremations individually. I remember a heartbreaking case where a mother and baby died at the same time and even though the family wanted them to be cremated together we couldn't do it. We would have been shut down by the state. Also retorts don't realistically fit more than one person. An issue that is arising right now is a lot don't even fit one very overweight person.

InterestedDad37 · 11/11/2025 16:30

Pawse · 27/04/2025 21:24

@Springadorable I wasn't worried about my kids seeing Martin's ashes more about them swallowing him!

Nope, sorry my head can't do the mental gymnastics as to this being reasonable!

Looks like I'm gonna be one of those annoying posters who ask AIBU and then wont accept they are! Sorry! ;)

I think YANBU really - should be done discreetly rather than performatively.
If Martin had a grave, he'd no doubt be turning in it 👍

kizzywizz · 11/11/2025 16:24

All this talk of Martin, I'm picturing Martin from Friday Night Dinner (Paul Ritter).

Ihatetomatoes · 11/11/2025 13:39

OoooopsUpsideYourHead · 27/04/2025 21:15

Or a goldfish 🤣🤣

It's a bit odd OP but a bit of ash in the water wouldn't bother me if I was swimming.

😂

A goldfish that thought he was a shark, so into the sea his ashes go...🦈🐠🐟🎣🐡🎐🦦

DoraSpenlow · 11/11/2025 12:58

PrincessHoneysuckle · 29/04/2025 19:29

It's not like it's really a person scattered into the sea.Bodies are cremated en masse unfortunately.Something I didn't know until recently.

In the UK it is required by law that bodies are cremated individually.

Middlechild3 · 11/11/2025 12:29

A quarter of a jam jar probably equates to about a foot at the very most. Suspect Martin liked holidaying there. I live on the coast and have seen it a few times. Once with extended family, a microphone and speeches and guitar playing.

Whataretalkingabout · 30/04/2025 07:47

In sea water? Disgusting! Fish fuck in the sea.

Perhapsanothertime · 29/04/2025 22:50

5128gap · 29/04/2025 19:14

The same point that says it's ok to have your wedding photos taken in a churchyard, but if there was a dead body propped up on the lych gate, it'd probably ruin the shot.

But would it be ok if there was a dead body there but out of shot? 🤔 this is the question! 🤣

PrincessHoneysuckle · 29/04/2025 19:29

It's not like it's really a person scattered into the sea.Bodies are cremated en masse unfortunately.Something I didn't know until recently.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 29/04/2025 19:28

How very Saltburn.

it's a fairly unusual way to spread ashes, on a leisure boat with people snorkelling. The ceremonial aspect of doing it in public wouldn't bother me, I don't think kids should be protected from things like that, it's part of life. But the thought of swallowing a mouthful of gritty sea water with bits of Martin in.....

I think you should scatter ashes away from other people so they are well dispersed before they reach human life.

ARainyNightInSoho · 29/04/2025 19:28

The UK is quite relaxed about scattering ashes but most other countries in Europe do not allow it.

5128gap · 29/04/2025 19:14

Perhapsanothertime · 29/04/2025 14:56

I do find the “dilution ratio” a funny one. So it’s not ok to scatter ashes near people swimming, but the water is full of ashes and other undesirable things anyway… so is it ok so long as you can’t see it?

The best example is bodies…. if there was a body floating in a pool then people wouldn’t get in. But people still swim in the sea and the chances are there are some in there!

What point is it ok?

The same point that says it's ok to have your wedding photos taken in a churchyard, but if there was a dead body propped up on the lych gate, it'd probably ruin the shot.

Beautifulweeds · 29/04/2025 18:11

I would prefer to do it discretely personally but it wouldn't bother me at all.

Perhapsanothertime · 29/04/2025 14:56

I do find the “dilution ratio” a funny one. So it’s not ok to scatter ashes near people swimming, but the water is full of ashes and other undesirable things anyway… so is it ok so long as you can’t see it?

The best example is bodies…. if there was a body floating in a pool then people wouldn’t get in. But people still swim in the sea and the chances are there are some in there!

What point is it ok?

onwardsup4 · 29/04/2025 12:44

Sounds quite strange but I doubt I’d be flabbergasted or be worried too much about my kids seeing it

Ladyzfactor · 29/04/2025 12:38

Tortielady · 29/04/2025 12:25

It doesn't sound morbid. I binge watched Six Feet Under some years ago and have been convinced that the more we talk about these things the better. We should treat death as a life-stage (albeit the last one) and not as something to fear. For cultural/historical reasons, I'm not sure about cremation, but I really don't like the idea of going into the ground full of formaldehyde - cremation would definitely be a better option.

One thing I also want people to understand is that you are not required to be embalmed. Some funeral directors like to say that for money making reasons but there is no requirement. Just make sure your views are well known to your family.

Ladyzfactor · 29/04/2025 12:35

Tortielady · 29/04/2025 12:25

It doesn't sound morbid. I binge watched Six Feet Under some years ago and have been convinced that the more we talk about these things the better. We should treat death as a life-stage (albeit the last one) and not as something to fear. For cultural/historical reasons, I'm not sure about cremation, but I really don't like the idea of going into the ground full of formaldehyde - cremation would definitely be a better option.

Look into aqua-cremation or natural burials. I'm from the States and these are increasingly becoming a more attractive alternative. Aqua-cremation uses a lot less energy and resources, and natural burial is exactly like it sounds, no embalming or preserving (beyond refrigeration) and buries in a unbleached cotton shroud.

Tortielady · 29/04/2025 12:25

Ladyzfactor · 29/04/2025 10:27

My judging comment was more for people posting here in general, not specifically towards you. My apologies, I wasn't very clear about that.
I think a lot of people don't quite understand what cremation truly does to the body after death. After cremation you are left with calcium, salts, carbon and bone fragments. The bone fragments are incredibly brittle and aren't really bone anymore. Most countries then pulverize the bones to the ashes before returning them to the family. I know it sounds pretty morbid but it's less invasive than being embalmed.

It doesn't sound morbid. I binge watched Six Feet Under some years ago and have been convinced that the more we talk about these things the better. We should treat death as a life-stage (albeit the last one) and not as something to fear. For cultural/historical reasons, I'm not sure about cremation, but I really don't like the idea of going into the ground full of formaldehyde - cremation would definitely be a better option.

pollymere · 29/04/2025 12:16

I think you have a right to be flabbergasted 😂. I'd be thinking eww eww eww! Swimming in bits of Martin 🤭...

I wonder if she's scattering bits of him in various places they were happy together or similar?

My Dad's ashes are in two separate places (although I've just realised I've no idea where one of them is!).

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 29/04/2025 10:43

CurlewKate · 29/04/2025 10:29

I absolutely despise the expression “pearl clutcher”….

Agree. Horrible expression. And it's always trotted out as if the posters using it think they're being witty and clever.

CurlewKate · 29/04/2025 10:29

I absolutely despise the expression “pearl clutcher”….

Ladyzfactor · 29/04/2025 10:27

Tortielady · 29/04/2025 04:28

I'm not judging anyone's way of dealing with their loss and I don't think there's anything in my post to suggest I was.

I don't know much about the cremation process. There has been a lot in the news recently about microplastics and how they are in every part of us, our brains, bones and even our blood. It's not unreasonable to wonder how much of that ends up in the environment when we die, whether through cremation (apparently not) or burial (it might be more pertinent there.)

My judging comment was more for people posting here in general, not specifically towards you. My apologies, I wasn't very clear about that.
I think a lot of people don't quite understand what cremation truly does to the body after death. After cremation you are left with calcium, salts, carbon and bone fragments. The bone fragments are incredibly brittle and aren't really bone anymore. Most countries then pulverize the bones to the ashes before returning them to the family. I know it sounds pretty morbid but it's less invasive than being embalmed.

Snakebite61 · 29/04/2025 09:49

Pawse · 27/04/2025 21:06

I’m genuinely interested whether I’m being unreasonable in being completely shocked by what I witnessed today.

I’m away with my family on a European beach holiday and we were on one of those Cruise and Swim trips that you can take in most touristy places.

We were at the first stop at a beautiful clear blue lagoon. The water was shallow, full of fish and an idyllic place for snorkelling.

Most of the adults and kids jumped in and were having a great time splashing about and snorkelling. I didn’t go in as I was taking pictures, but really it was too bloody cold for me.

Anyway, a woman clutching a jam jar with a ribbon around it, started performance crying. I thought the jar had some fine dirty looking sand in it. It was only 1/4 full.

She started sniffing and dabbing her eyes saying “Goodbye Martin.” Then her male partner/friend jumped in the water. She then passed the jam jar to her male friend and said “This is what Martin would have wanted,” at which point I realised in horror that the “sand” was actually some poor bloke’s ashes.

I expected the male friend to at least swim to the other side of the boat away from the main groups of swimming families, but he just swam to the edge of them. I was desperately trying to see where my kids were so didn’t actually see him “scatter” them, luckily my kids were the other side of the main groups.

The woman was comforted by a female friend when the male friend came back onboard. It all happened so quickly.

So am I being unreasonable to think when you scatter someone’s ashes at sea you do it discreetly on the edge of a quiet beach or empty them (again discreetly) at the back of a boat when it’s moving. Or even hire a bloody motorboat and do it privately and with dignity NOT do it beside families who are swimming and enjoying a lovely holiday day out.

I am still absolutely flabbergasted, but maybe I’m a pearl clutcher and just didn’t know it!

You are definitely overreacting. It was obviously a special place for them.

mummyhat · 29/04/2025 09:44

YADNBU. I wouldn’t have been ‘completely shocked’ or even remotely so, but you’re absolutely right that this is minging for others in the vicinity, disrespectful (not least to Martin) and in fact objectively, hilarious.
Whoever said ‘white lotus’ was spot on.
Thank you for sharing and I hope you can savour this as a bloody good anecdote several kids hairwashes into the future x

Sparrow7 · 29/04/2025 07:47

I live by a popular tourist beach, people are always scattering "ashes" and roses in the water. I don't mind too much but if it was me I would do it in the winter not in the summer when the water is full of people. I think "ashes" is a bit of a euphemism though. Let's be honest, it's really ground up skeleton people are throwing in the water.

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