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Finding it hard not to resent friend on benefits

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ArlJudey · 27/04/2025 18:20

I’m friends with a woman, she has 4 kids all fairly young still. She’s single (dad not in the country so no maintenance), she lives in a 3 bed council house that is nicer than my home (okay she got lucky as I know some of the council houses around here are awful but she’s in a lovely spacious house). She works 15 hours a week, above minimum wage but I don’t know by how much, she gets UC and child benefit and Scottish child payment on top of this, I know she doesn’t have any family help etc.

Anyway met with this friend today and she complained that she can’t afford to go anywhere nice on holiday, she’s going to Egypt in the summer for the week; last year she went to Greece so she’s hardly slumming it. She brags about having no debt at all, her kids have nice clothes (though I know she is a Vinted wizard), doesn’t seem to struggle at Christmas, uses gousto every week etc.

AIBU to resent that she seems to have a much nicer life than I do with 2 kids working full time (also single). I know there are some obvious differences like I have a small amount of debt I’m paying off and have a car to pay for/fuel/insure.
I really don’t get how on benefits she’s doing it!

OP posts:
XenoBitch · 28/04/2025 00:22

TheHerboriste · 28/04/2025 00:16

A) she picked a predictable arsehole to mate with
B) she didn’t maintain her career or earning power
C) she had way more kids than a solo person can afford
D) she smugly assumed divorce would never happen to her, and had no backup plan
E) she is using taxpayer monies to take holidays that many actual workers can’t afford, instead of saving the funds for the inevitable next crisis
D) she is not being creative, resourceful or diligent, such as teaming with another single mum and working opposite shifts to split childcare, because it’s easier to go on the dole

A - do you know her? No one gets married to "predictable assholes". Are you married? Your DH could leave you one day. Or die. Your fault for not choosing better.
B - she has a degree and is working in a field related to it. She can do more hours when all her kids are at school, and OP said that is her plan. Perfectly reasonable.
C - she was married when they (not she... she didn't do it on her own) had the kids. Also, no one chooses to have twins.
D - how do you know this?
E - she WORKS so she is using her own money to go on holidays. Other people not being able to afford stuff is nothing to do with her
D? (you must be high as it is F next) - she is in a field related to her degree. The chances of her knowing a another single mum who can do opposite shifts to her in the same job are slim to none.

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/04/2025 00:18

Jellycatspyjamas · 27/04/2025 23:45

She pumped out four kids she can’t afford to rear without vast taxpayer support! Apparently choosing shitty unreliable baby daddies. That’s antisocial and reprehensible.

One shitty baby daddy to four kids. People’s circumstances change, even with the best of planning and there’s a social safety net.

Many of the working people complaining they can’t afford x, y and z are spending their money on other things - paying a mortgage, saving to a pension, running a car. Things that are costly and will benefit them in the longer term. I really can’t grudge a mum of 4 small kids an income nor can I grudge her using that money to give her kids a good start in life.

Shes buying decent food, healthy activities and one weeks holiday a year - not daily McDonalds and an iPad.

Your wasting your time. That poster clearly doesn't read or need actual information before jumping to an opinion.

Much like most of the benefits bashers you see on here, unable to receive and retain knowledge.🙄

scotstars · 28/04/2025 00:17

TheHerboriste · 28/04/2025 00:06

She wasn’t “dealt” the hand, she made conscious choices every step of the way. Every step.

We all know the bio-daddy wasn’t a prince among men until after all four kids were born. Come on. And no one should be having umpteen kids with only taxpayer dole as Plan B. No savings, no family, no well-paying career, nada?? Just Mr and Mrs Taxpayer to pick up the slack.

It’s tiresome.

He had a well paid job and they had savings - we have no idea the circumstances/what he was like. Not everyone has family local to help out not entirely sure how she could be expected to change that? Sounds like the friend has a plan to return to full time work when her kids are school age and has an education and career to return to

TheHerboriste · 28/04/2025 00:16

XenoBitch · 28/04/2025 00:11

How is she feckless? Her ex left her and wont pay CM. She also WORKS.

A) she picked a predictable arsehole to mate with
B) she didn’t maintain her career or earning power
C) she had way more kids than a solo person can afford
D) she smugly assumed divorce would never happen to her, and had no backup plan
E) she is using taxpayer monies to take holidays that many actual workers can’t afford, instead of saving the funds for the inevitable next crisis
D) she is not being creative, resourceful or diligent, such as teaming with another single mum and working opposite shifts to split childcare, because it’s easier to go on the dole

vincettenoir · 28/04/2025 00:16

TheHerboriste · 28/04/2025 00:06

She wasn’t “dealt” the hand, she made conscious choices every step of the way. Every step.

We all know the bio-daddy wasn’t a prince among men until after all four kids were born. Come on. And no one should be having umpteen kids with only taxpayer dole as Plan B. No savings, no family, no well-paying career, nada?? Just Mr and Mrs Taxpayer to pick up the slack.

It’s tiresome.

There was a plan B. She has a degree and who says she didn’t have any savings? She works part time and will presumably ho on to work full time when her kids are older.

I am Mrs Taxpayer this is exactly what I pay taxes for. So children don’t live in complete poverty when circumstances are difficult for them,

As for this Mum making the ‘conscious choice’ to have children with a husband that one day might leave her. Isn’t that a choice that every woman who has children makes? Any man might one day leave or perhaps die.

TheHerboriste · 28/04/2025 00:12

1SillySossij · 28/04/2025 00:09

What, like the op's own children who have to go without these luxuries and without seeing their mum much, because she is working her butt off to support luxury holidays for the brood of this feckless woman and her ilk?

Exactly. Well said.

XenoBitch · 28/04/2025 00:11

1SillySossij · 28/04/2025 00:09

What, like the op's own children who have to go without these luxuries and without seeing their mum much, because she is working her butt off to support luxury holidays for the brood of this feckless woman and her ilk?

How is she feckless? Her ex left her and wont pay CM. She also WORKS.

XenoBitch · 28/04/2025 00:11

TheHerboriste · 28/04/2025 00:09

She chose him.

They were happily married.
I was with my ex for 8 years. He left me and I ended up claiming benefits. When we got together, I had no idea how things would pan out nearly a decade later.

It seems the only thing she did wrong here is not have a fully functioning crystal ball.

1SillySossij · 28/04/2025 00:09

Dweetfidilove · 27/04/2025 23:03

I pray life never takes me to a place where I begrudge a single parent of 4 and 4 small kids of any good thing they can afford to experience ☹️.

What, like the op's own children who have to go without these luxuries and without seeing their mum much, because she is working her butt off to support luxury holidays for the brood of this feckless woman and her ilk?

TheHerboriste · 28/04/2025 00:09

XenoBitch · 27/04/2025 23:36

How is she a parasite?
She was married, and her ex-DH left her with a 10 month old and 3 other small children (including twins). She gets no CM from him, and no help from family etc. She works.
The benefit system is quite literally set up for stuff like this.

Why is all the vitriol aimed at her and not the absolute fucking dickswab of an ex?
Fucking MUMsnet my arse.

She chose him.

Justfreedom · 28/04/2025 00:09

Better than giving it all to migrants.
Plus some holidays are cheaper abroad hope she has a great time.

XenoBitch · 28/04/2025 00:08

TheHerboriste · 28/04/2025 00:06

She wasn’t “dealt” the hand, she made conscious choices every step of the way. Every step.

We all know the bio-daddy wasn’t a prince among men until after all four kids were born. Come on. And no one should be having umpteen kids with only taxpayer dole as Plan B. No savings, no family, no well-paying career, nada?? Just Mr and Mrs Taxpayer to pick up the slack.

It’s tiresome.

Why is this all this lady's fault? Why are you not angry at her ex for leaving her with no choice but to claim benefits?

TheHerboriste · 28/04/2025 00:08

Mama2many73 · 28/04/2025 00:03

It's a while a go but I can remember my TA come back into class obviously upset because a parent at the gates had told her about their 2 week holiday to Disney world florida, first week in term time, 2nd week was the beginning of the 6weeks. She had never worked had 5 kids .

TA worked bloody hard full time and she basically said the same, she couldn't afford to take her kids on holiday and said 'who's the bloody idiot? Coming to work every day while she's swanning off to america'.

When someone is working full time you should never be worse off than people on benefits.

Exactly.

Benefits should be parceled out as food, clothing, soap and toothbrush , etc., not spendable cash. Provide for the kids’ needs, not the parent’s wants.

TheHerboriste · 28/04/2025 00:06

scotstars · 27/04/2025 23:45

Sounds like a mum who is making the best of the hand she's been dealt presumably she didnt plan to end up a single mum with no maintenance. She lives within her means (using vinted, no debts etc) amd her life will have its own challenges if she has no car or family support. If she has 4 young kids UC probably only covers 2 of them and she will have work commitments to satisfy UC she is entitled to support.
If you think it's easy on benefits go part time and put in a claim yourself instead of being jealous of your friend

She wasn’t “dealt” the hand, she made conscious choices every step of the way. Every step.

We all know the bio-daddy wasn’t a prince among men until after all four kids were born. Come on. And no one should be having umpteen kids with only taxpayer dole as Plan B. No savings, no family, no well-paying career, nada?? Just Mr and Mrs Taxpayer to pick up the slack.

It’s tiresome.

Mama2many73 · 28/04/2025 00:03

It's a while a go but I can remember my TA come back into class obviously upset because a parent at the gates had told her about their 2 week holiday to Disney world florida, first week in term time, 2nd week was the beginning of the 6weeks. She had never worked had 5 kids .

TA worked bloody hard full time and she basically said the same, she couldn't afford to take her kids on holiday and said 'who's the bloody idiot? Coming to work every day while she's swanning off to america'.

When someone is working full time you should never be worse off than people on benefits.

TeaAndTattoos · 28/04/2025 00:01

XenoBitch · 27/04/2025 23:51

I am wondering if some people are reading the same stuff we are.
It is not hard to see the whole 2 other posts from OP where she goes into more detail about her friend.
But yeah, her friend is a "leech" for having kids when happily married.

So am I really makes you feel like your in the Twilight zone and everyone but us has read the alternate version of this post because that’s the only way I can explain some of these off the cuff comments. I mean they seem to want to burn her at stake for being on benefits and working and here’s us being crazy and thinking that’s a good thing clearly we are in the wrong here

scotstars · 27/04/2025 23:53

ArlJudey · 27/04/2025 20:25

Okay I get that being envious won’t help me and I do love my friend. I guess it’s the system that bothers me.

As far as I know she isn’t playing the system, she’s had a messy couple of years (from happily married to where she is now) her ex and father to all the children had a well paying (well by Scottish standards) job, they were renting but saving for a deposit etc. Then when the youngest of her children was 10 months he divorced her and returned to his home country straight away, she’s had no contact with him since. She couldn’t afford the rent for where they were alone etc.

I don’t think the benefits cap impacts her as she makes over the amount needed to be exempt from it and she can claim for 3 of her kids as the twins are a multiple birth.

She is still pretty young (28) so I don’t think she needs to be worried about her pension as she will be 30/31 when her youngest starts school and will return to full time work I’m sure, like I said she is still working and in a decent job earning above minimum wage.

I think it just bothers me that the benefits system supports someone to live a life of what I view as luxury, gousto boxes every week, holidays, kids do tennis, swimming and athletics clubs. I know she doesn’t spend lots on herself (doesn’t dye her hair or get her nails done for example) but it seems like her kids have more than mine do? I couldn’t afford for my kids to do 3 clubs, go to Egypt, I definitely can’t afford £60 a week on gousto etc.

It’s not that I think she’s abusing the system but I just feel the system is wrong.

She's spending her benefit money on her kids clubs and feeding them. There's plenty that don't but make sure they get their hair and nails done, nights out etc. You've said she's not playing the system, she works I say well done to her for doing her best for her kids!

XenoBitch · 27/04/2025 23:51

TeaAndTattoos · 27/04/2025 23:46

@TheHerboriste what have you been smoking tonight she ended up a single mum of 4 kids when her DH upped and left her and fled back to his home country she’s working 15 hours a week and taking care of her children what would you like her to do with them. Please do us all a favour and sit down shut up and learn how to stay in your lane. Your making up stories to fit whatever made up narrative that you have created for some bizarre reason go make up fairy stories somewhere else.

I am wondering if some people are reading the same stuff we are.
It is not hard to see the whole 2 other posts from OP where she goes into more detail about her friend.
But yeah, her friend is a "leech" for having kids when happily married.

Jellycatspyjamas · 27/04/2025 23:47

RedWhite · 27/04/2025 23:41

What’s a Scottish child payment?

It’s an additional payment by the Scottish government for parents on universal credit - paid at £25 per week for each child.

TeaAndTattoos · 27/04/2025 23:46

@TheHerboriste what have you been smoking tonight she ended up a single mum of 4 kids when her DH upped and left her and fled back to his home country she’s working 15 hours a week and taking care of her children what would you like her to do with them. Please do us all a favour and sit down shut up and learn how to stay in your lane. Your making up stories to fit whatever made up narrative that you have created for some bizarre reason go make up fairy stories somewhere else.

Jellycatspyjamas · 27/04/2025 23:45

She pumped out four kids she can’t afford to rear without vast taxpayer support! Apparently choosing shitty unreliable baby daddies. That’s antisocial and reprehensible.

One shitty baby daddy to four kids. People’s circumstances change, even with the best of planning and there’s a social safety net.

Many of the working people complaining they can’t afford x, y and z are spending their money on other things - paying a mortgage, saving to a pension, running a car. Things that are costly and will benefit them in the longer term. I really can’t grudge a mum of 4 small kids an income nor can I grudge her using that money to give her kids a good start in life.

Shes buying decent food, healthy activities and one weeks holiday a year - not daily McDonalds and an iPad.

scotstars · 27/04/2025 23:45

Sounds like a mum who is making the best of the hand she's been dealt presumably she didnt plan to end up a single mum with no maintenance. She lives within her means (using vinted, no debts etc) amd her life will have its own challenges if she has no car or family support. If she has 4 young kids UC probably only covers 2 of them and she will have work commitments to satisfy UC she is entitled to support.
If you think it's easy on benefits go part time and put in a claim yourself instead of being jealous of your friend

vincettenoir · 27/04/2025 23:44

TheHerboriste · 27/04/2025 23:38

You don’t think she’s an irresponsible person?

Clue: one doesn’t get to be a shiftless parent of four offspring living on the dole because one has made prudent and responsible choices.

I really hope laws change in my lifetime. If nothing else, dock the pensions when people like this reach old age. They’ve already taken more than their share. Let their numerous offspring support them.

She is a 28 graduate who works part time ans she has probably completed her family. She will most likely have a decent enough private pension by the time she retires.

XenoBitch · 27/04/2025 23:44

TheHerboriste · 27/04/2025 23:41

Yes, I certainly do. No one should produce offspring without first taking out more than ample life insurance on both parents. That’s adulting 101.

Can’t afford the monthly payments? Then they can’t afford the kids.

Rolling the dice assuming Mr and Mrs Sucker Taxpayer will pick up the slack is disgusting and disgraceful.

OP's friend was happily married. He earned a good wage and they were saving up to buy a property. He left her, left the country, and is paying nothing towards his own kids.
OP's friend is also educated, in a job related to her field and will increase her hours when her youngest is at school. In the meantime, she is single handily bringing up 4 kids on her own, 2 of which are twins.

The benefit system is for people like her.
What exactly do you think she should be doing differently?

RedWhite · 27/04/2025 23:41

What’s a Scottish child payment?