Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

Yes but not a child in the sense of him being a paedophile. The age of consent is 16 in the UK.

For what it's worth I think he did sleep with her but didn't question it/remember specifically because he was sleeping around with so many young women who wanted it on their tick list that they'd slept with a royal.

I don't condone this sort of behaviour, but I don't think whether she was 17 or 18 makes much difference. She was a "young woman" and he assumed she wanted to because he had such a big ego.

But that doesn't make him a paedophile.

What makes me sick is all of the allegations being dressed up as fact. I've a huge problem with people doing that - I can't abide injustice.

Andrew's behaviour has been a disgrace, that he even associated with Epstein is reprehensible, and for that alone he deserves to have essentially lost his job.

However, the only 'facts' are that VG accused him of sleeping with her (I don't believe she said he raped her?) and PA denied it. She then accused him of sleeping with her knowing that she had been trafficked. We don't know what the veracity is of this. That's it.

We don't know who Andrew associated with other than Maxwell and Epstein.

Literally nobody supports Andrew, other than perhaps family or friends. Some of us just happen to believe that truth and justice apply to both participants in this legal action.

DH thinks it could be dodgy, in the way Epstein’s “suicide” was dodgy.

But this isn’t employment law, it’s a v rich member of the RF vs the woman he so obviously raped. He likely settled because he was guilty and made a huge fuck up of coming across as the world’s biggest liar on TV when asked about it

Dramatic to want a sex offender to be accountable for his actions? Ok.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to “go after” people who’ve raped you without proof? Men are denying they never even knew Epstein. Virginia had a photograph however which made things much easier

People don´t just take their life because their life suddenly got hard. Taking your own life is a last resort. You would only do it because you gave up hope.

Can I be a 100% certain that only reason she felt like she couldn't living? No, there might have been contributing factors, but I am 99% certain that without this trauma, other problems would be a lot easier to handle.

So the pictures in the paper with a closed eye cuts and bruises all over her face was just make up was it?
I find it very distasteful but you are talking like this about someone who has literally just committed suicide

She was not a woman. She was a child. She was 17.

He's a pig of a man and will rot in hell alongside Epstein. That poor woman had her life destroyed.

London's Metropolitan Police said they were not conducting any new investigations into Prince Andrew after a 2016 deposition accusing him of groping a woman's breast was released this week. The deposition was among hundreds of pages of mostly unredacted documents related to Jeffrey Epstein unsealed this week under the order of a judge in a now-settled defamation case brought by Virginia Giuffre, one of Epstein's victims.

In the deposition, Johanna Sjoberg alleges she was groped by Prince Andrew in 2001, when she was 21. The allegation is not new, and BBC News reports Buckingham Palace previously called her allegations "categorically untrue."

Sjoberg says she met Andrew when she was brought to Epstein's home in New York in 2001 by Ghislaine Maxwell. Virginia Giuffre, whose lawsuit accusing Prince Andrew of sexual abuse was settled out of court in 2022, was also at the house at the time.

Sjoberg said she initially didn't know who the British royal was, until Maxwell took her to get a caricature puppet of him from a BBC show. Then, she said, she sat on Andrew's lap, while Giuffre sat beside him on the couch with the puppet in her own lap. The group took a photo with the Prince Andrew puppet groping Giuffre's breast, and Andrew himself groping Sjoberg's.

In an excerpted transcript from a deposition of Maxwell released among the documents unsealed this week, she seemingly confirmed the existence of the puppet — which she called "Not a puppet. I don't know how you would describe it. A caricature of Prince Andrew that was in Jeffrey's home." When asked about the incident Sjoberg described, she said, "I don't recollect. I recollect the puppet but I don't recollect anything around the puppet," before saying again it was a "characterization of Andrew."

He was at the coronation.

I have no interest in when and where these people go to church 🙄

This this this

I haven't got the stomach to read this thread to be honest but I do know because it has happened in the past, there will be Andrew apologists there will be posters saying she knew what she was doing, there will be posters saying she was 17 so she did what she did of her own free will. And there will be plenty of posters saying endlessly Andrew wasn't proven to have slept with her. Without going into great detail because I could go on forever, he knew where he was, he knew what he was doing by just being that among very very young girls, and anyone who supports him really should take a long hard look in the mirror.

It makes me sick. People really need to read up about trafficking. You can be 30 and be a trafficked victim.

She would never have done it, had she not been abused. It's one of the worst things that can happen to a child and, no, I do not care that the age of consent is 16. She was still a child and Andrew is a damn pedophile.

Church on Easter Sunday was not a "state event".

Most 'ordinary' families don't claim to represent their country, and these are public events that Andrew is attending; so it is very very different. It is not as though the RF don't have form for ruthlessly distancing family members when they want to.

Unlike us less intelligent folk. Still thanks for letting me know, I can sleep easily now.

I would not trust anything from the Daily Mail. They are now having a field day, by way of a change. I am going to wait and see what comes out now, especially if her husband has anything to say.

I don't seem to be able to get 'Surviving Jeffrey Epstein' here in the UK.

At that time Andrew was (believe it or not) a heartthrob and a player. Lots of girls would have slept with him; he was used to all this adulation so probably didn't think anything of it.
I also think he's sleazy BUT that doesn't make him a paedophile. I honestly don't think he's interested then or now in little kids. She was 17, at the lower end, but still within the "groupie" age which was probably under 25. She was a woman, not a little girl.
I also honestly don't think his own daughters would support him if they for one moment thought he was interested in children.

I see.

Well LVH can say whatever she wants privately, and she can say whatever she wants publicly too, it's a free country.

But it comes across as incredibly crass, haughty, and removed from reality. I think if she felt pushed into making a seemingly supportive statement to show she was onside with PA, there were lesser cruel ways of saying it. Many on this thread support him whilst still acknowledging that what has happened is unfortunate. That said, I can imagine the social pressures on one are hard at that level of society and maybe I myself would be desperately denying that PA was anything but a true gent if I had had the misfortune to date him.

I cannot bear the odious moron, but he wasn't a paedophile. VG was over the age of consent and was a fully developed woman (physically at least).

Sadly, very sadly, I think PA genuinely can't remember having sex with her because she would have just been one of many pretty, but anonymous young women provided for his amusement.

Knowing what a hugely conceited oaf that he is, he probably genuinely believed these young women were thrilled to have sex with a real, actual prince of the realm.

I think PA was completely speaking the truth when he admitted that he 'just didn't notice people like that' i.e. VG. He'd spent his life being serviced and pandered to buy an endless stream of faceless enablers. She was just one among hundreds.

It's the casual callousness that is heartbreaking.