Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

What's yours?

If PA was a sleazy, habitual, sexual abuser then you would think he would have 'form'???

The allegation you referred to was not pursued by the authorities. TBH I could give you a list of names of men who groped my breasts when I was 16/17! (They would get my knee swiftly in their balls now, but I'm not young any more!)

The allegation that has persisted has been settled. I am not aware of any others?

What does it matter if the photo is genuine or fake? What does that in itself prove?

The provenance of the photo is questionable. Even if it was genuine, it does nothing to support the allegation that he had sex with her, nor the allegation that he knew she was trafficked.

So the photo was faked then? Where have I heard that before...oh yeah from Prince Andrew and his gang of cheerleaders who even in death cannot stop tearing into this woman.

The provenance of the photo is questionable. Even if it was genuine, it does nothing to support the allegation that he had sex with her, nor the allegation that he knew she was trafficked.

So the photo was faked then? Where have I heard that before...oh yeah from Prince Andrew and his gang of cheerleaders who even in death cannot stop tearing into this woman.

What's your magic number then?

Virginia Guiffre accused Andrew of having sex with her knowing that she was trafficked. Savile has been accused of a multitude of sexual misdeeds, primarily the abuse of a massive number of young children. Hardly comparable.

I actually don’t know what the allegations about prince Andrew actually were. I only know he was friends with someone who was very unpleasant ( to put it mildly ) and he ‘may’ have had sex with someone who young but legal. What else is is supposed to have done?

Beautifully put, mainecooncatonahottinroof, and perhaps the real irony here is that Andrew doesn't even need to have done the various things he's accused of for us to (rightly) call him repulsive

Just the things which are known about are quite enough for that ...

I've heard that before but wouldn't you think there would be more?

I think that because of his actions decades ago, he bears some of the blame for her poor mental health even as an adult, so yes, that counts as blood on his hands, imo. He won't have been the only factor in her tragic life, but he certainly didn't help matters!

The law says she was a child until the age of 18.

He was at the coronation.

I have no interest in when and where these people go to church 🙄

I don't think there were any allegations about Andrew of a nature that equated him to the evil Savile!!!!!! God almighty!!!

Andrew & Jimmy Saville …. Both creeps who have avoided prosecution

She was not a woman. She was a child. She was 17.

Agree. I think he just didnt notice, or if he did, he simply didn't care enough about these young girls to even think it enough for him not to engage with Epstein, or be his friend. Its very sad for the girls that they were seen as staff to people like Andrew- there to service these disgusting men's every need- fill up my drink, sex, all the same thing. I suspect the reason he has had his name dragged into this when others haven't is because others did wrong and knew they were sleazy bastards that had done something that needed many layers of covering up, whereas Andrew just thought being a Royal Prince was enough, and he was entitled to do what he liked, so didn't even bother. He must have had close protection officers who either couldn't care less either or couldn't stop him.

Personally I think loyalty is an admirable quality in a person, and presumably they believe that he is innocent of the accusation. Maybe he is? Think about that for just a second in the midst of all the hysterical derision?

I am sure Andrew is very grateful for you sticking up for him. You OBVIOUSLY don't believe he slept with Virginia because you have said this sort of thing many times on this forum

So, Andrew wasn't even at Epstein's mansion or island? Despite the fact it is proven he was there and there is footage of him. And flight logs of him on the Lolita Express.

Call it hysterical if you like. My thoughts are with Virginia Guiffrie's family and all the survivors of what Epstein and Maxwell put those girls through. There are many accounts out there. You ought to read them. They are heartbreaking.

Well I stand by what I think about him. And that his wife is an arsehole.

Most 'ordinary' families don't claim to represent their country, and these are public events that Andrew is attending; so it is very very different. It is not as though the RF don't have form for ruthlessly distancing family members when they want to.

He isn't attending public events in a public capacity or representing the royal family.

And the reason those cases have been brought to our attention is why?

Because they usually face the consequences of their actions.

If Trump was a black man he would be in jail now. He certainly wouldn't be President.

Being a racist, rapist, wife beater, thief, even murderer is something that can be paid away if you're a rich white man.

Another dodgy "suicide". Another very "convenient" death.
Poor woman, trafficked whilst under age to men old enough to be her father.

This is all very dodgy and sad. Yes, the traumatic experience of her being trafficked to these disgusting pigs who have not really faced consequences was probably a contributing factor to her pain and ultimately her suicide.

No PA will not be held accountable( His security is being paid for by Charles and still lives in a Royal residence. Not being able to do "royal duties"/ photo ops does not equal being seriously held accountable, especially when it comes to sleeping with a trafficked minor).