Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

Also worth noting he's on record as saying he didn't regret his friendship with Epstein because of the useful business contacts made.

Not a fact but I wonder how many of those went on to line his pockets with side deals and/or figure in the little black book he's been trying to flog?

VG was a victim, and hers is a tragic story of abuse and exploitation. Most of the men involved will never answer for their crimes, never lose their position or status. She was brave enough to find a voice and speak about it.
Such a sad story.

Absolutely 💯

I am hoping that decent people can see those posts for what they are. Victim blaming. Straight up. And saying continually that they are just posting facts doesn't take away from that. Let's give Andrew the benefit of the doubt. But not do the same for victims of sex trafficking.

She was 17
She knew what she was doing
Where were her parents? (that is laughable to say that)
How come she didn't walk away? (sex trafficked individuals aren't chained up in a basement. It's all coercion, manipulation and empty promises of a better life)

If the discussion's moving onto the Duchies there's also the question of why they're still in RF hands at all, considering they were supposed to cede all of the Crown Estate in return for the Civil List back in 1760

I believe the argument's that they were worth much less then so were hardly worth bothering about, but either way nobody's going to take them back now so as ever we're stuck paying for the lot

@mummytoonetryingfortwo
Hi! I had the same thoughts as you ! I didn’t see your post in time .

There have been some foul posts on here victim blaming VG - straight out of the Windsor dirty PR handbook
I trust most intelligent readers can see those posts for what they are

As the poster above you had said, this money came from the Duchy of Lancaster. Which generated its money by charging the NHS and schools rent. So yes. It did come from us.

@PuzzledandpissedoffThere really isn’t any of their own money - it’s all stolen
It’s said she paid out of Duchy of Lancaster funds - they don’t own that land . We do . They just rake in the profits and not enough of us are objecting to the rip off . This is the same Duchy that is charging the NHS , charities and schools ? William doing similar of course .
We paid
We pay for it all

You're another one that can't get your facts right. Maybe you should check your facts before you post. The money did not come from us tax payers!

Her “own money” all can be traced back to the tax payer in one way or another. I lost all respect for the royal family when they paid Virginia off.

I think it was claimed that the late Queen had used her own money to pay the settlement, @mummytoonetryingfortwo - not that I necessarily believe it when this is the same woman who tried to dip into a fund for the disadvantaged to pay palace heating bills

It doesn't have to be an either/or about the speculation and money spent though; it's perfectly possible to object to both

youve had enough of people speculating, but not of tax payer money being used to pay off a victim of sexual abused?

What's to say Andrew ever actually told Epstein they could no longer be in touch, considering he lied about continued contact too?

It couldn't be more obvious that he'll say whatever suits at any given time, and to hell with his various victims of whatever stripe. All that seems to matter is him and maybe whoever's currently holding the purse strings, which is why I said there's reason enough to loathe him already even without any conviction

Don’t judge when you don’t know what really happened….no one does, only the people involved. You could be causing more damage to people that may well be innocent! This is the real problem with people like you speculating, spreading rumours that may not be true. I don’t normally write things but I’ve had enough!

This.

Slept?

You mean groomed, trafficked and raped?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't Sarah Ferguson's debts were paid off by Epstein? Didn't the daughters get money in their accounts?
If this isn't true, I'd be happy to be corrected, but otherwise... it stinks.

Oh yes he was ' too honourable' to just ghost his sex trafficker friend who had given him and his ex wife loads if cash for absolutely no reason, apart from loving how amazingly blue blooded they are! He had to take a week to tell him too.

Because of what you post, that's why. This troubled woman has only just committed suicide, yet you think it's OK to put up a post that smacks of 'so what! she must have slept with hundreds of men, why should poor Andrew get blamed'. You are not pointing out the brutality she may have suffered at all. You are dismissive of her.

If you can't see how your posts look, there is absolutely no point in trying to explain to you.

Of course I'm OK. I don't need your pathetic scoffing laughing emoji reactions on my posts or your faux concern.

Your point is? I don't think he was thinking about Epstein, but more about himself!

Clearly his behaviour was disgraceful. I don't think anyone disagrees about that!

He's spoilt and entitled, and unused to having to think about others.

Unless its Jeffrey Epstein, he was so mindful of not upsetting him that he couldn't tell him their friendship was over (after he'd served his prison sentence for the SA of underage girls) on the phone and just had to fly to NY and stay at his house.

WTF are you on about? It wasn't a fucking criticism? Are you quite ok?

It was an estimation of the brutality of what she must have suffered! Do you think she was only forced to sleep with Andrew then?

I'll read what I choose thanks.

FFS by her own account she was pimped out to a lot of men. I don't have a figure for that. It could have been less, it could have been more?

Either way, it's horrendous. I don't know why you are having a go at me?!!

That's a really silly, ridiculous premise and not remotely comparable!

Nobody has "all the facts" - that's the whole point! Nobody can judge the situation because there's so much that's not known! I'm sick of this "apologists' shite when it's some of us trying to be objective, pragmatic and non-judgemental!

They settled the case for a number of reasons, I imagine (because I don't know), presumably for economic reasons, for the avoidance of negative publicity, to prevent Andrew potentially having to implicate others, because the Queen was ill and frail and nobody wanted to overshadow her Platinum Jubilee. We have seen how damaging all the speculation has been and that's with settlement in place.

What kind of a statement is this? "But apologists don't care that he lied, they care about the "facts"" - if he lied then those things are not "facts" ffs!!

It would have been amazing if Andrew had "used his power to help those girls". I doubt very much that he was capable of even seeing them as human beings in need of help! I don't think he's percipient or empathetic! It wouldn't even have entered his head, I don't believe. He's spoilt and entitled, and unused to having to think about others.