Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

Did Epstein play golf? Andrew is a keen golfer.

In the context of all that, this thread - on MN of all places - in its victim blaming and determination to exonerate Andrew - is deeply disappointing

This. And even if we take Andrew out of the equation for a second we are still talking about a woman who had a horrific life. Sold by her parents to Epstein, endured god knows what at the hands of his powerful friends, been relentlessly trolled online and through the press, lost her children and finally her life. The callousness with which she is sometimes being referred to by other women is somewhat shocking.

But I’m the one with something wrong with me according to @RosesAndHellebores

Me too

Sounds like it to me. Made me shudder 🤢

@RosesAndHellebores

I’d like to know how you can state categorically that Andrew saying “ we’ll play again soon’ to convicted sex offender and sex trafficker Epstein , is not in any way sexual ?

I am a few years older than Andrew and I have never heard that expression.

And you are being absurdly disingenuous to claim that any suspicion that it related to something sexual is 'in your mind' when we know the extent of Andrew's connections to Epstein & Maxwell; it is completely reasonable to suspect it may be a reference to something sinister.

Again, I don't know for sure whether Andrew is guilty. What I do know (and every woman in particular should know) is that there is a huge amount of sexual misconduct against women & girls the overwhelming majority of which goes unpunished. And we know that regardless of whether or not A is guilty, he will be protected anyway.

In the context of all that, this thread - on MN of all places - in its victim blaming and determination to exonerate Andrew - is deeply disappointing

Yes, we do.

You can see in some posters on here the same mindset that used to lead people to believe that touching the King could cure various illnesses….

Epstein had already been convicted is sexual offences by this stage . This is the direct quote from court documents

“The court documents say there was a "discussion of press articles" and then the message: "Keep in close touch and we'll play some more soon!!!”

@RosesAndHellebores

Sure you do.

So it’s all in my head isn’t it ? Epstein just wanted a pint and a catch up ?
Christ this thread is sickening

It isn't unusual for people if Andrew's age, my age, to refer to meeting up with friends as "going out to play". It refers to not working and seeing friends. I often say to DH that I'm going out to play with the girls. I often ask thebDC if they have been out for a play with any of their old school friends.

It does not refer or relate to anything sexual. That, I am afraid, is your mind.

Though the email does say ‘a member of the royal family’ - maybe Andrew isn’t alone in his admiration for Epstein ?

@RosesAndHellebores

Good god get off your knees !

Dis you read the content of the email? Andrew mentioned meeting up and ‘playing’ soon
Revolting

But if an email was sent in 2011 then it is quite feasible that PA had not seen or spoken to Epstein since 2010. Sending an email does not equate to seeing or speaking with. Also PA may have sent it, is there definitive evidence it was him.

Very well put, UKisgaslit, but you forgot to mention that the Queen announced that her wretched son would be getting the Royal Grand Cross of the Victorian Order - the highest possible honour for service to the monarch - the very day after the notorious pap shots of him with Epstein in Central Park broke

"Two fingers" indeed

I know, AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta, and that's why I said what I did about whether Andrew ever "terminated" the relationship at all

Yes to all of this

This 100%. They claim to support charities whilst all the time taking money from them as well as other public organisations. And both William and K Charles are effectively slum landlords.

We don't know whether Prince Andrew is guilty of what he was accused of - but we know that he was friends with 2 sex traffickers. I think most people, if one of their friends was revealed as a sex trafficker, would drop them like a stone. Not PA, he went to stay with Epstein in New York after his conviction.

Much of the exploitation of young women was going on right under PA nose and yet he did nothing to help them. Either he was spectacularly dim or he just didn't care about them - certainly he did not express any empathy for them at all during his notorious interview.

And all this with the acquiescence - in fact outright support - of the RF; they have continued to flaunt their support of Andrew in our faces. The Royals have well and truly shown us what they are. How anyone can continue supporting them and making excuses for all of this is beyond me.

The security issue is very different. Charles pays for security on the royal estates, because they are private. He, Camilla and the PoW and PssoW get state funded additional security. Harry gets tax payer funded security for his needs whenever in the UK. Which is a good standard of protection, free of charge. His court case indicates that he wants extra, on the taxpayer.
So that's really a red herring.
I would be happy if I never set eyes on Andrew or his wife and daughters again. However, they're allowed to go to church.

@MagdaLenor
Actually I’ve just remembered the queen made sure to be photographed with Andrew several times - that was a clear message to the public . This was when the first shock of tye scandal with still reverberating around the world .
As for the funeral - this was not your grandmothers funeral . If Andrew was truly contrite he could have waited in the church .
He didn’t.
He could wait in the church twice a year while the rest do the pap walk . He doesn’t . The royals allow this .
Andrew has also somehow gained a slush fund to pay for his mansion. Also allowed .
And Charles has found it in his heart to pay Andrew’s security bill .
Charles son is currently in court trying to to access security .
Andrew is supported by the Windsors .
It is possible of course that Andrew has threatened to sing - he knows the truth about the rest of them . It’s that or the Windsors see nothing wrong in Andrew’s close friendship with a pedophile .
Taie your pick

@Ukisgaslit I don't think they've "paraded" him. He went to his mother's funeral and his brother's coronation.
He went to church at Easter and Christmas.
I think he's lost any influence and status, lost his military positions, his place on the balcony, any kind of linked status. He has no credibility and no authority. Game over for him.

The money did not come from us tax payers!

All royal money derives from tax payers whether directly or indirectly.

@Puzzledandpissedoff What's to say Andrew ever actually told Epstein they could no longer be in touch, considering he lied about continued contact too?

From BBC news:
The Duke of York was in contact with the US sex offender Jeffrey Epstein longer than he had previously admitted, emails published in court documents appear to show.

"Keep in close touch and we'll play some more soon!!!!" said an email sent to Epstein from a "member of the British Royal Family", believed to be Prince Andrew.

The court documents, from the UK's Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), show the email as being sent in February 2011.
In his BBC Newsnight interview, Prince Andrew had said he had not seen or spoken to Epstein after going to his house in New York in December 2010, a meeting which he described as a "wrong decision".

The royals have continued to parade Andrew every chance they get .
He was in full regalia at the coronation. And no , Easter/ Christmas church is not a private family event - it’s another PR opportunity and photos are taken .
When bad publicity ( AKA the truth!) leaks out re the royals watch for the ‘Charles is thinking of cutting Andrew off’ articles . William will do the same - ie do nothing and protect Andrew but use him as bait to distract the unthinking when bad news needs suppressing