Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

I think the whole world has blood on their hands. Do we actually know how much duty of care tabloid and mainstream media show towards their daily fodder? The people whose victimhood is sold and broadcast daily? Do we know what happens to them afterwards? Not to in anyway exonerate the Royal pervert, but isn’t that a form of assault too?

When it comes to leaping to conclusions OP, you should be in the Olympics!

his home

Prince Andrew is homeless?

Living on the streets or in a homeless shelter?

Who knew.

I feel for her massively and he has absolutely contributed.

But she’d just lost custody of her children and broken a family restraining order. I suspect that her mental state will have been more directly associated with that, than the abuse, directly. Of course the trauma probably stayed with her throughout her life.

You're essentially glorifying in the death of a woman in order to put the boot into the royal family. That's pretty sick.

This woman was a victim of abuse way, way before she ever met Epstein. She had a horrific childhood which involved abuse, living on the streets and being passed from foster home to foster home. When Epstein and Maxwell got hold of her, she was lured into prostitution and potentially slept with hundreds of men for money and a high end lifestyle of luxury houses, international travel and private jets.

There is zero evidence that she slept with Andrew and of course there is zero evidence that she didn't. We will never know. What we do know is that Andrew was not even close to being the leader or instigator of anything that happened in her childhood or young adult life. He was possibly a very, very tiny cog in an enormous wheel.

Please don't use this woman's tragic life to push your anti-royal views. It's disgusting to use this to suit your agenda. 'That ginger woman' tells us everything we need to know about you. Go and do something nice and get over your prejudices and discrimination.

But Andrew is so thick and so thick-skinned that none of this will even put a dent in his his self-esteem and his ridiculously high opinion of himself. He is like a caricature of an entitled aristocrat from bygone eras with the 'divine right of kings'.

His interview with Emily Maitliss, which he was actually pleased with until it was aired and he saw the public reaction, is testament to his complete lack of self-awareness. He is utterly shameless.

No they aren't the tiny minority, as your aibu shows.

The only evidence I have seen so far is a picture of Andrew posing for a photo with his arm around a 17yo. Ill advised certainly, but not evidence of a crime. And in my world people are innocent until proven guilty.

I can well believe Andrew to be arrogant, entitled, not very bright, a poor judge of character, too easily flattered but I do not believe he would have sex with anyone without consent. No-one in his position, with years of being in the public eye, and of the gutter press, would be that stupid.

That VG felt unable to carry on living is tragic and I feel desperately sad for her family, especially her children. They should be left to grieve in peace, not have this splurged all over social media again. Where is your respect for her OP? For their feelings?

Is there an age of consent for being sexually abused and trafficked?

She was going through a bitter divorce after 22 years together, she had what we would call a restraining order out against her, she seems to have limited contact with her children, having some kind of mental health crisis played out on social media with weird posts on Instagram and the contested facts about her car crash and severity of injuries. This shows that after the criminal conspiracy and abuse that she was subjected to the trauma just doesn't go away. She was vindicated, the world believed her and she received enough money to make choices for a materially secure future with her own family. Yet still the trauma was too much for her, even with the passage of a quatre of a century.
Imagine what it's like for all those abused girls and women who are never believed or their feelings never validated or never have any financial support to help them yet have to deal with similar trauma.

Is there a time limit on trauma due to being sex trafficked?

The Queen was head of the Church of England when she paid off Andrew’s accuser.
The Windsors are paid half a billion a year from the country’s dwindling coffers and the royal family are held up as the pinnacle of our society. The population is literally handed over to the king / queen during their anointed by god coronation

The Windsors should be setting an example especially when caught embroiled in sex abuse .
Andrew should have been willing or made to cooperate with the authorities ( he swore he would on the bbc then ran and hid behind his mother’s skirts)

The royalists quibbling over the age of victims do themselves and the Windsors a disservice

A 41 year old having sex with a 17 year old is a bad nonce in anyone’s book. I see the bootlickers are out in force.

Any common man would have been jailed - he should be in prison as we speak, not swanning around having a good time and attending Easter celebrations . It’s disgusting that status allows you to avoid the law.

Dress it up how you like but Andrew is a Nonce
a contributary to her suicide no doubt

He’s trash was so is/was anyone that helped him get away with it.

But then again it will always baffles me that the existence of royals is still propped up.

But it doesn't matter because MN seems to run on the court of public opinion, if somome on here says someone has done something they have doesn't matter of course if it true or not it appears to make people seem more intelligent

Not Epstein then or maxwell?
Or anyone around her who have failed to ensure she had the support she needed?

Andrew is an arrogant fool for sure but the wrong focal point for any outrage here

That doesn’t make sense.

So having sex with someone over the age of consent, still makes you a padeophile? Thats not what the law says.

I don’t doubt there was a power imbalance, that he’s a creep for having sex with a girl of that age, that Epstein probably trafficked her here while she was too naive to know what was going on - that doesn’t make Andrew a paedophile by any definition however.

He doesn’t need to be accused of that, his actual behaviour was wrong, we criticise him for the facts.

well said

He was a small cog in the wheels that crushed her. There will be many more culpable people.

He’s a selfish entitled man like the majority of men he mixed with. It takes significant effort not to be, growing up where and when he did.

It was the era of Sam Fox and Mandy Smith. Girls were not protected.

No, this is just not correct

Paedophile isn't the right word here.

The word pedophile in law has a very specific definition which this does not fit.

jeffrey epstein was a coward