Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

Agreed. I don’t understand why people can’t respect the deceased’s family by stopping speculation. Just found out that Virginia Roberts/Giuffre has passed away. She was clearly very troubled due to her traumatic life experiences. And I just saw another thread on here that she somehow faked a bus accident so clearly she needed help. It’s sad that she didn’t get the help and support that she needed and has now sadly taken her own life.

So, in fact, you are NOT referring to ANY Windsor peadophiles.

Regardless of anyone's views on P A, please can we stop the attacks on VG. Whatever the truth, a human being has felt so desperate she has left her children and ended her own life. That's a tragedy in anyone's book

Show a bit of decency.

I just wonder where her parents were in all of this, why was she allowed to be hanging around with these super rich guys and flying all over the world.

@Meadowfinch I'm not implying that they had sex. As has been pointed out, there is no evidence of any relationship at all.

This is very true, but it also makes the fact he gave her an out of court sum of money a very strange thing to have done.

A paedophile is someone with an interest in prepubescent children. But is a term which people on MN frequently use to describe older men having sex with younger women.

There is 0 suggestion that Andrew is a paedophile, and to suggest that he is could land you into serious hot water legally as that is defamation.

Added to which, the misuse of the term paedophile diminishes the abuse which genuine victims of paedophiles go through.

The ripples from this terrible business just keep going on and on - for everyone involved except him it seems.

That poor woman. She’s been through so much.

@Muffinmam the reason people keep telling you that the age of consent is 16 is because you say 17 in your op. A typo I assume. And I know that doesn’t apply in the case of trafficking.

The police did not prosecute, Andrew was not charged and was not found guitly, therefore he is innocent. Reports say that the royal family put pressure on him to pay as they didn't want a court circus which given what has happened with Prince Harry I can believe but I don't know if that is true or not. The fact remains he has not been convicted or even charged with anything. If someone made an allegation against my family member or friends when they had not been charged or convicted I would be fiercely defending them. The principle of innocent until proved guilty is in my view fundamental - otherwise as a society everyone could in theory allegations however unfounded.

I'm not claiming to know anything one way or the other but I do have to wonder why Andrew paid VG off to the tune of £3million? It's not proof of any wrongdoing but equally it does raise an eyebrow.

I'm not implying that they had sex. As has been pointed out, there is no evidence of any relationship at all.

All I"ve seen is a picture of a teenager standing by a Royal, the kind of celebrity snap people post on social media every day.

More pertinently, how do you know anyone isn't a paedophile? Or how do you know otherwise?

Oh and i also believe that Prince Andrew is an odious prick but that doesn’t make what she says true.

@m00rfarm

See savory’s post above and educate yourself a little

I read she was trafficked from Mar a Lago where she was working as a waitress for Trump. They are all involved.

Honestly, the need for people to constantly bring Andrew into this is tedious.

There is no doubt that Andrew is a sleaze but VG had a far more complicated life than that, some of which was of her own making.

She was estranged from her children and by all accounts had a restraining order against her.

I’m sure that far more is going to come out about her in the media over the coming days/weeks and not all of it is going to be pleasant reading.

But hey she wasn’t responsible for any of the wrongs in her life because “Andrew”.

I think she topped herself because she exposed herself for the liar she is with the being dead in four days lie! She was obviously a deeply disturbed woman with lots of issues and anyone who believes 100% everything she said is more than a little bit naive and stupid.

And you know that exactly how?

You'll get a lot of Royal apologists on this thread. The Royals can do no wrong in many minds. I completely agree with you, had he been a meer mortal he'd have faced the wrath of the public. This is just shoved under the carpet. Now had he ever dared to leave the Royal family he would be absolutely hated and vindicated(as Harry)

You realise that sexual abuse and trafficking as a young adult often has lifelong mental health problems. She also had to deal with the world's media and people pulling her shreds on social media as a result of Prince Andrew actions. She wouldn't have been made inadvertently famous had it not been for his involvement.

No one has suggested he is a paedophile. So your comment is more than a little weird.

@Muffinmam he does not have blood on his hands. By all accounts, she appears to be a violent abuser herself, and due before the court. I have very little sympathy for her, and her family.

Exactly

Charles was friends with Laurens Van Der Post , Jimmy Saville, nephew of Mounbatten, Bishop Peter Ball - all notorious paedophiles. Indeed he remained friends with the Bishop and helped him with accomodation after he was outed just like Andrew with Epstein. There is something seriously wrong in their moral compasses to put it mildly.

You said "While the age of consent in the UK is 17 years old...". You know perfectly well that pp were correcting that. It is misleading to attack them and pretend they are spreading misinformation.

I know i agree