Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

Money talks...

I don’t think Camilla is best friends with Clarkson? who didn’t write a sexual fantasy about Meghan at all.

Honestly you can have a pop at Andrew without making things up.

Re Easter, are you referring to the church service they all went to?

So that she would drop the lawsuit against him. It was the year of the Queen's Platinum Jubilee so I think it was decided to pay VG so that nothing would over shadow that. Also the Queen was very elderly so I expect pressure was put on VG to accept the offer. Imagine the uproar if the stress had had an effect on the Queen's health.

It is no different from people actually believing that members of the RF 'work hard'. They really do have the best pr going!

Rest in Peace Victoria.
We heard you and we saw your pain.

Bet there won't be much on the news today about this, given that it is the pope's funeral and all media attention will be in that.

You make very good points @Tomatotater . Now I think of it wasn't there a time when he rammed a gate open with his range rover because he couldn't be bothered to get out and open it. My mum would've wiped the floor with me if I'd done that but obviously as PA was the Queen's favourite son it was all permitted.

He's certainly a shining example of why parents should never have a favourite child.

And FWIW the rest of the RF should not be smeared by association, I reckon half of them want nothing to do with him except sitting nearby at funerals, they aren’t the enemies here unless they’ve been complicit in a cover up or enabled his evasion. My respect in the Queen went way down after she paid his victim off, I’m surprised it didn’t cause a bigger scandal

A horrifically sad event, and it really shows that even the strongest of survivors can never ever escape their demons. Her poor family.

Now it’s time EVERYONE was named and consequences were delivered.

It continues to horrify me that although a woman is in prison for sex trafficking, not one man has been identified as her client. How can you jail as sex trafficker without naming the people she trafficked victims to. It certainly wasn’t just Epstein.

Whichever powerful figures are protecting the rapists, including Prince Andrew, needs to stop now, and the full force of the law needs to be imposed on every last one of them. Get the fucker deported. We know what he did. And I hope Charles fully complies in whichever way it takes to ensure this happens

She was just a young girl.
The ‘people’ embroiled in this scandal are or were very rich and powerful. Andrew from the most powerful family in the land, Maxwell a daughter of one if the world’s most powerful media families.
Of course, it is a story of the ages will
never change. Rich, powerful people using people like consumable products. Use, abuse, throw out when finished.
There are trafficked people everywhere - one has probably done your nails or washed your car.
I really admired the late Queen but she had a lot to answer for when it came to Andrew. She enabled and coddled him all of his life.
I have no doubt that he has abused and taken advantage of others - you don’t go and have a little chat with Epstein to break off a friendship. He absolutely turns my stomach and the fact that he still lives in that mansion with his equally ex hideous wife is a stain on the Royal Family that they can’t shake.
As for Virginia, she knew what happened to her, whether we believe her or not. Personally, I believed her. I think she was a complex character. But I believe the narrative that she was abused.
Her poor children. They have to live with this now.
I was brought up to be a Royalist, and loved Diana. I think William and Catherine are the only hope for that family now.

Have you taken your medicine this morning?

It's OP's syntax. Not your projections.

Yes me too.

Why do threads about the royal family tend to involve so much drama and hyperbole ?

Very sad situation.

the investigation on the jeffrey epstein scandal has gone very quiet. Ghislane is the only person who has taken the rap here (rightly so). What about the others

What were the millions given for?

As usual, rich and privileged men get away with it. I'm glad Epstein faced justice. Many others won't.

That’s the sad reality - most will get away with it which is utterly depressing.

So any criticism of the Royal Family has to be a Russian bot and you're not kidding. You are attemting to smear by association.

Kidding !

Exactly this

You're misguided.

You're joining the dots the wrong way.

No but she was badly abused by her family badly abused by Jeffrey badly abused by a lot of older men of course she had mental health issues

And she did make an allegation against someone then retract it she was in a bad place and exploited a lot

Her death by suicide is very sad as was her whole younger life,but,in the eyes of the law Andrew has never been found guilty of anything , people may not like that and doubtless I’ll be slated for saying it, but it’s unproven in a court of law.

Presumably you’ve never heard of human trafficking and grooming? A 17 year old is still legally defined as a child. Any grown man that goes after children much younger than himself is a predator, whether they can consent or not.

This is a mad response.

Said like a true Russian bot.

Kidding.

What law?
This whole thread is about certain people being above law . That’s the point .

Yes, it's a tragic story of exploitation and grooming. So many girls and women are going through this, I'm glad VG found her voice and spoke up.
As usual, rich and privileged men get away with it. I'm glad Epstein faced justice. Many others won't.

Yes I agree - she is an appalling monster too.