Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

Tbf if you’re downplaying sex trafficking of a teenager you probably should feel ashamed of yourself.

On a side issue, I don't think the (late) Queen paid the £12m for him - my understanding was that it was a bridging loan until that Swiss chalet sold.

His breakfast will be sticking in his throat this morning…

I wonder how this will play out for him - will he be able to push it into the past now this lady can no longer speak out, or will it forever hound him? 🤔

I bet he will try and brazen it out and try and squirm back into the RF, grasping for money, keeping hold of the house etc? He cannot read the room, so probably!

This poor, poor lady…what a sad ending to so many years of misery for her.

There will be soul-searching for many today.

I don't think Prince Andrew would have made the final decision on that. Imagine if he had to go to America and answer questions on what he knew. I would imagine there were so many other important people involved who would be worried about what came out.

As I said on here, it was the year of the Queen's Platinum Jubilee so they wouldn't have wanted a court case to spoil that. Also the Queen was very elderly and ill at the time, so VG would have felt under pressure to settle out of Court.

I think he paid her off but politically and personally couldn’t accept liability. I think she killed herself because she had been abused in the past, and never really recovered from it. I think he is definitely liable but also Maxwell and Epstein are, and anyone else they encouraged to abuse her.

You know abhorrent abusers and traffickers like Epstein prey on troubled young girls.
They “know” which girls to target. Her story would be a long sad one before Andrew appeared. It doesn’t absolve him of guilt, by a long shot. But he will not be the only one responsible for how she felt about herself, she will have had years of being made to feel worthless but countless people who should have protected her.

This is the first I've heard about her suicide. I think I was only reading the other week that she thought she was going to die from a car accident.
That family have a lot of blood on their hands.

Where is your irrefutable evidence of this? We’d all like to know,

Perhaps not, but when he was accused of sex abuse by having sex with a woman who'd been trafficked, he* preferred to pay her off to make the allegations go away.

*and he had to do it with his mummy's money, as he's never managed to earn his own living since he stopped flying helicopters

Very tragic and I agree the morally Andrew should have been stripped of his Duke of York title -but that may have been hard for the family to do since my understanding is the case against him wasn’t strong enough for him to be legally convicted of anything (as is sadly the case in many rape accusations).

However as awful as he and his pals were to exploit a teenage girl, I’m not sure this whole tragedy can be laid at Andrew’s door - my understanding is that she having more recent problems with her own family (apparently estranged from her husband and children). Imo that would be the more likely reason she sadly decided to do this now.

It would be very hard to guess how much what happened to her in her past may still have influenced her present state of mind - she was strong enough to be one of the few to speak against Epstein and his cohorts, helped get him and Maxwell jailed and “won” a substantial amount of money out of court from Andrew. So that would suggest that there were more recent issues in her life that led to this tragedy.

No, it was definitely Andrew, both him and George Michael were heartthrobs.

But you are right about Koo Stark,forgot about that relationship, he had to break up with her because of her actress past.

That’s what I thought.

No need to be offensive OP.

It is much wider than this
The royals have along history of befriending and protecting pedophiles and other sex offenders

Precisely, @Ukisgaslit, and while Andrew serves as a useful diversion/lightning conductor, it seems to me a shame that this isn't more widely recognised

Poor woman, what happened to her left her with MH issues and when she posted online recetnly about an accident that probably didn't happen ceratin sections of the media and in fact some people on here too that as evidence she lied about everything.
IMO she was driven to suicide and i hope she finally has some peace now
My thoughts are with her family

There's nothing "colloquial" about paedophilia, Muffinmam, and while the legal definition may be a bit narrow that's no reason to turn the term into something it isn't

We can all see just how repulsive Andrew is, and while it wasn't going to happen it's a shame he never stood before a court, but for me at least there's enough to damn him for without dragging in untested allegations too

Personally I'm more bothered that we're expected to tolerate a known paedophile enabler as Head of State, but of course that's a whole other subject which IMO doesn't get anything like enough attention

He is sleaze, that goes without saying. She was trafficked, also true. She was not trafficked by him. We do not know the whole story because she was paid off. He was never charged nor found guilty of anything. The press and her lawyers went after him alone of all the predators involved because they knew the Royal Family would pay them to make it go away. Trump and Clinton amongst others were part of Epstein’s notorious “party circuit” - no-one’s chasing them for payouts, I wonder why not? This does not in any way excuse Prince A’s behaviour, but there has to be some wider perspective here.

Are you sure you're not confusing Andrew with Edward?

Andrew had loads of girlfriends before Sarah Ferguson, Koo Stark being the most "infamous".

Andrew is literally a paedophile and sexual predator.

It is much wider than this

The royals have along history of befriending and protecting pedophiles and other sex offenders
There had long been rumours around Mountbatten and it was all covered up . Anyone raising the issue was mocked and called a conspiracy theorist .
The royals let enough decades go by then drop the defence to focus on hiding more recent crimes .

As for Andrew being gay , I neither know nor care - there are rumours around several of the Windsors . Ironically being gay seems to be something else they cover up , despite it not being an issue for the general public

it was 24 years ago that the photograph was taken

Aye and it appears that an ex girlfirend and long time ally of Andrew is at the head of that bullying. Most reasonable folks will make the assumption no doubt with his blessing.

I would hazard a guess that it goes like this:

Anti-monarchists - assume he is guilty and are delighted to have mud to sling (the OP being the prime example). They have no care whether he is guilty or not or that they are revelling in someone else's distress, they just love the opportunity and relative freedom to make 'paedo' and 'rapist' jibes.

Monarchists - won't have a word said against him and will blindly argue forever that he's innocent.

The middle ground - those that actually look at the case and the evidence and take a view on that.

(I also think social media is increasingly highlighting how stupid people are. Accusing someone of being a 'paedo' without a shred of evidence given by anyone including VG herself is all kinds of stupid!).

Yes, apologies. I stand corrected. But he didn’t come here as a refugee, as was suggested by a previous poster. And even if poor in comparison to other royals, when he was younger, he still lived a very privileged life

One only has to read this thread to see that he could never clear his name, whatever a court verdict might have been. As my late mother used to say 'He got away with it' if it was someone she didn't like.