Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

The age of consent in America where he first met her is 18yrs..

This thread is a cesspit.

She was sexually trafficked at 17 years old. A child in the eyes of the law.

Gods, so many apologists.

She actually had to runaway from Epstein to be with her husband.

Trafficked slaves often still get paid…

Not being charged means nothing at all. Rape is basically legal in this country with only 3% even getting to court.

Most do have proof but the quota prevents them from getting to court.

Not at all but there needs to be proof, that's the law. How do you suggest the law should deal with allegations? Assume that a woman is always telling the truth?

I suppose it depends on whether or not a person believes that VG was telling the truth about PA. I believe that she was and that she spent the evening with him, but I have no idea if he knew she was trafficked which is what her civil case was based on

@2dogsandabudgie I think that's why it should have been allowed to continue, so that this could be investigated and concluded.

You are unreasonable and I certainly don't think he will now feel he has 'got away with it', on the contrary it will stir the business up again.

He may or may not have slept with Virginia Giuffre, we don't know, however so did many others and she was paid an awful lot of money many years later. She married and had children.

It is tragic that she took her own life but there must have been reasons for that; she was estranged from her children.

It's possible her husband knows quite a lot, no doubt the gutter press will do their utmost to prize information out of him. So far he's been pretty quiet.

He's a piece of shit.

I really feel for her kids and family. They've watched her go through decades of pain all for it to end so awfully.

Christ, I hate him. That he has the brass neck to roll his useless ass out for state events is an embarrassment to us all.

Karma needs to do better at coming for rich, white men.

Fuck him and all of the toady royalists who excuse his behaviour.

She was trafficked. Trafficking vitiates consent.

”I can well believe Andrew to be arrogant, entitled, not very bright, a poor judge of character, too easily flattered but I do not believe he would have sex with anyone without consent. No-one in his position, with years of being in the public eye, and of the gutter press, would be that stupid.”

@Meadowfinch

Lots of people like him have raped women. They think their fame etc make them untouchable.

I'm not sure you understand the specific circumstances here. She herself has said she was free to leave whenever she wanted, (which she did when she met her husband). She also claims she was paid £10k to have sex with him. She was groomed to think it was OK to accept money to sleep with high profile people. She gave her consent in return for money. The crime here is the grooming of a vulnerable person, there is no indication she didn't give consent.

Oh my god, I saw her interviewed on the Lorraine show about her romance novels, and she kept saying what an honourable man he is!

Andrew was likely offered sex while there so could hardly offend his benefactor by refusing.

Is that you Sarah?

And is still sex with a minor. It is only illegal if that person doesn't consent or if you are in a position of power such as a teacher.

Saying it is fine to have sex with a child because it is legal is still immoral.

Consent is the other issue in question which wasn't what I was discussing. Anyone who has sex with someone who is forced to say yes and cannot say no is illegal.

I was talking about the age. The age of him having sex with a child. He did have sex with a child.

i am a survivor of sexual abuse by two family members and sexual violence on two separate occasions from two different strangers and there have been times where the only way I felt I could manage the fear, the shame and the way it makes you feel like an object, a piece of meat, a nothing has taken me to some very dark places. There is no linear process that you follow and then come out at the end restored to the person you were or might have been before it all happened. I have a diagnosis of CPSTD which I manage well thanks to therapy and a good support system. My heart hurts for Virginia and while I was shocked to learn of her suicide I was not surprised and I have some idea albiet in a small way of the pain she could not longer live with.

It is over the age of consent so not illegal.

For someone like him that's probably worse than prison.

Living in a overcrowded jail with criminals , rats and roaches, yeah, I bet most inmates in his majesty's jails would agree with you, as opposed to a Grade II listed, 30-room mansion with over 90 acres of land. The poor man...

In a manner of speaking, yes. Many of us who have been abused consider ourselves very lucky to be alive. I used to feel suicidal almost every day as an 8 year old. Imagine a child experiencing that.

she is paying for her crimes.

I seem to remember reading years ago that there was a long and detailed file of undisclosed evidence lodged with Virginia's legal team,presumably in readiness for any future court case. I would expect that the 12 million or so pay off would be conditioned by a non disclosure order, most likely a lifetime one.
I wonder what,if anything,will be revealed now Virginia is no longer with us. A very sad end indeed.

Yes, men frequently marry women when they are younger, but usually at a later point in their lives, and not when a girl is in her mid teens. In this instance she was 17 year old, barely a woman, whilst he was 42 years old. Not good in any way.

Andrew hasn’t been accused of rape or trafficking though?

Which is still legally a child. You become an adult at 18. So you support sex with children?

Yes you're being unreasonable. I think it was the current husband problems and not seeing her children, that tipped her over the edge.
Andrew is a pompous self-entitled git, but I don't believe he went to Epstein's looking for sex. His weakness is money, that's why he was there. Epstein had already given Andrew's wife a hefty sum.
Andrew was likely offered sex while there so could hardly offend his benefactor by refusing. Epstein and Maxwell were a warped pair, I think they would have got a kick out of it.

Virginia Giuffre must have been a strong woman to have fought the case. I can so empathise with her, having her children turned against her. No money can compensate for that.