Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

DH thinks it could be dodgy, in the way Epstein’s “suicide” was dodgy.

I cannot bear the odious moron, but he wasn't a paedophile. VG was over the age of consent and was a fully developed woman (physically at least).

Sadly, very sadly, I think PA genuinely can't remember having sex with her because she would have just been one of many pretty, but anonymous young women provided for his amusement.

Knowing what a hugely conceited oaf that he is, he probably genuinely believed these young women were thrilled to have sex with a real, actual prince of the realm.

I think PA was completely speaking the truth when he admitted that he 'just didn't notice people like that' i.e. VG. He'd spent his life being serviced and pandered to buy an endless stream of faceless enablers. She was just one among hundreds.

It's the casual callousness that is heartbreaking.

Am I being unreasonable to say that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - the Duke of York and member of the Royal Family has blood on his hands following the tragic suicide of Virginia Giuffre?

The BBC have reported that she was sexually abused at the age of 7. Even if Andrew did what she accused him of she had clearly already been set on a tragic course, so I'm not sure why you're homing in on him. Unless you've got an unhealthy Prince Andrew fixation.

But this isn’t employment law, it’s a v rich member of the RF vs the woman he so obviously raped. He likely settled because he was guilty and made a huge fuck up of coming across as the world’s biggest liar on TV when asked about it

Dramatic to want a sex offender to be accountable for his actions? Ok.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to “go after” people who’ve raped you without proof? Men are denying they never even knew Epstein. Virginia had a photograph however which made things much easier

It's a bit like offering drugs before the envelope is passed over. "If I refuse will I still get the dosh"
Can't you just hear that slimy pair saying "We have someone here Andrew, she's been longing to meet you." Click, click goes the camera ensuring future security against the cash.
I despise people like Andrew and his wife, always hustling for money. It's grubby.

🎶Oh the Grand Old Duke of York,
He had 12 million quid,
He gave it to someone he never met,
For something he never did.🎶

People don´t just take their life because their life suddenly got hard. Taking your own life is a last resort. You would only do it because you gave up hope.

Can I be a 100% certain that only reason she felt like she couldn't living? No, there might have been contributing factors, but I am 99% certain that without this trauma, other problems would be a lot easier to handle.

Also at the time Andrew had so much choice in terms of women eager to sleep with him. He wasn't that desperate that the only available option was someone who was trafficked; in fact I think that would have hurt his ego.

I think he was so completely self absorbed that he didn't actually give it a moment's thought

Yes, I think VG was brought in by Ghislaine Maxwell and taught to massage.
At the time I think VG's father worked at Mar A Largo.

Not all parents are responsible. Some would have just wanted the money. I think we need to remember, there are some shit awful parents out there

I think we have to remember that these young girls that were procured by Maxwell were very vulnerable. They were living on trailer parks, they had parents who were drug addicts, a couple of them had been homeless apparently. They were picked up and groomed in Malls, outside schools, as long as they looked young enough they were fine for Epstein. They were promised training as masseuses, modelling contracts, anything to get them onside and malleable

I always wondered where the parents were in this.
Teen daughter being flown around the world in private jets etc is not normal in the slightest.

Yes, they are being labeed as Middle Eastern unofficial diplomats or some such other crap. Funny isn't it that he just managed to convince the Royal officials that he could maintain his sprawling Royal estate because he had the money, after their forays over there

So the pictures in the paper with a closed eye cuts and bruises all over her face was just make up was it?
I find it very distasteful but you are talking like this about someone who has literally just committed suicide

At that time Andrew was (believe it or not) a heartthrob and a player. Lots of girls would have slept with him; he was used to all this adulation so probably didn't think anything of it.
I also think he's sleazy BUT that doesn't make him a paedophile. I honestly don't think he's interested then or now in little kids. She was 17, at the lower end, but still within the "groupie" age which was probably under 25. She was a woman, not a little girl.
I also honestly don't think his own daughters would support him if they for one moment thought he was interested in children.

And carrying on their fathers work of attending events in the Middle East as 'envoys' for something or other, despite having no qualifications or experience.

Yes I think her father drove her there and dropped her off. They clearly couldn't give a damn about anything except the money she was being given. They got a massive payout too apparently.

Yeah and most ordinary families have that one relative who makes your heart sink when you know your going to have to attend the same function as them and inspires a mutter of "oh no, X isn't coming are they? They're a right knobber". The royals are no different.

I read somewhere that her parents allowed her to go and live with Epstein's at age 14.
I've always thought they were responsible for what happened to their child.
It's all very sleazy. I hope she RIP now.

She was recently involved in a traffic accident where she claimed a bus hit her at high speed causing major life threatening injuries. Apparently it was a minor accident with no recorded injuries. One report I read suggested she wasn't actually in the car.

They also seem to turn up to the opening of an envelope.

Absolutely. They are cut from the same cloth. Thousands of pounds as gifts, diamond necklaces and whatever. I am sorry to say they are their father's daughters.

He's a pig of a man and will rot in hell alongside Epstein. That poor woman had her life destroyed.

I agree with you absolutely. However, not the last sentence. The only people who seem to be embracing Andrew are his (ex) wife and daughters. Going to the same church for the Easter Sunday service doesn't really mean much..