Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - you have blood on your hands

Personally I think loyalty is an admirable quality in a person, and presumably they believe that he is innocent of the accusation. Maybe he is? Think about that for just a second in the midst of all the hysterical derision?

I am sure Andrew is very grateful for you sticking up for him. You OBVIOUSLY don't believe he slept with Virginia because you have said this sort of thing many times on this forum

So, Andrew wasn't even at Epstein's mansion or island? Despite the fact it is proven he was there and there is footage of him. And flight logs of him on the Lolita Express.

Call it hysterical if you like. My thoughts are with Virginia Guiffrie's family and all the survivors of what Epstein and Maxwell put those girls through. There are many accounts out there. You ought to read them. They are heartbreaking.

They're about as rational as he is then!

This thread is a cesspit with people hysterically making shit up that they don't know anything about!!

Could people maybe work with facts instead of making accusations they have no foundation for?

There are NO apologists here - just some of us have more regard for truth and facts than others. There are some disgraceful posts on this thread!

Andrew is universally condemned and for good reason but we will probably never know whether he slept with VG nor whether (if he did) he knew she was trafficked. All the accusations in the world will not change that!!

I wonder if her death will lead to any information emerging?

Well they were not caused by a car accident.

Church on Easter Sunday was not a "state event".

The Jubilee celebrations would only have been part of the decision.

A settlement is not "immoral". They are common in law!!

Well I stand by what I think about him. And that his wife is an arsehole.

What a horrible post! Whatever he has or hasn't done, his ex-wife and daughters supporting him does not make them "arseholes"!!!!

Personally I think loyalty is an admirable quality in a person, and presumably they believe that he is innocent of the accusation. Maybe he is? Think about that for just a second in the midst of all the hysterical derision?

I wonder what reading all of the hate towards him does to his mental health?

I would not trust anything from the Daily Mail. They are now having a field day, by way of a change. I am going to wait and see what comes out now, especially if her husband has anything to say.

I don't seem to be able to get 'Surviving Jeffrey Epstein' here in the UK.

Her family have made a statement saying it was suicide.

That's absolute crap. Settlements of this type are common!

It would probably have cost more to fight than to run it, plus God only knows who else he would have had to implicate, plus the Queen was ill and frail and it was her Platinum Jubilee so they didn't want a court case distracting from that. It was the eminently sensible thing to do. He couldn't prove he didn't do it and she couldn't prove that he did!

Yes. I'm reminded of how the parents of Michael Jackson's alleged victims let them sleep over at his house.

The documentary series Surviving Jeffrey Epstein demonstrates very well how and why the victims were sucked in to Epstein and Maxwell's world and why they felt powerless to leave, even if they weren't actually locked up. Many of the girls and young women had mothers who were in prison or on drugs and absent fathers. Another similarity was that many of them had already been abused as younger children, as Virginia was. There was no adult to stand up for them, and the two abusers were as rich and powerful as it's possible to be. They threatened Virginia with harming her little brother and they said they basically owned the Palm Beach police. As some lawyers in the documentary series said, these were people you didn't want to cross. For young, alone, disadvantaged girls in their teens, Epstein and Maxwell would have been impossible to stand up to, especially after all the grooming.

I am so, so sorry for Virginia, that after all her fighting, her life has ended this way.

I believe her about Prince Andrew, too. The Mail on Sunday ran an article with a photographer who had met with Virginia in 2011. He had seen and photographed the original of that snap of PA and Virginia together, and photographed the back of it. It had a time/date/location stamp fitting her US-UK movements.

So yes, I believe her, and I think Prince Andrew bears some of the blame for being one of the many abusers that Virginia suffered in her life.

When I found out more about her life story and that of other victims via the documentary, I thanked God for my parents and the life I had. Some young people have no one who cares about them.

Bullshit.

He was a working royal (and I don't know why I can't get rid of the underline!

Most 'ordinary' families don't claim to represent their country, and these are public events that Andrew is attending; so it is very very different. It is not as though the RF don't have form for ruthlessly distancing family members when they want to.

Me too. Petty name calling, her name is Sarah Ferguson.

Well it is his name.

You're joking.

On a thread that is linked to Jeffrey Epstien, you claim "Being a racist, rapist, wife beater, thief, even murderer is something that can be paid away if you're a rich white man."

Remind me, what happened to Jeffery?

If I didn't have a dog to walk, I'd write you a long list of rich, white famous men who've been convicted of crimes in the UK.
As for "facing the consequences of their actions", it's difficult not to when there's video evidence of the crime.

The documentary seemed to suggest that parents were groomed to a degree, also. Lots of lies and manipulation and parents being blinded by the wealth and status of Epstein and Maxwell. No different to the parents who allowed their kids to sleep in the bedroom of Michael Jackson etc.

People who make excuses for this kind of coercive behaviour really are the lowest of the low.

Something I did think at the time, was that Andrew was badly advised.
How many men ask proof of a woman's age, her CV and life story before sleeping with her?
He also may have known what the horrible twosome were up to of course.

And the reason those cases have been brought to our attention is why?

Because they usually face the consequences of their actions.

If Trump was a black man he would be in jail now. He certainly wouldn't be President.

Being a racist, rapist, wife beater, thief, even murderer is something that can be paid away if you're a rich white man.

It was reported at the time that there wasn't an NDA attached to the settlement between both parties.

Another dodgy "suicide". Another very "convenient" death.
Poor woman, trafficked whilst under age to men old enough to be her father.

This is all very dodgy and sad. Yes, the traumatic experience of her being trafficked to these disgusting pigs who have not really faced consequences was probably a contributing factor to her pain and ultimately her suicide.

No PA will not be held accountable( His security is being paid for by Charles and still lives in a Royal residence. Not being able to do "royal duties"/ photo ops does not equal being seriously held accountable, especially when it comes to sleeping with a trafficked minor).