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Teacher showing photos to kids of victorian dead children - slightly disturbing

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whyiwonderwhy · 25/04/2025 23:51

I am finding this so disturbing I can't sleep! However I might be being oversensitive, who knows. It is the "but - WHY?" bit which is bothering me most.

The lesson was about the industrial revolution, and the subject of photography came up, 2 of the earliest photos were shown to the class (13-14yo) and then....I wish I could say the teacher showed photos of some of the extraordinary engineering inventions of the day, or of busy streets, or China, or something wonderful and extraordinary...but no, the teacher showed 10 photos of dead children and talked about how the Victorians would photograph dead children as though they were still alive, with the rest of the family, in a commemorative way. I have seen some in the past (I didn't learn about it at school however) and they are moving and tragic and disturbing. Nothing else, just these photos.

Just wondering...why? why would the teacher do this? Any ideas?

This teacher has form by the way. A lot of it. But this has for some reason blindsided me.

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whyiwonderwhy · 28/04/2025 11:11

HuffleMyPuffle · 28/04/2025 10:53

Because there aren't any obviously

Obviously!

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whyiwonderwhy · 28/04/2025 11:09

HonestAquaMember · 28/04/2025 10:53

The fact that the teacher is still teaching, despite you saying SLT agreed with other 'issues' tells me that there aren't any issues. As a teacher, if there were any issues, that teacher would be removed!

It wasn't the SLT I spoke to. It was not someone from the school.

But yes you are right, in one respect, as the decision was obviously taken that all should be left as it was.

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whyiwonderwhy · 28/04/2025 11:07

adviceneeded1990 · 28/04/2025 10:54

The “higher up” people often agree with people like you in meetings etc because it makes you go away faster.

Really?! Oh yes! To make parents go away faster! What was I thinking?!

You guys are on form today too!

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whyiwonderwhy · 28/04/2025 11:06

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soupyspoon · 28/04/2025 10:54

Im more disturbed by the back to front phrasing in your thread title OP.

But these photos are part of history, its part of our historic culture, its what was in fashion at the time. Like people will look back on road side shrines and shudder, we do the same about dead people propped up in a chair dressed in their Sunday best.

adviceneeded1990 · 28/04/2025 10:54

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The “higher up” people often agree with people like you in meetings etc because it makes you go away faster.

HonestAquaMember · 28/04/2025 10:53

The fact that the teacher is still teaching, despite you saying SLT agreed with other 'issues' tells me that there aren't any issues. As a teacher, if there were any issues, that teacher would be removed!

HuffleMyPuffle · 28/04/2025 10:53

whyiwonderwhy · 28/04/2025 10:16

I think if you read all my posts you may intuite an answer to your question!

Which would be a firm no.

Because there aren't any obviously

WearyAuldWumman · 28/04/2025 10:53

PocketBattleship · 26/04/2025 00:08

Wait till they see the graphic car crash aftermath photos we got shown as a deterrent against getting involved in vehicle crime.

Our LA used to book a local cinema and it would be filled with seniors from several Scottish high schools. Not a great idea, to be honest.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 28/04/2025 10:52

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Get a grip. Your DC is a teenager and like many teenagers has seen much worse on YouTube or media messages.
My DD would love the lesson.

Member869894 · 28/04/2025 10:51

You can't sleep because your DC's teacher showed your DCs some examples of death photography? Please get a grip

whyiwonderwhy · 28/04/2025 10:49

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whyiwonderwhy · 28/04/2025 10:48

Friendlynortherner · 28/04/2025 10:35

She's not incorrect. Historian here - in large part, it's an internet hoax. Specifically, there is no contemporary evidence that dead subjects were ever posed as if living. See the link I gave upthread, which gives a reputable debunking of this.
I'd be really interested to see any contemporary evidence of this practice, or any instances of reputable historians giving credence to this, or any peer-reviewed journal articles that discuss this supposed practice.

So far as I can tell, the only 'evidence ' of this occurring is a bunch of randoms on the internet claiming that this or that photo shows a dead subject posed as if alive.

Sorry to get so worked up, but I find it concerning that a history teacher is teaching this as fact, without having interrogated the sources.

When you say you are a historian, do you mean you are an academic attached to one of the universities, and this is your area of expertise? Not really to do with the thread (the thread is about the teacher rather than the subject matter tbh) but since hoax has been raised it would be good to know more.

I skimmed over your link, I am sorry, as the name on the link didn't look like a good source - if it is my mistake then apologies. Who is the source and what are their credentials and would you mind linking again if it is at your fingertips so that I don't have to scroll back?

There is a BBC article about the photos and whilst I wouldn't say BBC journalism is the same as it once was, I am surprised they would print something without any basis at all. Perhaps some of the photos are genuine, and some are hoaxes?

Thanks

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Ilovecleaning · 28/04/2025 10:47

Ilovecleaning · 28/04/2025 10:33

Ok. Thanks. I obviously missed your post when I skimmed through.

I’ve read through and haven’t seen anything specific, unless you mean that details of the teacher’s “form” would be outing. I was going to suggest, however, that if you are worried about other things the teacher has focused on them you might need to contact the school. The teacher might young/inexperienced but there might be a reasonable explanation. I presume the Industrial Revolution course hasn’t finished, in which case there will be plenty of time to cover Victorian engineering etc.
As a retired high school teacher I do find it odd that the teacher showed those photos. As a teacher, I may have shown one or two photos but not ones showing children.
It does seem bizarre.

adviceneeded1990 · 28/04/2025 10:42

Happyinarcon · 26/04/2025 08:49

I’m chiming in here without reading the thread. Definitely complain to the teacher. It’s happening all over schools now where they will will push traumatic things onto kids. I noticed about 4 or 5 instances of inappropriate subject matter or inappropriate teacher sharing of their personal life before speaking up eventually, when a reading book for 14/15 year olds had a disturbing sexual assault in it - which confusingly was the one segment the teacher chose to read out in class despite her agreeing with me later that it was inappropriate.
This was across a variety of different teachers and 2 different schools so it’s definitely happening everywhere. Schools now are WEIRD. If it’s not them showing kids awful photos it’s them pushing the trans agenda or pretending they can’t do anything about your child being bullied into mental health issues

Why is a teenager knowing that sexual assault is a thing inappropriate? Wouldn’t you have had consent discussions etc long before 14/15? So many people now label everything as “trauma” and I worry massively that we are going to have a whole generation of people in the work place who simply cannot cope with exposure to anything. People I know in managerial roles give overwhelming feedback that the new starters coming out of school today are completely unprepared for real life! I heard a story recently about the mother of one 19 year old picking boxes in the freezer section of a warehouse phoned his boss (my Dad’s colleague) to complain her child was cold 🙈. Reading MN, this doesn’t surprise me! We need to be trauma informed and aware of feelings but we also need to prepare children for the fact that in the real world no one cares and there is a level of just getting on with it that comes with adult life!

RandomDepressedPun · 28/04/2025 10:37

whyiwonderwhy · 28/04/2025 10:15

Can you provide sources for anything you say? You are incorrect and I would be interested to know what made you think all this.

Off the top of my head no, but purely because I wanted to be a Funeral Director when I was younger and in lieu of being able to actually do it (disability) I read extensively on pretty much everything to do with funereal customs in western cultures. So it was largely info gleaned over the past 20 years, as well as having a minor in manual photography. However, there is an excellent TikTokker called Mama Macabre who has extensive expertise on Memento Mori and talks through photographs, customs and evidence (both cultural and photographic). I will warn you as a courtesy though, her channel contains many many many images of the dead of all ages, including babies and some of whom were embalmed less well than others. She also addresses images found on line and whether they are fake or not.

It is far easier to tell a definitely deceased person than someone ambiguous, if that makes sense. There are tell tale
signs that if present means definitely deceased (faint mottling of the face or a sunken mouth, darker shading to feet even if lying down) and if not present - well, if not present it could be either way. The supposedly ‘posed as alive’ images usually have slight blurring on the facial features which is an indication of life - corpses don’t move - but not all live pictures have blurring as some people can stay still better than others.

AlleycatMarie · 28/04/2025 10:37

adviceneeded1990 · 28/04/2025 10:33

You know every teen in the history class on a personal level and have an in-depth idea of what motivates them? And you could engage them all perfectly? With skills like that you are wasted in whatever your industry is and you should definitely try teaching.

OP, unless you are a teacher you have no idea about engaging a class full of students of this age, day in, day out. (If you are a teacher of this age group, then I apologise and please disregard the comment).

Lyannaa · 28/04/2025 10:36

whyiwonderwhy · 26/04/2025 00:02

right back at you, my lovely

You can’t post on AIBU and then get shirty if you’re sensitive to responses like this. This is the tone of the board.

Look, when my dd was in year 9, they were shown photos of Jack the ripper’s crimes. I think that was worse. Some things are a bit morbid but are part of history. Year 9 is old enough to learn about such things. IMO

Friendlynortherner · 28/04/2025 10:36

Moier · 28/04/2025 10:18

We were shown pictures of the Holocaust at that age.
I think much worse.
Surely your children will have or will be learning about that .
You can't change history ..

See my posts up-thread. Evidently, you can!

Hmm1234 · 28/04/2025 10:35

whyiwonderwhy · 25/04/2025 23:51

I am finding this so disturbing I can't sleep! However I might be being oversensitive, who knows. It is the "but - WHY?" bit which is bothering me most.

The lesson was about the industrial revolution, and the subject of photography came up, 2 of the earliest photos were shown to the class (13-14yo) and then....I wish I could say the teacher showed photos of some of the extraordinary engineering inventions of the day, or of busy streets, or China, or something wonderful and extraordinary...but no, the teacher showed 10 photos of dead children and talked about how the Victorians would photograph dead children as though they were still alive, with the rest of the family, in a commemorative way. I have seen some in the past (I didn't learn about it at school however) and they are moving and tragic and disturbing. Nothing else, just these photos.

Just wondering...why? why would the teacher do this? Any ideas?

This teacher has form by the way. A lot of it. But this has for some reason blindsided me.

They are old enough to understand/ handle the pictures. Especially with all the knife crime going around at that age.

Friendlynortherner · 28/04/2025 10:35

whyiwonderwhy · 28/04/2025 10:15

Can you provide sources for anything you say? You are incorrect and I would be interested to know what made you think all this.

She's not incorrect. Historian here - in large part, it's an internet hoax. Specifically, there is no contemporary evidence that dead subjects were ever posed as if living. See the link I gave upthread, which gives a reputable debunking of this.
I'd be really interested to see any contemporary evidence of this practice, or any instances of reputable historians giving credence to this, or any peer-reviewed journal articles that discuss this supposed practice.

So far as I can tell, the only 'evidence ' of this occurring is a bunch of randoms on the internet claiming that this or that photo shows a dead subject posed as if alive.

Sorry to get so worked up, but I find it concerning that a history teacher is teaching this as fact, without having interrogated the sources.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 28/04/2025 10:34

GiveDogBone · 27/04/2025 18:15

Wait till they cover the Kennedy assassination and he puts on the Zapruder footage.

Is that on the curriculum? If you’re joking, it’s actually quite a good idea. It would engage some teens who aren’t natural History enthusiasts.

whyiwonderwhy · 28/04/2025 10:33

Mh67 · 26/04/2025 12:32

The teachers follow a curriculum. They don't choose what to show/ teach

Same question - can you link something to indicate that these pictures form part of the curriculum? Thanks

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adviceneeded1990 · 28/04/2025 10:33

whyiwonderwhy · 26/04/2025 00:51

Really saddens me to hear this from a teacher. I studied the industrial revolution at school and at degree level, and I know the teacher and I know the kids and yes I would be able to engage the class without resorting to this sort of weirdness. I know exactly what i am talking about and you really don't. Sorry.

You know every teen in the history class on a personal level and have an in-depth idea of what motivates them? And you could engage them all perfectly? With skills like that you are wasted in whatever your industry is and you should definitely try teaching.

Ilovecleaning · 28/04/2025 10:33

whyiwonderwhy · 28/04/2025 10:16

I think if you read all my posts you may intuite an answer to your question!

Which would be a firm no.

Ok. Thanks. I obviously missed your post when I skimmed through.

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