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Teacher showing photos to kids of victorian dead children - slightly disturbing

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whyiwonderwhy · 25/04/2025 23:51

I am finding this so disturbing I can't sleep! However I might be being oversensitive, who knows. It is the "but - WHY?" bit which is bothering me most.

The lesson was about the industrial revolution, and the subject of photography came up, 2 of the earliest photos were shown to the class (13-14yo) and then....I wish I could say the teacher showed photos of some of the extraordinary engineering inventions of the day, or of busy streets, or China, or something wonderful and extraordinary...but no, the teacher showed 10 photos of dead children and talked about how the Victorians would photograph dead children as though they were still alive, with the rest of the family, in a commemorative way. I have seen some in the past (I didn't learn about it at school however) and they are moving and tragic and disturbing. Nothing else, just these photos.

Just wondering...why? why would the teacher do this? Any ideas?

This teacher has form by the way. A lot of it. But this has for some reason blindsided me.

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InterIgnis · 26/04/2025 00:19

whyiwonderwhy · 26/04/2025 00:16

My text books didn't include any disturbing photos. They included themes and analyses and facts and things like that. In fact, none of my degree level texts included disturbing photos either. I suspect you are younger than me, the trend for disturbing stuff is relatively recent.

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’the trend for disturbing stuff is relatively recent’

No, no it isn’t. Just look at the Victorians…

Ruthietuthie · 26/04/2025 00:18

Actually, interestingly, the invention of the camera runs parallel to Victorian death images. The first wide-spread use of the camera was to photograph the dead (who were good subjects as they stayed still!). Often, the death photograph was the only photograph ever taken of a person, and thus the only photograph a family would have. To me, it is an intriguing point in the history of industrialization and technology development.
So much of what we do with the dead now begins in the Victorian era and other historical moments. In the US, for example, it was the civil war which introduced embalming, as people wanted to bring those who died on the battle-field home. And embalming created a new vision of what death looked like and professionalized death in new ways, in ways that ran parallel to the invention of photography.
Do you know the dog listening to the gramophone which is the symbol for HMV? HMV stands for "His master's voice," and the dog, if you see the full image, is listening to a gramophone that is placed on top of a coffin. The first use of gramophones was not to listen to music, but to have a way of preserving the voices of the dead.
Seems pretty interesting to me. And pretty linked to changing British society in this period.

whyiwonderwhy · 26/04/2025 00:16

Cattenberg · 26/04/2025 00:15

We were never shown these in school history lessons, although our textbooks did include a few disturbing photos, such as the hanging of two WWII partisans and a pile of corpses in a concentration camp. Arguably, these were much worse.

My text books didn't include any disturbing photos. They included themes and analyses and facts and things like that. In fact, none of my degree level texts included disturbing photos either. I suspect you are younger than me, the trend for disturbing stuff is relatively recent.

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ilovesooty · 26/04/2025 00:16

whyiwonderwhy · 26/04/2025 00:11

Yes, this is true, but there are a lot more relevant and useful things to spend time on.

I'm sure the teacher would really appreciate your input into her lesson planning.

5foot5 · 26/04/2025 00:16

InterIgnis · 26/04/2025 00:08

Disease spreads quickly in highly populated urban areas, and disease often resulted in death. Due to the Industrial Revolution, people flocked to cities, and this was one of the consequences. The Victorians as a result developed very elaborate mourning customs.

It was a notable social change that was certainly shaped by the Industrial Revolution.

That's interesting. And yes, I do realise that the Industrial Revolution created a lot of social change.

I think it's important that this sort of thing is taught, but hope that it is alongside other important changes that led to this.

Still not sure why OP was expecting China.

Pieceofpurplesky · 26/04/2025 00:16

Bizarrely I have had a conversation along these lines with my (Year 7) form this week - didn’t show photos. It came from them asking about the Pope and the open casket, we talked about how it used to be more common and I used it as an example of how people used to record deaths.

InterIgnis · 26/04/2025 00:15

whyiwonderwhy · 26/04/2025 00:11

Yes, this is true, but there are a lot more relevant and useful things to spend time on.

I’m sure the teacher will also cover other aspects for the Industrial Revolution. It’s a subject that will require more than one lesson.

I don’t believe Victorian death customs are unimportant topic at all, or unworthy of being the subject of a lesson. It’s a part of social history, and a not insignificant part of Victorian culture.

whyiwonderwhy · 26/04/2025 00:15

steff13 · 26/04/2025 00:13

You could ask the teacher why.

Mmm I could. After my child has left the school.

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Cattenberg · 26/04/2025 00:15

We were never shown these in school history lessons, although our textbooks did include a few disturbing photos, such as the hanging of two WWII partisans and a pile of corpses in a concentration camp. Arguably, these were much worse.

whyiwonderwhy · 26/04/2025 00:13

meevee · 26/04/2025 00:06

@whyiwonderwhy you must be new here? questioning a teacher! 😱😆

I know! But sometimes there are sensible normal people around!! This is actually quite therapeutic as it is making me laugh.

Yes, it was a fantastic idea to show these photos and not show any of the extraordinary engineering feats of the period! What was I thinking?!

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steff13 · 26/04/2025 00:13

You could ask the teacher why.

InterIgnis · 26/04/2025 00:12

whyiwonderwhy · 26/04/2025 00:05

Yes i see that but the subject was the industrial revolution - so the only way to engage the class is to show them photos of dead children and nothing else?! Really?!! Not about the actual amazing inventions of the industrial revolution? i mean showing photos of children working down mines would at least be on topic!

Depends on what aspect of the Industrial Revolution, surely? I doubt this is the only lesson they’ll have on the wider topic.

Victorian death customs are a part of social history, and certainly an attention grabber. I wouldn’t be surprised if the teacher saw higher levels of engagement in this lesson tbh.

whyiwonderwhy · 26/04/2025 00:11

InterIgnis · 26/04/2025 00:08

Disease spreads quickly in highly populated urban areas, and disease often resulted in death. Due to the Industrial Revolution, people flocked to cities, and this was one of the consequences. The Victorians as a result developed very elaborate mourning customs.

It was a notable social change that was certainly shaped by the Industrial Revolution.

Yes, this is true, but there are a lot more relevant and useful things to spend time on.

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whyiwonderwhy · 26/04/2025 00:10

NC28 · 26/04/2025 00:04

Mainstream news has shown the Pope’s body in various locations for days on end now. Does that upset you, or is it maybe the child aspect of it?

FWIW, there’s a culture somewhere that puts dead people in poses as if they’re living - fully dressed and sitting in a chair, playing the piano etc. The family will pose for photos, sit beside them. They always have sunglasses on because I suppose that’s a dead giveaway (so to speak!). I find that really unsettling.

It doesn't upset me at all, and the victorian photos of dead children don't upset me either. But the victorian photos are exactly as you describe - sitting them dressed as though alive - like a row of children with the dead child at the end propped up as though alive. Or two children hugging their dead mother but the mother is sat up with eyes open as though alive. So that is what I meant by slightly disturbing.

But as I said in the OP it was the "but why show these photos in that lesson" ie the wtf element to it which i very disturbing.

It just seems so weird to me to do that. It was the context. The photos were completely out of context

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OoooopsUpsideYourHead · 26/04/2025 00:10

Tbrh · 26/04/2025 00:07

How rude. Educate yourself on other cultures, it's not disturbing at all having an open casket. I'd find it slightly odd, but 13 and 14 yo have probably seen much more disturbing things in all honesty.

Whilst I don't think it's disturbing either as it's completely normal in my Irish culture, I don't think we get to dictate what other people find disturbing.

And how is it rude to find it so?

lostinthesunshine · 26/04/2025 00:09

I thought you were going to say gory pictures of a horrible accident, or something like that.

I think you are being quite pearl-clutchy.

Were any of them at all upset by it?

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 26/04/2025 00:09

They’re 13/14, not 5. I think you are over reacting and your kids are likely to have seen far worse elsewhere.

KilkennyCats · 26/04/2025 00:08

This is really coming between you and your sleep, op?!

InterIgnis · 26/04/2025 00:08

5foot5 · 26/04/2025 00:01

Not particularly shocked about the photos, but wondering what the has to do with the Industrial Revolution. Or why you expected it to cover China. Unless you thought the lesson should take in the Opium Wars or something

Disease spreads quickly in highly populated urban areas, and disease often resulted in death. Due to the Industrial Revolution, people flocked to cities, and this was one of the consequences. The Victorians as a result developed very elaborate mourning customs.

It was a notable social change that was certainly shaped by the Industrial Revolution.

spirit20 · 26/04/2025 00:08

If it were primary school, I'd perhaps find it a little concerning, but this is Year 9. I don't see the issue. There are far worse things that the teacher could have shown them.

PocketBattleship · 26/04/2025 00:08

Wait till they see the graphic car crash aftermath photos we got shown as a deterrent against getting involved in vehicle crime.

Tbrh · 26/04/2025 00:07

pikkumyy77 · 25/04/2025 23:59

People still have open casket funerals. Victorian death photography is not very disturbing compared to that.

How rude. Educate yourself on other cultures, it's not disturbing at all having an open casket. I'd find it slightly odd, but 13 and 14 yo have probably seen much more disturbing things in all honesty.

meevee · 26/04/2025 00:06

@whyiwonderwhy you must be new here? questioning a teacher! 😱😆

whyiwonderwhy · 26/04/2025 00:05

Pyjamatimenow · 26/04/2025 00:00

Is this y9? Notoriously difficult to engage if so. Teacher was probably a bit desperate. Not a hill I would die on.

Yes i see that but the subject was the industrial revolution - so the only way to engage the class is to show them photos of dead children and nothing else?! Really?!! Not about the actual amazing inventions of the industrial revolution? i mean showing photos of children working down mines would at least be on topic!

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NC28 · 26/04/2025 00:04

Mainstream news has shown the Pope’s body in various locations for days on end now. Does that upset you, or is it maybe the child aspect of it?

FWIW, there’s a culture somewhere that puts dead people in poses as if they’re living - fully dressed and sitting in a chair, playing the piano etc. The family will pose for photos, sit beside them. They always have sunglasses on because I suppose that’s a dead giveaway (so to speak!). I find that really unsettling.

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