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AIBU to want to make a complaint about a physiotherapist?

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Toooldforallthisnow · 25/04/2025 23:10

DH currently in hospital (NHS) after a fall, doing ok, but can't come home yet. He is being well looked after and has a physiotherapist who is seeing him regularly.

I visit DH most days, and I have seen this physiotherapist several times now. I have no complaint about the care she is giving DH and he seems very happy with her, indeed she is incredibly personable towards him - however, when speaking to me she is somewhat aloof to the point of rudeness. I am not one to let this sort of thing go unnoticed, so when I saw her yesterday, I asked her if I may have a word in private.

I told her that I was aware of her attitude towards me, and how I'd done nothing to warrant it, so asked if she could explain the reason for being so curt. She looked me in the eye and said that while she didn't expect me to know who she was, she remembered me from when I taught her in junior school.

I had a very brief career as a teacher during the very late 1980s. I hated everything about teaching, so much that after qualifying and taking a position in a school, I only spent eight months in the job. I left without completing a single academic year. I then retrained into another and completely different field, and moved some thirty or more miles away. I almost never speak of my time in teaching as it was the lowest point of my life, and I went on to make a new life for myself. Teaching was not for me and put it all behind me.

Long story short, physiotherapist said while she appreciated she had been one of the more (to use her words) "lucky" pupils, and that I'd only ever shouted at her, she remembered well how I'd smacked some of the other children, and even thrown someones desk across the room.

I cannot deny this, I was young (26) and although it wasn't technically allowed, smacking was something which still went on in schools. I don't remember doing it very often. I do remember shouting, and I do remember the incident with the desk, after a child had pushed me to my limit. It was soon after that I went on long-term sick. But no matter what, I never had a single complaint made against me by anyone.

I am shocked this woman remembers so much, I even wonder if in her mind she has exaggerated some of it, but regardless of that I think she is using it inappropriately to influence the way she speaks to me. She told me that while she realises she has been abrupt, she cannot forget the way I had been towards a group of children (from memory they would have been aged 9 or 10). She said I was more than welcome to make a complaint about her, but given that I am not her patient and that the reason for her being the way towards me has nothing to do with what she called the "protected characteristics" (I had to look that one up), there wasn't a great deal I could expect.

I have to admit, this altercation has riled me further. I am not denying my past, heaven knows I have admitted it here, but do I really have to be held hostage to it?

YABU - don't complain

YANBU - complain, this is not professional behaviour in this day and age.

OP posts:
Horses7 · 26/04/2025 05:47

YABU and I’m shocked at how you behaved as a teacher during the 80’s, however you should move on and forget it after you’ve had one last chat with the physio.
In your shoes I would apologise to her explaining the reasons for your behaviour. Remember this is her career and you shouldn’t complain and try to derail it - that would be morally wrong.

aramox1 · 26/04/2025 05:46

Where on earth was physical violence in use in schools in the late 1980s? I remember it being disallowed in the mid70s.

Newnameforaday88 · 26/04/2025 05:33

I trained as a teacher in the late 80’s and started teaching in the early 90’s and “smacking” was certainly not something that was acceptable then, you are well aware that you were a truly terrible teacher who has clearly traumatised her pupils. What’s good is that you recognised it, left and hopefully have a career where you don’t bully and abuse people.
please don’t make a complaint against the physio, it sounds like she’s doing a good job with your dh and being nice to you is not really part of that. Let her do her job and stay out of her way.

Missanimosity · 26/04/2025 05:26

Also, there is a gap between perfect a d hitting children. Very large gap. None us saud we are perfect, that is not the point. She doesen't seem to "feel terrible" either as first instinct is to complain instead of apologies and doesn't understand why she still remembers.

Missanimosity · 26/04/2025 05:24

OakleyAnnie · 26/04/2025 00:01

Your post made me very sad. Lots of people have done things they regret. Sometimes very bad things. You did the right thing and left the profession. You’ve moved on and put the bad times behind you. You said you don’t like to talk about those days. I suspect you feel terrible and have many regrets even if you haven’t said a lot about that here.

i don’t think you should complain. You could apologise to her. Or you could ignore it. Or keep away from the hospital when she’s treating him.

i doubt you’re the terrible person people here are gleefully making out. Everyone loves a pile on and we all feel so good about ourselves, perfect as we are 🙄

wishing you well 💐

Fricking hell, normalising abuse! We all done shit things but this, this is beyond shit, this is child abuse and life trauma. If her seeing her colleagues being abused left such a mark, how do you think the children who were hit felt? I done lots of bad in my life but hand on heart never hit someone let alone helpless innocent children. If you think we are harsh I really would want to see uour reaction if your own child would be hit by teachers. Not so "poor her she must regret it" I am certain!

LovePeriodProperty · 26/04/2025 05:10

Sth08 · 26/04/2025 05:00

Shocking that it was that late. OP however said very late 80s so she would've known this was illegal at the time she was smacking children and throwing furniture across the room traumatising small children.

"I had a very brief career as a teacher during the very late 1980s."

My comment was to someone who said corporal punishment didn’t exist in the 80s though
I was just pointing out it did.
Some on here may be shocked to read some schools in Scotland and NI didn’t ban it in till the early 2000s !

QuarterHorse · 26/04/2025 05:08

If you complained to me about the physio and I subsequently found out through her what you had done OP, I would be asking her if she wanted any support in reporting you for historical abuse.
Think yourself fortunate you haven't been prosecuted or had to face up to a parent of those youngsters you may have traumatised.

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 26/04/2025 05:01

halfshutknife · 26/04/2025 04:29

The therapist is not working within the code of ethics. She should agree with her team that she cannot treat your husband due to personal past relationships and someone else should see him. I would let someone know this. I say this as an ahp.

That's ridiculous. There is no 'conflict of interest'. The physio is treating the husband. She has no relationship with the relative.
I had to treat an ex-boyfriends mother when I was nursing. It had been a nasty split, but I just got on with caring for her and interacting with the rest of the family. No conflict of interest. It isn't a police investigation ffs.
If you're an ahp, your knowledge of professional conduct is worrying; you need to re-read your code of conduct, and if you find the section that says you cannot treat the family of someone you knew decades ago, please share it.

Sth08 · 26/04/2025 05:00

LovePeriodProperty · 26/04/2025 04:57

as an aside
It wasn’t banned until 1986 and brought in in 1987
Later in private schools and Scotland

I was at school till 1985 and I remember corporal punishment being used.

Shocking that it was that late. OP however said very late 80s so she would've known this was illegal at the time she was smacking children and throwing furniture across the room traumatising small children.

"I had a very brief career as a teacher during the very late 1980s."

LovePeriodProperty · 26/04/2025 04:57

Ottersmith · 26/04/2025 04:51

I went to school in the 80s and smacking was not common place. In fact it was banned in school. How are you surprised that she remembers? Kids will remember this stuff in great detail because it would have been traumatizing for them. There were no complaints because kids put up with shitty teachers in the 80s more than they do now. It's good that you got out when you did. You seem to remember the whole thing from only your own point of view and not considering how awful it would have been for the poor kids.

as an aside
It wasn’t banned until 1986 and brought in in 1987
Later in private schools and Scotland

I was at school till 1985 and I remember corporal punishment being used.

Sth08 · 26/04/2025 04:54

I hope this physiotherapist comes across this thread and gets the courage to report you OP to the Police for historic child abuse.

Of course more than one child has been left traumatised by this horrendous behaviour, albeit "only" for 8 months. Thank goodness you at least saw some sense in leaving the profession. None of what you've said sounds regretful. You were 26, that's more than old enough to be the mature adult in difficult situations with a class of children and not resort to child abuse.

You've left these children traumatised through your behaviour - smacking?! Throwing a desk across the room?! Are you thinking a class of 9 year olds "made you do it" because of X that they/a child(!) did? Just like every abuser has ever said. Child abuse is never, ever justified. They were children for goodness sake. You were the adult. Read the room.

This was historic child abuse and I hope you face up to it

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 26/04/2025 04:54

SixtySomething · 26/04/2025 01:05

You've been very brave , OP, in being so honest and, quite predictably, people have laid into you.
We've all done things we're ashamed of, but few people would be so courageous as to admit it publicly.
I'm sure most new teachers make mistakes they would prefer not to discuss.
I think it was a bit wierd of the physio to be off with you, possibly unprofessional.
All the same, I wouldn't put in complaint.

😂😂😂😂😂 the OP has been a brave little soldier...
Omg. Presumably you condone child abuse then expect the abused child to forgive their abuser if they happen to come across them in later life? The abused child, as an adult, is expected to understand that 'the job was too hard', or any other excuse, and that's what led the abuser to abuse?
Most abusers have an ready-prepared excuse reason for their abuse. Some people condone this, sadly. There is no excuse.
And at 26, people are doctors, nurses, physiotherapists, in the armed forces, the police, and a myriad of other responsible jobs, who manage not to abuse those in their care.

Ottersmith · 26/04/2025 04:51

I went to school in the 80s and smacking was not common place. In fact it was banned in school. How are you surprised that she remembers? Kids will remember this stuff in great detail because it would have been traumatizing for them. There were no complaints because kids put up with shitty teachers in the 80s more than they do now. It's good that you got out when you did. You seem to remember the whole thing from only your own point of view and not considering how awful it would have been for the poor kids.

Charliecatpaws · 26/04/2025 04:46

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TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 26/04/2025 04:46

OakleyAnnie · 26/04/2025 00:22

I don’t think anyone deserves a pile on. You do it because you enjoy it. It does no good for anyone

So any bahaviour by an OP should be recieved with an open mind, a caring heart and lots of flower & prayer emoji's. Even those who have bullied, scared and smacked children?
Using your logic, someone who admits to murder should be given a street party.
Does it take long to polish a halo?

Wafflesandcrepes · 26/04/2025 04:42

Surely you are trolling us, OP?

LovePeriodProperty · 26/04/2025 04:42

BlondiePortz · 26/04/2025 04:33

As i understand it there is no questions around the care just the op's sensitivities around owning up to what they have done

I don’t think that was OPs question though

I also don’t think the majority of comments are very helpful or giving much in the way of advice to her.
I hope MNHQ takes this thread down it’s definitely ‘not in the spirit on Mumsnet

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 26/04/2025 04:40

TheOriginalEmu · 26/04/2025 00:01

This can’t be real. I was in school in the 80s and no smacking was not allowed!! Even in mt tiny backwards school no teacher would have put their hands on a child, and throwing a desk across a room????

be grateful you got away with that and let the woman do her job, she’s not obligated to be nice to you

School existed before the 80s, and trust me, smacky, shouty rude and bullying teachers were alive and well in every decade!

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 26/04/2025 04:34

Katemax82 · 25/04/2025 23:17

I had a teacher in the early 90s who utterly humiliated me in front of the whole class when I was 10. If I ever had the pleasure of bumping into her again I would do much worse than be aloof

Me too.
I emember her name, car and how she looked.
And yes, if I had seen her as an adult me, I would have had words

BlondiePortz · 26/04/2025 04:33

halfshutknife · 26/04/2025 04:29

The therapist is not working within the code of ethics. She should agree with her team that she cannot treat your husband due to personal past relationships and someone else should see him. I would let someone know this. I say this as an ahp.

As i understand it there is no questions around the care just the op's sensitivities around owning up to what they have done

aveenobambino · 26/04/2025 04:32

This can’t be real, it just can’t! You abused children and you think you are the victim here? Sounds like you learned nothing. Good on the physio. That complaint would go nowhere - except everyone on the ward would know what you did, and you’d have to face possible consequences for your abusive behaviour. I’d be mortified in your position

McSpoot · 26/04/2025 04:31

halfshutknife · 26/04/2025 04:29

The therapist is not working within the code of ethics. She should agree with her team that she cannot treat your husband due to personal past relationships and someone else should see him. I would let someone know this. I say this as an ahp.

Why? She is giving him good care - the relationship has not affected that.

LovePeriodProperty · 26/04/2025 04:30

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 26/04/2025 04:02

As a health professional I have come across teachers from my school years, which were in the 80’s. it has been a pleasure to give back to them. However, I did have some abusive teachers. I would avoid working with them if the situation arose.

I think that teachers who are abusive should be mindful that the children they treat poorly may be the ones caring for them in their old age.

It’s difficult though isn’t it.
Will the teachers of today be admonished for putting kids in isolation. In 30 years time those kids as adults could think their problems stem from being in isolation. In 30 years time younger parents could be in total shock at the thought of treating children like that. Teachers and the establishment often make decisions with no clue as to their long term effects on children's negative memories and trauma but we can’t be blaming our teachers for that in 30 years time.

Most Teachers and parents do the best they can. If we all spent out time considering who would look after us in our old age we would perhaps give way to everything the kids wanted. That’s not good for children.

halfshutknife · 26/04/2025 04:29

The therapist is not working within the code of ethics. She should agree with her team that she cannot treat your husband due to personal past relationships and someone else should see him. I would let someone know this. I say this as an ahp.

hhtddbkoygv · 26/04/2025 04:29

Emonade · 25/04/2025 23:25

I think you are making excuses for inexcusable behaviour and she was well within her rights to be curt. She is doing her job let her get on with it

Why quote the OP 5 posts down?