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"can I have a word" from teacher

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ParentofPremie · 25/04/2025 20:04

To avoid a drip feed this is quite long, apologies!

DS5 is in reception. Oldest in class.

Has a physical disability which can cause fatigue, and potentially has other difficulties which would be undiagnosed/unnoticed until he's older. His development was all higgeldy piggledy due to his physical disability so it's hard to see what is contributing to what, and we are trying to unpick whether some of his traits are ASD or due to developmental delays eg he talks a lot more than his peers and likes learning a subject in depth and asks a lot more questions, but it's potentially because that came more easily to him than the gross and fine motor skills where he's playing catch up. Or another example is he has only just started playing alongside peers but that could be because his brain was busy figuring out how to pick up a spoon and how to walk while their brains were busy figuring out how to talk to other toddlers. Lots of other little examples like this that could be this or that.

Attends school half day because a full day seemed too much.

When he first started school his personality seemed to shift overnight. He was initially asking to go home a lot. Then he stopped that after he overheard it fed back to me at parents evening but then the teacher would often pull me aside to "have a word" because he'd done something eg hit another child (softly, but still not acceptable), or tried to cut the desk instead of paper, or swung a thing around on a string potentially hitting himself or someone in the face, etc.
At home he was having lots of tantrums.
None of this was behaviour we'd ever seen in him before - he was well settled at preschool and would ask me to "go home and come back later as it was his space" and had never shown any aggressive behaviour to anyone. I posted on here (under a different name) and got a lot of "that's normal as they transition into school, they almost revert back to 2 year old behaviour while they get used to it".

But I found it all too much and decided to Flexi school him. Again, overnight there was a shift...he loved school again and the aggression/tantrums at home dropped away. I think they dropped away at school but I can't be sure whether the teacher wasn't "having a word" because I wasn't at the school gate and she was teaching at pick up or because things actually got better, and she doesn't seem to understand my question.

Now....we're trying to transition back to full time, taking it slowly. But already day2 teacher has "had a word".

I guess my questions are

  1. When the teacher has a word, what am I expected to say. "Okay, I'll talk to him"? I do talk to him. But to me, he knows the thing he's done is naughty and the behaviour is communicating a need so I'm not sure a talking to is actually that helpful? Also, the teacher has already told him off, at length. Does he need it again?
  1. The school are doing very little to understand what's behind his behaviour. At the meetings I had before I decided to Flexi school they suggested I introduce routines at home where he has to tidy up after himself, do tasks on his own, etc...but he already does these things. They also suggested we introduce a "self regulation" corner for him, and we've done that. It was a new concept for me, as we've always regulated together before as this is what every parenting book I read suggested. If he has a tantrum about something I set a limit and then listen to him move on or moan/cry/fall apart over it till he's done (no aggression allowed of course) and I own that I didn't think about how that might (not) equip him for a classroom as there aren't adults around to listen to him all the time. But it was a lesson learned and he's better at taking himself away to self-regulate now.
  1. To me the fact that this sort of stuff only happens in school and (I think) only when he's doing a full day is telling us something. It feels to me like he's finding something hard but is unable to share that information for some reason. If I ask the the teacher they seem to have no idea where I'm coming from. Of course I also think it's vitally important to set limits around hitting/cutting table/swinging things or whatever else is going on. But I think it's also important to find out what's behind that behaviour?

AIBU to be frustrated by this communication? Or is this just school life? Was a just totally spoilt by a child who was more easy going when he was younger and just don't realise that sometimes kids can be arses for no reason at all? I am totally up for being told I need to grow a pair and change my attitude? I just don't think I was expecting the constant "can I have a word" type conversations and am not sure what to do with them!

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ParentofPremie · 25/04/2025 22:22

notsureyetcertain · 25/04/2025 22:15

You need a meeting with the senco. He needs a Sen plan in place and to apply for ehcp. Senco needs to support teacher wig interventions to help him. If they apply for funding he could have some 1:1 hours, so in the afternoon he could have some sensory breaks. You could request ed psych and occupational therapist come in to advise

Thanks, have tried meeting with the Senco but didn't find it very helpful. But will try again

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ParentofPremie · 25/04/2025 22:21

Westnortheast · 25/04/2025 22:14

Hi OP it definitely sounds as though you need to start formalising actions and outcomes. Log all reports from teacher, try to find patterns and triggers ( hard when child is young) at school and home. Make sure the school has an ecp and then you should also apply for the echp as parent; you can clearly demonstrate his needs cannot be met (DC is not able to attend school ft and would be able to if appropriate support was in place). You don’t need a diagnosis but would also make sure you press hard for assessment as they take a looooong time (try RTC, is quicker but hard to find approved providers for younger children).
I trusted the healthcare system and the school and as a result, have a very sad teen who is not achieving their potential and a very difficult family/home life. Shortly going for private diagnosis and applying for ECHP because the NHS waiting list is so loooooong. However we now realise this was needed years (and years ago) and actually, DC has never had appropriate support. The impact on mental health for a child who is daily made to feel that they are naughty, unkind, not good enough, a nuisance all while they cannot fix it themselves without professional support is destructive. Now DC is coming off of the rails and it is petrifying and heartbreaking in equal measures. Don’t hold back..do what you feel you need to do(including moving schools if current one is not the right setting/ teachers not working with you and your DC).

Edited

Thanks. I'm really trying. I've been trying to talk to them about patterns and triggers from day dot and I'm met with blank faces. I will just do the ehcp myself using this thread as my strength. You've worded it so well, thank you.

Good luck with getting support for your teen x

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ParentofPremie · 25/04/2025 22:17

1AngelicFruitCake · 25/04/2025 21:48

I’m a reception teacher

ive used a communication book where both home and school write a quick summary in each day

Im very aware of the quiet children who often get overlooked in favour of those children with additional needs so I try and balance out talking to the same parents by talking to other parents as well

I get the feeling from reading your posts that there’s a lot of talking to him, considering his behaviour (all great) but at school she’ll be expecting him
to get on, take responsibility for himself and his actions - would this be too hard for him?

how do you expect he’ll adjust going from flexi schooling to full time?

I suggested a communication book but they didn't go for it.

to get on, take responsibility for himself and his actions - would this be too hard for him?

It's hard to say. Today's incident he was cutting the table. At home I'd have said "we don't cut the table" and taken the scissors away. Most of the time that would be the end of that.
Sometimes he might say "why?"
I would say "you know why."
He would say "no I don't"
Depending on my mood I might answer the question. Then he might say "but why" again. At that point I know he's overwhelmed or unhappy or something. I'd say
"I've already answered that. Let's have some quiet time to calm down, and you can process my answer".
Usually, he'd then be quiet for a bit and then come back normal again. Or he might get upset at the quiet time and have a tantrum, and I'd listen to his tantrum and then he'd be normal again.
I appreciate they wouldn't have time for that at school, but it happens so rarely at home...say once a fortnight or something....that I wouldn't think it's a huge issue.

At school, he asked why, she answered, he said but why, and she answered again, he said but why, she got cross and said if you don't understand I'll have to speak to your mum and you may not be able to attend school in the afternoons if you don't get it. In my personal opinion it was the wrong approach as he did understand but his brain was going in loops and he needed a break, and the threat of not being able to go to school in the afternoons wasn't helpful as he wasn't doing it on purpose. But I don't know, maybe I'm just not seeing what she is. His main teacher would have used the same approach as me, this was his TA who takes the class on Friday afternoons as main teacher isn't there. I think part of the problem might be that I picked the wrong day for him to try a full day.

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Octavia64 · 25/04/2025 22:17

Ask for his file.

it’s quite possible the Senco has done observations of him if so these should be written down. There will also be records of him hitting other children when he has done that.

the fact they are asking you to do routines with him suggests that he isn’t following them in the classroom.

eyfs is generally document as you go along so they’ll be keeping his record up to date with what he’s achieved in various areas.
what was his transfer from pre school like? He should have had a report which said stuff like “personal and social development: can do this can do this is working on that.”

the teacher and any other adults in the classroom should have fairly clear idea from their documentation of where he is on the framework.

it sounds from what you have said that he is significantly behind in a number of areas and this would help document this.

notsureyetcertain · 25/04/2025 22:15

You need a meeting with the senco. He needs a Sen plan in place and to apply for ehcp. Senco needs to support teacher wig interventions to help him. If they apply for funding he could have some 1:1 hours, so in the afternoon he could have some sensory breaks. You could request ed psych and occupational therapist come in to advise

Westnortheast · 25/04/2025 22:14

Hi OP it definitely sounds as though you need to start formalising actions and outcomes. Log all reports from teacher, try to find patterns and triggers ( hard when child is young) at school and home. Make sure the school has an ecp and then you should also apply for the echp as parent; you can clearly demonstrate his needs cannot be met (DC is not able to attend school ft and would be able to if appropriate support was in place). You don’t need a diagnosis but would also make sure you press hard for assessment as they take a looooong time (try RTC, is quicker but hard to find approved providers for younger children).
I trusted the healthcare system and the school and as a result, have a very sad teen who is not achieving their potential and a very difficult family/home life. Shortly going for private diagnosis and applying for ECHP because the NHS waiting list is so loooooong. However we now realise this was needed years (and years ago) and actually, DC has never had appropriate support. The impact on mental health for a child who is daily made to feel that they are naughty, unkind, not good enough, a nuisance all while they cannot fix it themselves without professional support is destructive. Now DC is coming off of the rails and it is petrifying and heartbreaking in equal measures. Don’t hold back..do what you feel you need to do(including moving schools if current one is not the right setting/ teachers not working with you and your DC).

ParentofPremie · 25/04/2025 22:08

Octavia64 · 25/04/2025 21:12

Teachers have very little training on how to talk to parents.

she’s having a word with you because your child is showing behaviour that is considered a problem in a school environment.

she’s doing it pretty much every time because otherwise parents complain they have no idea what is going on when the inevitable referral for special needs is done.

teachers in general are not trained in the “behaviour is communication” approach. If a child is not adapting to school when the teacher is using standard behaviour management techniques then the child is considered a problem and they will get in a behaviour specialist to see the child.

this is usually the person who has experience and training in looking for triggers and working with eg the ABC method of analysing behaviour.

schools are mass institutions. The teacher has been trained how to use standard techniques which are not working for your child. She’s probably requested specialist input (Senco etc) and can get further specialist input from ASD specialists if necessary.

unfortunately if a child is not capable of fitting into the school then what usually happens is not that the teacher bends the system to fit them, but rather that they end up on part time timetables, in difficulty, and eventually when there is enough paperwork to show they can’t cope in mainstream they move to some kind of special school hopefully fairly quickly.

your child id clearly a fair way through this process as they are only capable of accessing school part time and are having trouble with being in school. At the moment you have no documentation showing he needs any extra support. Get documents out of the school - they’ll be documenting each time he hits another child for start - and apply for an EHCP.

because otherwise parents complain they have no idea what is going on when the inevitable referral for special needs is done

But in this case I'm the one who is saying he needs more help in the classroom and it's the Senco who is faffing on that front

Thanks for the tips on asking them to document everything. I think I'll let them know I am going to reapply for an EHCP as a parent and please could they start writing everything down in an email

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ParentofPremie · 25/04/2025 22:02

Prepositional · 25/04/2025 21:27

I'd be gobsmacked if any teachers in 2025 haven't heard of 'behaviour is communication'. Schools have a long way to go in terms of SEND provision but the reality is most teachers will have up to about 7 children in their class every year for whom the standard expectations and procedures will need adapting. I really don't understand the rhetoric at all that most teachers haven't got a clue about SEND when they spend every day working with children with ASC, ADHD, PDA etc.

It's a very small school so they'd be a bit behind the curve with things

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ParentofPremie · 25/04/2025 21:58

Prepositional · 25/04/2025 21:06

Just to clarify, is that 8 in his entire class or 8 in his year group within a mixed years class? If 8 in his class, then yes you should be getting more of a handover! Honestly though, perhaps just say to yhe teacher you're finding all the negativity difficult and would appreciate hearing about some good things too. I always sing the praises of children who struggle so their parents know they have brilliant times too, but I'm embarrassed to admit I probably did it less early on in my career and didn't truly understand why it was so important until I had children myself.

8 in the class. I have said this to her! And she has kids herself. 🙈

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Barney16 · 25/04/2025 21:48

I got quite a lot of negative feedback about one of my children and in exasperation went to see the teacher and asked them what they were doing to build up my child's self esteem and help them like school more. I suppose, in retrospect I was quite stroppy but I was a teacher and I felt I knew what I was talking about. The teacher was quite taken aback but did think about what I had said and made a real effort to give praise rather than focusing on negatives. It did work and everything settled down. I'm not suggesting you do this but I do think you need to persist in talking to the teacher about your child who you know best. It's obvious from your posts that you know exactly what works and as pp has said teachers do need to celebrate achievements however small to boost a child sense of self.

1AngelicFruitCake · 25/04/2025 21:48

I’m a reception teacher

ive used a communication book where both home and school write a quick summary in each day

Im very aware of the quiet children who often get overlooked in favour of those children with additional needs so I try and balance out talking to the same parents by talking to other parents as well

I get the feeling from reading your posts that there’s a lot of talking to him, considering his behaviour (all great) but at school she’ll be expecting him
to get on, take responsibility for himself and his actions - would this be too hard for him?

how do you expect he’ll adjust going from flexi schooling to full time?

moshmoshi · 25/04/2025 21:33

That's a shame the teacher isn't able to share any positive feedback with you. I was a teacher for over 20 years- YR for lots of those.

I had children with lots of different needs and challenging behaviour as well as those who settled in easily. I wasn't any kind of amazing super teacher but I did make a point of giving lots of genuine positive comments at the end of the day. Obviously not every child, every day, but I'm pretty sure I would have covered a class of 30 in a week or so. It is really important to build positive relationships with the child and their family in reception, parents need to know that you want their child to do well and see the best in them. It made the 'Can I have a word?' chats a lot easier as well.

To be honest it doesn't sound like you have a very experienced teacher or SENCO. Hopefully next year will be more positive for you. Glad you're planning to apply for an EHCP. It might be useful to ask the school to keep a home school book where they can write a little bit about how the day has gone, it will save having too many chats and also might help spot patterns and provide a record for your EHCP application. Good luck with it all @ParentofPremie

Prepositional · 25/04/2025 21:27

Octavia64 · 25/04/2025 21:12

Teachers have very little training on how to talk to parents.

she’s having a word with you because your child is showing behaviour that is considered a problem in a school environment.

she’s doing it pretty much every time because otherwise parents complain they have no idea what is going on when the inevitable referral for special needs is done.

teachers in general are not trained in the “behaviour is communication” approach. If a child is not adapting to school when the teacher is using standard behaviour management techniques then the child is considered a problem and they will get in a behaviour specialist to see the child.

this is usually the person who has experience and training in looking for triggers and working with eg the ABC method of analysing behaviour.

schools are mass institutions. The teacher has been trained how to use standard techniques which are not working for your child. She’s probably requested specialist input (Senco etc) and can get further specialist input from ASD specialists if necessary.

unfortunately if a child is not capable of fitting into the school then what usually happens is not that the teacher bends the system to fit them, but rather that they end up on part time timetables, in difficulty, and eventually when there is enough paperwork to show they can’t cope in mainstream they move to some kind of special school hopefully fairly quickly.

your child id clearly a fair way through this process as they are only capable of accessing school part time and are having trouble with being in school. At the moment you have no documentation showing he needs any extra support. Get documents out of the school - they’ll be documenting each time he hits another child for start - and apply for an EHCP.

I'd be gobsmacked if any teachers in 2025 haven't heard of 'behaviour is communication'. Schools have a long way to go in terms of SEND provision but the reality is most teachers will have up to about 7 children in their class every year for whom the standard expectations and procedures will need adapting. I really don't understand the rhetoric at all that most teachers haven't got a clue about SEND when they spend every day working with children with ASC, ADHD, PDA etc.

Octavia64 · 25/04/2025 21:12

Teachers have very little training on how to talk to parents.

she’s having a word with you because your child is showing behaviour that is considered a problem in a school environment.

she’s doing it pretty much every time because otherwise parents complain they have no idea what is going on when the inevitable referral for special needs is done.

teachers in general are not trained in the “behaviour is communication” approach. If a child is not adapting to school when the teacher is using standard behaviour management techniques then the child is considered a problem and they will get in a behaviour specialist to see the child.

this is usually the person who has experience and training in looking for triggers and working with eg the ABC method of analysing behaviour.

schools are mass institutions. The teacher has been trained how to use standard techniques which are not working for your child. She’s probably requested specialist input (Senco etc) and can get further specialist input from ASD specialists if necessary.

unfortunately if a child is not capable of fitting into the school then what usually happens is not that the teacher bends the system to fit them, but rather that they end up on part time timetables, in difficulty, and eventually when there is enough paperwork to show they can’t cope in mainstream they move to some kind of special school hopefully fairly quickly.

your child id clearly a fair way through this process as they are only capable of accessing school part time and are having trouble with being in school. At the moment you have no documentation showing he needs any extra support. Get documents out of the school - they’ll be documenting each time he hits another child for start - and apply for an EHCP.

Hankunamatata · 25/04/2025 21:09

I find a simple - thank you for telling me. Works well - Iv sen kids and teachers needs to comminute behavioural patterns.

Prepositional · 25/04/2025 21:06

ParentofPremie · 25/04/2025 21:00

Yes, this is how I feel. Also even if it was a "can I have a word...we had a nice day doing xyz and he did ABC well, BUT ..." would be fine and would only take 30 seconds more.
Also to PPs saying there are 30 kids etc...hes in a small village school with only 8 in his class.

Just to clarify, is that 8 in his entire class or 8 in his year group within a mixed years class? If 8 in his class, then yes you should be getting more of a handover! Honestly though, perhaps just say to yhe teacher you're finding all the negativity difficult and would appreciate hearing about some good things too. I always sing the praises of children who struggle so their parents know they have brilliant times too, but I'm embarrassed to admit I probably did it less early on in my career and didn't truly understand why it was so important until I had children myself.

CopperWhite · 25/04/2025 21:01

But when it comes to behaviour issues it just feels like we have completely different beliefs around children's behaviour.

In that case, I’d consider whether this is the right school for you and your child. His education can’t be successful if his parents and teachers aren’t on the same page, and a teacher isn’t going to adapt her entire style of teaching to appease one parent.

A parent teacher relationship isn’t like one with colleagues. Obviously a child’s achievements should be celebrated in school but the teacher isn’t there to give you positive feedback. This isn’t feedback, it’s information about your child. I would take the SENCO’s advice before seeking a diagnosis that will lead you to the same advice.

ParentofPremie · 25/04/2025 21:00

Justneedtotalkintothevoid · 25/04/2025 20:58

I don't think it's true that teachers don't have time to share the positives - I've always made a point of sharing positives with parents when I can. Granted I don't do it every day for every child but definitely whenever I can and particularly for the children who I have given negative feedback about at some point. It's so important for relationships that the children know I notice the good things they do as much as, if not more than, the bad.

Yes, this is how I feel. Also even if it was a "can I have a word...we had a nice day doing xyz and he did ABC well, BUT ..." would be fine and would only take 30 seconds more.
Also to PPs saying there are 30 kids etc...hes in a small village school with only 8 in his class.

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Justneedtotalkintothevoid · 25/04/2025 20:58

I don't think it's true that teachers don't have time to share the positives - I've always made a point of sharing positives with parents when I can. Granted I don't do it every day for every child but definitely whenever I can and particularly for the children who I have given negative feedback about at some point. It's so important for relationships that the children know I notice the good things they do as much as, if not more than, the bad.

Sunshineclouds11 · 25/04/2025 20:55

ParentofPremie · 25/04/2025 20:37

Senco is involved but is the one suggesting routines etc, teacher isn't saying anything, asks the Senco to come into meetings.
I might apply for an EHCP myself.

I completely understand that the teachers are too busy to balance out the feedback but it makes me feel sad. If I approached my colleagues like that (only talking to them when I was unhappy with them) I would very quickly be sacked. I guess there isn't anything that can be done about it though. I feel stuck ...we had the longer meetings before I went Flexi schooling but I didn't find them helpful as she just vented at me the whole time about other things he finds hard, without looking for solutions or balancing it out with what he finds enjoyable /easy.

Has the senco observed in class?

id be inclined to request a meeting, explain what it is your wanting to find out.
ask about the SEN register, he would then get a plan and targets, regular meetings which will give you updates on progress and what is needed.

ThesebeautifulthingsthatIvegot · 25/04/2025 20:52

Don't worry about diagnosis. Your child has SEN. They may need provision above that which is ordinarily available in school. That is the two-part test that is needed for an EHC needs assessment. An EHCP will be what gets him support in school, not a diagnosis.

Do you ever talk to him about incidents? Is he able to say how he was feeling when something happened? Eg. I hit Tom. I was mad. He took my toy.

The teacher probably doesn't want you to do anything when they tell you about incidents, and even if they do, you don't need to do anything. But it is probably good to try to talk about his day in general, and maybe sometimes about specific incidents (not always, as he might start to feel like school is all negative). Though from your posts, I suspect you're doing all of that anyway.

Don't worry. He will get through this and he is blessed to have a parent doing so well for him.

Factsandfeelings · 25/04/2025 20:49

ParentofPremie · 25/04/2025 20:26

I'm very happy to be kept in the loop. But I was only being kept in the loop for one type of behaviour. Not when he was anxious/missing home, and not when he's doing well, not any nice thing that has happened at school. I find the communication unbalanced and not how I've been trained to give feedback.

Honestly I think teachers are so overworked and underpaid that they’re probably not trained on how to give feedback. They probably only have time to raise in the moment when they have concerns.

it would be lovely if they capacity to talk about what went well or lovely moments, but from what I hear from teacher friends and colleagues they’re mostly “firefighting” and only raising things when they think it’ll be a concern if they don’t.

Moonnstars · 25/04/2025 20:43

ParentofPremie · 25/04/2025 20:39

Yeh they did say no, but he hadn't started school yet. I think I'll need to apply again and point out I'm flexischooling because he doesn't have a TA. He is making great academic progress though so I'm worried it'll be batted away again.

You need to push for a diagnosis and work with the school and the teachers and senco.
List what he struggles with in school. In the meeting with both of them work at a plan for what could be done to support him.
Funding for a TA won't come without specific needs and even then it could be for a limited time or even shared with other children.
The Flexi schooling sounds like it was your choice, what did the senco think? Again time out of school does mean they are not around for evidence to be collected to support that they find school difficult. The more evidence there is from school then referrals can be made, ed psych can come and observe and then more support provided.

Also try not to overthink the only being told negative things and comparing it to a work situation. Remember there are 30 (or more) children in a class. If the teacher spoke to every parent when dismissing them to say whether they had a good day or not then they would be there all night. They are only going to focus on anything that didn't go well that day, which might be sad to hear but it is meant to help keep you informed.

Littlefish · 25/04/2025 20:40

ParentofPremie · 25/04/2025 20:38

No EHCP ...we applied for one at preschool but it was rejected. We could apply now.

I strongly suggest you put in a parental request. When (because they probably will) they turn you down for a needs assessment, challenge it straight away!

ParentofPremie · 25/04/2025 20:39

Sirzy · 25/04/2025 20:36

Has an echp been applied for? It sounds like it’s at the point where that is very much needed and he will qualify for a needs assessment (although expect them to say no at first)

Yeh they did say no, but he hadn't started school yet. I think I'll need to apply again and point out I'm flexischooling because he doesn't have a TA. He is making great academic progress though so I'm worried it'll be batted away again.

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