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Paddleboarding tragedy (why did she do this?)

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PassingStranger · 25/04/2025 16:55

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/former-cops-grovelling-voice-note-35105323

Did anyone else see this on the news?
4 people died
Horrific, imagine their panic.

What was behind this desire to take them out, when she shouldn't have.
I'll presume it was money sadly.😢

I'm glad she got prison.

Fatal error by 'cowardly' ex-cop that killed four in paddleboarding tragedy

Former police officer Nerys Bethan Lloyd has been jailed for 10 years and six months over the deaths of four paddleboarders in Wales after the "avoidable tragedy"

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/former-cops-grovelling-voice-note-35105323

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sandrevolutionary · 04/05/2025 12:25

The judge told her during sentencing that she will serve at least two thirds of the sentence on custody and the rest on licence.

EdgyGreyUser · 04/05/2025 10:57

PassingStranger · 04/05/2025 01:05

I know, but how long does she serve?

I don't know but am guessing it might be two third of the sentence being served in prison and the rest of it would be on licence under supervision and obeying conditions.

Arlanymor · 04/05/2025 07:18

PassingStranger · 04/05/2025 01:05

I know, but how long does she serve?

You're asking an unanswerable question - it depends on her behaviour in prison.

PassingStranger · 04/05/2025 01:05

EdgyGreyUser · 02/05/2025 22:13

She would serve part of the sentence in prison, and then she will be out on licence under supervision and has to obey conditions.

I know, but how long does she serve?

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EdgyGreyUser · 02/05/2025 22:13

PassingStranger · 02/05/2025 16:59

How long does she actually serve?

She would serve part of the sentence in prison, and then she will be out on licence under supervision and has to obey conditions.

caringcarer · 02/05/2025 17:01

She's one of those people who always think they know best and won't listen to other more experienced people who do know more.

PassingStranger · 02/05/2025 16:59

How long does she actually serve?

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BloodyHellBob · 25/04/2025 17:16

I read that the judge didn’t show video footage as it was extremely distressing. I think she deserves her sentence, in fact considering that 4 people died I think she got off lightly.

Agree

giddyauntie123 · 28/04/2025 22:39

nomas · 28/04/2025 12:36

Is that the police body cam video where she’s telling the police that she’s been trying to contact her colleague Paul and some of the people she was leading who had died? Was she really wondering why they weren’t answering the phone after she saw them sucked in by the weir?

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Yes that's the one, it's so creepy

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nomas · 28/04/2025 12:36

giddyauntie123 · 28/04/2025 08:46

It almost sounded like she was showing off to the group it was weird.
She went down the weir first, (like woweeee look at me), then in the video you can see how defensive she is moments after it happened. Terrible impulsive behaviour

Is that the police body cam video where she’s telling the police that she’s been trying to contact her colleague Paul and some of the people she was leading who had died? Was she really wondering why they weren’t answering the phone after she saw them sucked in by the weir?

PassingStranger · 28/04/2025 12:34

Inthebleakmidwinter1 · 27/04/2025 06:59

It was Gross negligence. It wasn’t just a poor decision in the day. She had no risk assessment, she wasn’t qualified,
there was no safety briefing and the participants were not even told about the weir. She’s not right in the head clearly.

Don't forget tried to blame a friend, and carried on like nothing had happened.

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RedToothBrush · 28/04/2025 09:47

I spend a lot of time around people who are kayaking coaches so safety and training comes up (far too much) in general conversation. I get bored to death on this subject on a regular basis! But I also really appreciate how seriously these issues are taken by so many coaches.

You should ALWAYS have a safety briefing (even if you have done it before) and equipment should always be checked that it fits appropriately. Refusal to use equipment should be an automatic 'you are not doing it'.

If you are nervous, tell the instructor before. They should take that into account and have a chat with you about it. Its recognised that men and women often have different levels of anxiety over doing these sports - in part because women know they have less power and strength. Good coaches are taught to identify different ways to approach this. They should take things at a pace everyone is happy with and if you don't want to do something it's encouraged to say so.

The BCU is really strict in its expectations and training. If a coach is on a beach playing with their kid building sandcastles and sees someone doing something daft (eg going out on an inflatable without a buoyancy aid) they have an obligation to go and have a word and warn rather than just ignore it. They also have an obligation to go help if they see someone in trouble. If they don't they could lose their accreditation even though they aren't taking a session and don't have direct responsibility if they are present when an incident happens .

There's been several incidents where DH has rescued dickheads and got abuse for telling someone the dangers. He's not alone. I hear lots of stories about idiots attempting a Darwin Award. I dislike going certain places if it's 'silly season' because DH is always looking out for numpties. It worries me because it put him and good friends potentially at risk.

I also know that the BCU has supported women only sessions and understanding differences in confidence/ bravado that stem from this and promoting awareness of this amongst coaches. This is fab and I really appreciate it. Some are better at this than others but it's definitely recognised by many.

I would add that paddleboarding has had a particularly bad reputation on being slack on understanding safety before this incident for some time. I know a lot of kayakers were talking about how it would take 'another Lyme Bay accident' https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyme_Bay_canoeing_disaster for it to change.

Sadly here we are. It was totally predictable and was expected by many who were powerless to do anything. There were too many idiots who were 'too cool' to be seen in a buoyancy aid who gave lip to people who were regularly seeing health and safety disasters waiting to happen as it had been taught as part of their training what happened. Paddleboarding had a very different culture and attitude which was much more macho and image based. Unfortunately kayakers weren't taken seriously in their concerns until it's been too late. Paddleboarding culture is being forced to change to take this much more seriously but it's going to take time and unfortunately since paddleboards are relatively cheap you still see teens in North Wales with no buoyancy aid and no one looking after them far too often. If you don't have experience and training do not go out without a guide - particularly at the coast. It is that simple. If someone tells you, you are doing something unwise, listen to them - it might save your life.

As I say since this accident the BCU has taken control over regulation and safety training for paddleboarding because it was recognised that the organisation have identified that the BCU has the experience, knowledge and culture to help. Hopefully it will help to stop so many incidents.

Accidents do still occasionally sadly happen - it's inevitable - but when they do, most come back with the same classic failings. It's awful especially because they are usually so foreseeable and thus preventable.

If in doubt ask about qualifications. If you see something you don't like, challenge it or talk to the BCU about it. The one I would keep most of an eye on is the ratio of coaches to clients. The culture of the body is to identify problems and it does have a strong H&S ethos which supports reporting and questioning.

In the UK kayaking/canoeing is generally safe as a result. (I'm still wary of paddleboarding for now - give it a few more years). The BCU standards are held as gold standard and usually other countries recognise BCU accreditation (this is one reason why you get a lot of British coaches elsewhere in the world too). Unfortunately it's not as strictly regulated everywhere and actually you should probably be more wary doing watersports whilst on holiday abroad as regulations aren't the same and it's perhaps more tempting in the sun and warmer water...

Lyme Bay canoeing disaster - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyme_Bay_canoeing_disaster

giddyauntie123 · 28/04/2025 08:46

It almost sounded like she was showing off to the group it was weird.
She went down the weir first, (like woweeee look at me), then in the video you can see how defensive she is moments after it happened. Terrible impulsive behaviour

BitOutOfPractice · 28/04/2025 08:41

I was watching some people getting paddle board lessons a while back. It was on a mill pond still shallow river. They were all kitted up with safety gear and the instructor was giving a really thorough safety briefing.

Why on earth did this woman think this was a good idea? Absolutely horrific and tragic For the people involved.

sashh · 28/04/2025 08:34

@crankycurmudgeon Thank you.

Bloody hell that's horrifying, in my mind it is like, if you were miniaturised (I like science fiction), travelling down water in a hosepipe. Then suddenly someone puts their thumb over the end and points the fast water into a washing machine mid cycle.

cakeorwine · 28/04/2025 07:57

"I guess I just trusted the instructors and that they know what they are doing"

Someone says they are an instructor - and people take that at face value. A lot of trust does go into someone when they say they are an instructor and it's hard to challenge someone who says they are an instructor when you start to get into a situation that could be dangerous.

WendyFromTransvisionWamp · 28/04/2025 07:41

This is an awful tragedy and makes me shudder when I think of our past paddleboard excursions.

In August 2020 we were in Cornwall and booked an introduction to SUP, as a family, DC being 9 and 12 then. Thinking back it was way too windy, only DH was able to sit up, not stand up, only sit on the board. The sea was just too choppy. My board got pulled towards the outer sea so the organiser had to come and get me with a boat. It was August but we all had wetsuits and life jackets but I don’t remember anything about safety talks.

Two years later DH and I tried again in our local area with a local instructor. She was hot on the safety, spent a long time explaining everything and also had the waist release rather than the ankle ones.

I have to fess up that I never thought of all the safety aspects, I guess I just trusted the instructors and that they know what they are doing. But now I think how wrong that Cornwall one could have gone. I know about riptides but had no idea about weirs, I would have been completely clueless how dangerous they are. I’m not a native Brit though and don’t think my country has them.

ObelixtheGaul · 28/04/2025 07:39

crankycurmudgeon · 27/04/2025 09:08

I used to do a lot of white water kayaking and when I read about the story I immediately knew what kind of weir the one in Haverfordwest would be. First photo I saw confirmed it.

That kind of weir, with a vertical drop off, is notoriously dangerous. So much so that they are colloquially known as 'drowning machines' among white water paddlers. Even without the river being in flood, it's an extreme hazard because the water circulates and drags you constantly back towards the weir. With the river in flood it's only luck that they didn't all drown.

It's not a matter of experience, these weirs are extremely dangerous no matter how much experience you have, as demonstrated by the death of the instructor who was very fit and experienced in watersports.

You always come out and 'portage' (walk with your watercraft) round a hazard like that. The fact she didn't do this suggests she had absolutely no idea of the risks of moving water. Honestly, it is pretty much the first thing you learn when you do the most basic moving water safety course.

I have seen those types of weirs IRL and there's notices about the danger as well. In the report on the incident a pp posted upthread, one of the pictures clearly showed a 'caution' notice.

ObelixtheGaul · 28/04/2025 07:32

SwanOfThoseThings · 25/04/2025 20:43

Agree. The supermarkets have them piled high in Cornwall when we go down on holiday - usually alongside other beach paraphernalia. Someone picking one up in Tesco won't be getting any advice on how to use it safely and it's not sold in a way that suggests it could be dangerous to use.

Well, yes, I agree, but it's not just paddle boards and kayaks. I live by the sea on a coastline known for rip tides and the number of kids out on the big rubber rings and inflatable dinghies they just bought from the shop. Parents watching from the beach. Fat lot of good they'll be when their 8 year old who can barely swim a width of the local pool gets swept out.

None of it should be sold in my opinion.

RedToothBrush · 28/04/2025 07:26

CountryQueen · 27/04/2025 23:04

Kayaks? It would be completely unsafe in a kayak

Yep. That still would have been too dangerous in a kayak. The conditions made it even more so.

EdgyGreyUser · 28/04/2025 06:21

T1Dmama · 27/04/2025 20:47

She’ll only do 5 years - so not even 1.5 years per victim.

If she is let out of prison early, she would serve the rest of the sentence on licence being under supervision and will have to obey conditions she will get given.

CountryQueen · 27/04/2025 23:04

Gloriia · 27/04/2025 08:46

'there was no safety briefing and the participants were not even told about the weir.'

This is staggering, how on earth did she think they'd navigate it? Understandable if on kayaks perhaps but paddleboarding is a standing thing isn't it?

Were they all beginners do we know?

Kayaks? It would be completely unsafe in a kayak

Todaywasbetter · 27/04/2025 21:56

PassingStranger · 25/04/2025 18:53

Former police, another one
Bet they will love her inside.

gross negligence manslaughter does not need intent. that would give 18 years