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Friend asked dh for 2 year loan

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ParsnipPuree · 25/04/2025 12:19

Dh’s closest friend broke down to dh and told him he’s in trouble. Owes £25k to a friend who now needs it back. Dh offered to help on the basis it’s payed back in instalments every month for up to 2 years.

I am friends with his wife who is oblivious. Her dh won’t confide in her. She doesn’t know there’s a problem so will carry on as normal. I don’t think she’s a big spender but that’s not the point. They had a week away shortly before her dh and mine had this conversation.

Im angry because if there was a medical situation they couldn’t cover, that would be one thing but they’re obviously living beyond their means. Dh is taking the money out his company so it doesn’t affect me. If my friend knew she’d be mortified.

OP posts:
Viviennemary · 26/04/2025 14:11

He should absolutely not do this. I think it's grim that you are carrying this burden and the wife is oblivious. This man is selfish and irresponsible to put his friends in this difficult position.

SparklyGlitterballs · 26/04/2025 14:03

Your title says 2 year loan, but you keep saying he has to pay it back within a year. Finding £2k a month for repayment will be extremely difficult, and goodness knows how he'll hide that from his wife. Shouldn't be too long before he defaults.

I hope your DH has the sense to tell this friend it's a one off, and he's not to come begging to him again in the future. How will this affect your relationship if it's not paid back? You said you both had plans for the money.

Slurple · 26/04/2025 13:58

There's alot I don't understand about your approach OP.

You say your DH is a people-pleaser, yet also that he doesn't care what others think of him. A people-pleaser is someone who is motivated by other's opinions of them to act a particular way. He can't be both a people pleaser and someone who has little care or consideration for how others view him.

You also say that you are fed up of people taking advantage of him. And yes, I fully appreciate that this friend is making poor financial choices and has put your DH in a difficult position by asking him for a loan, the responsibility for how your DH responds lies entirely and solely with your DH.

Finally, I don't understand why you're saying 'well it's coming out of the business so it won't affect me personally'. But if that business if your livelihood then surely it will affect the business if he doesn't get that £25k back? I actually don't think it's at all kind to lend that amount of money to a friend who clearly has money management troubles and without a plan you're positive he can stick to - it seems that the friendship being blown apart by debt (which it will be) is a price you're (or your DH is) willing to pay to not have to have difficult conversations or put boundaries in place that could protect your friend from further financial difficulties.

ParsnipPuree · 26/04/2025 13:51

TropicofCapricorn · 26/04/2025 12:17

Every time you post OP makes it sound worse.

Just accept that your husband is giving a gift of £25,000 to his friend.

A gift from your marital assets, that could actually cost your husband money in tax, and lost interest earnings.

Unless you step in now, you will never see that money ever again. So, if you're happy to be £25k+ down then great.

Otherwise it's would take you 10 seconds text the wife RIGHT NOW. "Hey Friend, did you know that your DH is borrowing £25,000 of my DH?"

Edited

I’m not a bitch so no I won’t be doing that. Not now anyway. I’m going to give him the chance to pay it back within a year. I accept why posters are dubious this will happen. Personally i would have said no but dh earns it and it’s his friend so his choice. He’s not giving it from money we use to live on so even if he lost it nothing would really happen apart from us being devastated at friend’s behaviour and me telling his wife.

OP posts:
FinallyHere · 26/04/2025 13:44

This is such a bad idea. Absolutely certain that your DH will become the ‘friends’ lender who needs the money back because none has been paid back as agreed.

just.dont.do.it. Why would you ?

ParsnipPuree · 26/04/2025 13:44

Candleabra · 26/04/2025 08:28

This is spot on.
It also sounds like your DH has a people pleasing problem, wishing to be seen as the great saviour galloping in to rescue people. This is difficult behaviour to manage, because he IS getting something out of this deal, it makes him feel good.

It may sound like it to you, but the only thing you are correct about is that he’s a people pleaser. He actually doesn’t care what others think about him as long as he feels he’s doing the right thing, and he gets nothing himself from it.. just a giver, there are people like that albeit few and far between.

OP posts:
binkie163 · 26/04/2025 13:31

TropicofCapricorn · 26/04/2025 12:14

Well, I guess that's for DH to sort out, having to pay tax on this gift he's giving this man.

That is a pretty hefty tax risk at 40-45% if taken as personal funds, if unpaid within the tax year it becomes a 35k loan!
If friend is regulated his employer or FCA will do strict checks on debt risk, how has he been getting away with that? It doesn't bode well for the industry if finance professionals cant pay their debts or manage their own money. I wouldn't be taking anything he says as the truth. The bottom line is op husband probably knows he won't see the money back and is ok with that.

WutheringTights · 26/04/2025 13:14

DoYouReally · 25/04/2025 17:02

There's no tax implications! 😂

You can't just take money out of a company with no tax implications!!! If you could no one would every pay salaries or dividends. They would "loan" everything instead .

I'm not n the UK do maybe there's one sort of tax utopia that I'm not aware of but I would be extremely shocked.

Edited

Of course companies can make loans. How do you think banks work? 😂

If the loan is made to a shareholder, employee or one of their relatives/a connected party then there are tax implications because it’s clearly a scheme to avoid paying tax on their income (and there are specific rules on this) but a company can absolutely make a loan to an unrelated third party (as defined in tax laws). A friend who is otherwise unconnected with the shareholders is most likely fine. (Caveated only because I don’t have all the facts.)

Hoppinggreen · 26/04/2025 12:24

TropicofCapricorn · 26/04/2025 12:14

Well, I guess that's for DH to sort out, having to pay tax on this gift he's giving this man.

But that is my point
If I am understanding OP correctly her H will actually NOT be lending this man money, his company will.
There are strict rules about what you can and can't do with company funds and how you can or can't extract them from your Business. A LTD company is an entity in its own right, its not an extension of the owner and I can't just take money out myself without it being accounted for and tax paid on it, let alone lend money from my company to someone completely unconnected to it. If The company lends this man money somehow The Company will have to be paid back and there would have to be a proper paper trail for that. If The Company lent the man money and The H was paid back personally that could be tax Evasion I think
As I said I am NOT an Accountant so maybe there IS a way of doing this but having being in Business for almost 20 years I can't think what it could be.

TropicofCapricorn · 26/04/2025 12:17

Every time you post OP makes it sound worse.

Just accept that your husband is giving a gift of £25,000 to his friend.

A gift from your marital assets, that could actually cost your husband money in tax, and lost interest earnings.

Unless you step in now, you will never see that money ever again. So, if you're happy to be £25k+ down then great.

Otherwise it's would take you 10 seconds text the wife RIGHT NOW. "Hey Friend, did you know that your DH is borrowing £25,000 of my DH?"

TropicofCapricorn · 26/04/2025 12:14

Hoppinggreen · 26/04/2025 11:28

No it would not matter in that case, it would be treated as if OP's H had taken it as salary, dividends or a Director Loan and taxed appropriately
What OP has described is her H's company lending the money to the friend direct without it going via his own personal account
I am not sure how that would work when filing tax returns etc

Well, I guess that's for DH to sort out, having to pay tax on this gift he's giving this man.

godmum56 · 26/04/2025 12:13

steppemum · 26/04/2025 11:51

I think you are all being a bit harsh to OP's dh.
He is a nice guy. He likes to help people out when they need money. I don't think he should be villanised for that.
The world could do with more nice people who are willing to help people out of a hole.
Don't we all
moan about the rich getting richer etc and here is someone who is actively willing to spread his money round to help others.
So I applaud his intent.
My parents are in a similar position and have lent/given money to friends and familiy over the years. (They are always very business-like about HOW they do it.)

On the other hand I have no sympathy for the friend, and the only way to deal with this situation is to go into it with eyes wide open and in a business-like way.

assess if dh can afford to never get the money back
sign tight contracts
set up direct debit/standing order so that the money is paid
etc etc

Personally, I would make telling the wife part of the contract, if the wife doesn't know, then no money.

I strongly suspect that there is more going on, gambling etc. No-one in fincance gets accidentally 24 grand in debt, unless there is an underlying issue.
And if there is, the money is never coming back.

I don't think anyone has said he isn't nice, only that he's silly.

martinisforeveryone · 26/04/2025 12:08

ParsnipPuree · 26/04/2025 07:57

With the contract dh will have with him he could put a charge on his house but he would never do that, I’m just so sick of people taking advantage of him. It’s usually family.. problem is he thinks of him as family.

So DH is loaning the money fully anticipating that it won't be repaid then? because if he was certain it would be repaid as agreed per this contract, then the charge over property would be irrelevant.

martinisforeveryone · 26/04/2025 12:02

SporadicMincePieMuncher · 25/04/2025 20:34

He hasn't got to "only" cut back £2,000 a month/ £25,000 in a year. He's got to cut back that AND whatever he was overspending by. Whilst not letting on to his wife that anything is up.

And that's not accounting for the extra £££ that I'm pretty sure he will also owe elsewhere on credit cards, loans from other friends...

Absolutely this.

I've got to say that I find it inconceivable that someone who's made so much money from business that they can blithely spare £25,000, when it seems blindingly obvious that it's a poor financial decision, is so naïve as to imagine his friend can afford to pay it back, or to make lifestyle changes in order for that to happen, let alone regularly as agreed.

DoYouReally · 26/04/2025 12:01

Have you and your husband and the friend actually worked out an sort of repayment analysis.

Very rough figures for example.
25k loan repayment
20k mortgage repayment (estimate)
20k utilities/food/other standard costs
65k total
Therefore 65k net income required
Roughly 130k gross income

Is he even earning enough to even be able to repay? Then you have to assume that even if he is, that it is also spending little enough to repay you guys.

steppemum · 26/04/2025 11:55

and YES to dh paying the other friend back directly.
That will soon unpack whether this other friend exists or not.

steppemum · 26/04/2025 11:51

I think you are all being a bit harsh to OP's dh.
He is a nice guy. He likes to help people out when they need money. I don't think he should be villanised for that.
The world could do with more nice people who are willing to help people out of a hole.
Don't we all
moan about the rich getting richer etc and here is someone who is actively willing to spread his money round to help others.
So I applaud his intent.
My parents are in a similar position and have lent/given money to friends and familiy over the years. (They are always very business-like about HOW they do it.)

On the other hand I have no sympathy for the friend, and the only way to deal with this situation is to go into it with eyes wide open and in a business-like way.

assess if dh can afford to never get the money back
sign tight contracts
set up direct debit/standing order so that the money is paid
etc etc

Personally, I would make telling the wife part of the contract, if the wife doesn't know, then no money.

I strongly suspect that there is more going on, gambling etc. No-one in fincance gets accidentally 24 grand in debt, unless there is an underlying issue.
And if there is, the money is never coming back.

Hoppinggreen · 26/04/2025 11:28

TropicofCapricorn · 26/04/2025 11:23

Doesn't matter I suppose? If it goes to Directors Bank, and he spends it on whatever he likes? In this case he's giving it away to his friend.

No it would not matter in that case, it would be treated as if OP's H had taken it as salary, dividends or a Director Loan and taxed appropriately
What OP has described is her H's company lending the money to the friend direct without it going via his own personal account
I am not sure how that would work when filing tax returns etc

TropicofCapricorn · 26/04/2025 11:23

Hoppinggreen · 26/04/2025 10:11

Yes but the money isn't going to a Director, its going to a Directors friend.

Doesn't matter I suppose? If it goes to Directors Bank, and he spends it on whatever he likes? In this case he's giving it away to his friend.

LuvACustardCream · 26/04/2025 11:16

This sounds like a terrible situation. Instead of borrowing money off friends, they should be living within their means and the wife should be getting a job. How bloody entitled of them both.

CleaningAngel · 26/04/2025 11:01

Swiftie1878 · 26/04/2025 09:15

There is a strong whiff of lies about this.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a loan from the other friend (which he’s paying back in instalments), but he now needs another loan (to pay back in instalments). I reckon his debt is just multiplying, and soon the instalments will be unpayable as his wife continues to spend, in blissful ignorance.

Tell DH to pay the other friend back directly, rather than it going through his good friend. Otherwise, it simply won’t reach the supposed target.

I can also guarantee as soon as said friend gets the 25k, the next announcement eill be from the wife that they're going on a lavish holiday!!

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 26/04/2025 10:29

ParsnipPuree · 26/04/2025 00:20

Your situation was completely different to mine then. You had children together who you were at home looking after. This is our second marriage and although dh made his money after our marriage and affords me equal access to it, I do not see it as mine morally as he earns it not me.

It’s fair to say the situations are different, however I do still think it’s shared money if it was earned since your marriage. Unless you’re properly rich (ie several million) he shouldn’t be lending such a huge sum without you agreeing. It’s a lot of money we’re talking about.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 26/04/2025 10:26

Typo. I meant to say... Your DH could make the Friend sit down with an accountant to discuss how to restructure. That would actually be more helpful than just giving him more money to burn.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 26/04/2025 10:18

ParsnipPuree · 26/04/2025 07:44

I’m pretty sure it was on credit cards living beyond their means, interest accruing so he borrowed the money to pay them all off. Dh is going to ask who the friend he borrowed from is.

Debt charities help people who are struggling with debt interest to negotiate with credit card companies and mortgage companies, to reduce payments to a manageable level.
Your DH's friend ought to try this first before he stuffs your DH's money into the debt hungry incinerator ..It's not enough to just keep feeding the beast. He has to take steps and advice to restructure or the situation will just get worse and your DH will have bought him a month or two before DH loses the entire sum. That includes not hiding it from his wife who is blissfully unaware of their debt crisis and would probably like to know so that she can economise in some way.
However, it doesn't sound from your posts as if the DH's friend is even giving your DH the full facts... which makes the loan extremely risky.

You say it's not your money. But it is your family's money. A £25k hole in your Dh's business (which is presumably taxed) is a sizeable amount to lose and could become a problem for the business in future given what is happening on international stock markets, the effect it will have on interest rates and inflation. This is an unpredictable climate for business and you don't know what call there might be on your DH's business in the future where he will desperately regret giving away a significant amount to someone who is very unlikely to pay it back.

Doesn't your DH have an accountant who oversees the business who could outline the risks for him?
Maybe a good first step would instead be to pay for a few hours of time with an accountant to help him navigate this mess and restructure his debt interest.? He didn't borrow from a loan shark did he?

Hoppinggreen · 26/04/2025 10:11

LardyCakeLover · 26/04/2025 08:54

This is correct - you can withdraw the money as a Directors Loan - as long is it's paid back with a certain time there should be no tax implications :

Yes but the money isn't going to a Director, its going to a Directors friend.