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AIBU to think that the demands in this open letter by 'Trans Rights Now!' are unreasonable and should not be taken seriously?

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BrightLightFright · 25/04/2025 08:58

Link removed due to it redirecting.

YABU - these demands are perfectly fine.
YANBU - these demands are unreasonable.

Demands from the 'Open Letter to Parliament' below. The whole letter is available at transrightsnow.uk it is probably best to type this into your browser to avoid the redirection.

"Rights and Protections

GRA 2004 must be amended with immediate effect to allow for legal self declaration of gender without the need for a medical diagnosis or reports. This should also include full legal recognition for non-binary, intersex people and under 18s, complete removal of the spousal veto, and deletion of the list of GRC holders.
Removal of all sex or gender based exemptions from the Equality Act 2010 in relation to gender reassignment.
Addition of restrictions to the protected characteristic of ‘Religion and Belief’ to ensure that this avenue can never be used to strip other protected characteristics of rights ever again.
References to sex or gender on marriage applications and certificates should be removed.
References to ‘father’ and ‘mother’ should be replaced with gender neutral terms on birth certificates.
Driving Licences should cease to encode sex or gender in any form.
Passports should offer “X” as a sex or gender marker option for those who want it.
Anti-Trans language and rhetoric should be legally classified as hate speech, including the deliberate misgendering of transgender people. This should also include making it illegal for the UK Press and Media to incite moral panics in order to protect all minority groups from the perpetration of lies, misinformation and disinformation. If this cannot be done as part of regulating hate speech then it should be enacted as a form of press regulation, which is currently highly inadequate.
Hate Groups, such as Sex Matters, LGB Alliance and For Woman Scotland should be labelled by the Government as such and stripped of charity status.
Gender neutral facilities to be required in all public buildings for those who want them.
The rights of binary trans men and trans women and non-binary people to use all ‘single sex spaces’ that align with our experienced sex or gender, or that we feel most comfortable in.
A legal right to gender affirmative healthcare on the NHS established, with a legal duty for treatment to be started within the NHS constitutional limit of 18 weeks. This should include the right for under 18s to transition medically and regardless of how their parents feel.
Cosmetic genital surgery on intersex babies to be banned.
The formation of a new, specific class of MP for minority groups, starting with transgender and non-binary people, to ensure we are no longer excluded from the parliamentary process and decisions that affect our lives.
A legal duty to consult and seek agreement with minority communities before taking actions or making changes that affect them.
Reestablishment of the Governments LGBT Advisory Board, and its existence codified in law.
Establishment of a Government Transgender, Non-Binary & Intersex Advisory Board, and its existence codified in law.
A duty for the British Government to offer asylum to trans and nonbinary people from countries oppressing them, starting with the United States of America.
The right for transgender prisoners to be housed in accordance with their lived, experienced sex or gender, limited only where the offender is known to be violent or a violent sex offender, where the establishment of specific third spaces should be used.
Protection from conversion abuse practices, including the misnamed pseudo-medical ‘Gender Exploratory Therapy’, which is merely a means of delaying or denying access to gender affirming care.
The right to participate in all sports, including at elite level, in line with our lived, experienced sex or gender, using the current International Olympic Committee guidelines as a basis for inclusion.
Banning the nonconsensual cosmetic procedures upon those born with intersex variations (mostly) in infancy, while retaining the right to consensual and medically necessary procedures.

Healthcare

The illegitimate and discriminatory ban on Puberty Blockers reverted immediately.
A full, independent inquiry conducted into the formation and running of the fraudulent Cass Review, and the Cass Review to be disavowed as the fraudulent, political propaganda that it is.
Gender Affirming treatment to be provided on an informed consent basis for those over 18, and those under 18 who are Gillick competent.
A legal duty for GPs to initiate and provide ongoing gender affirming care & treatment to transgender people on an informed consent basis, to replace so called ‘gender clinics’ over the next 2 years.
An immediate extending of surgical provision for all types of gender affirming surgery, and the provision to allow the use of private providers, including overseas providers at cost to the NHS until domestic provision is adequately established.
Extension of available gender affirming treatments available on the NHS, including but not limited to:
Breast augmentation where HRT doesn’t provide sufficient growth.
200 hours of electrolysis
Facial surgery where desired
Any gender non-conforming surgeries
Full compensation paid to any transgender people who have been forced to pay for private treatment due to the failures of the NHS to address the issues faced in accessing gender affirming care.

Public Duties & Bodies

A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the NHS, coupled with the removal of anti-trans policy makers such as Wes Streeting.
A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, coupled with the removal of anti-trans policy makers such as Kishwer Falkner, Alasdair Henderson and Akua Reindorf.
A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the civil service and the removal of those involved, including the disbanding of so called Sex Equality and Equity Networks (SEEN).
A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the Charity Commission, which legitimised the anti-trans hate groups Sex Matter & LGB Alliance.
A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the Ministry of Justice and the Judiciary, and the removal of those involved.
The establishment of an extended Conflict of Interest process for all public and political bodies, including MPs and Ministers, that declares both religious and ‘philosophical belief’.
A full investigation into the abuse of the political appointments process employed by the UK Government to enable the anti-trans politicisation of the establishment over the last 10 years.
A full investigation into the conduct of and systemic incitement of hatred by the UK Press and Media against the trans community."

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thedancingclown · 25/04/2025 13:27

And how are they going to pay for all this? No - they will expect us to. Totally deluded to have come up with this & think it is viable. Insulting to the vast majority is the population & controlling in how people can behave according to their cult like rules.

BrightLightFright · 25/04/2025 13:17

The letter specifically states 'as a community we are now presenting a list of non-negotiable demands for immediate action'.

So, lightinthebox, this is about demands, not rights. If you don't like the word 'demands' take it up with Ryan et al.

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SaveMeFromHumanity · 25/04/2025 13:05

lightinthebox · 25/04/2025 13:02

Oh goody, an echo chamber to mock trans rights. What fun.

They're not rights though. They're demands. And, if you read them, you'd probably agree that most of them are ridiculous.

lightinthebox · 25/04/2025 13:02

Oh goody, an echo chamber to mock trans rights. What fun.

FigsOfFury · 25/04/2025 13:01

Wow they are throwing quite the tantrum. Of course you’re not being unreasonable. It’s batshit in the extreme.

christmaspudding43 · 25/04/2025 12:56

SaveMeFromHumanity · 25/04/2025 12:36

Gender records should be anonymised, and only ever recorded as part of equalities monitoring.

But, but... that's just nonsense.

If we created an entirely sexless/genderless society with no records anywhere, what would we collect equality monitoring for? What would the data be compared against? What purpose would it serve?

Idiots.

And how would their special category of trans MP exist when they don't want themselves identified as trans?

SaveMeFromHumanity · 25/04/2025 12:52

Strip women’s rights from them and give them to us. And then strip rights from a load of other people too, so that they can’t never do to us what we’ve just done to women.

That pretty much sums it up.

I'm at the point now where so much has come out over the last week that ti can't believe anyone doesn't see it anymore!

Having said that, I have a fb friend who often posts lots of pro trans stuff. I tend to just ignore that because she's OK otherwise.

Her posts often gain a fair bit of traction (several positive comments and likes) but she's posted twice since the ruling.

One got a single like and no comments and the other was completely ignored.

So maybe there is hope...

BrightLightFright · 25/04/2025 12:43

The first signatory is Ryan Castellucci, who is featured in the BBC article below.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyve4m79e6lo

If the above link redirects, please see the article titled 'American loses UK appeal to become legally non-binary' on the BBC website.

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SaveMeFromHumanity · 25/04/2025 12:36

Gender records should be anonymised, and only ever recorded as part of equalities monitoring.

But, but... that's just nonsense.

If we created an entirely sexless/genderless society with no records anywhere, what would we collect equality monitoring for? What would the data be compared against? What purpose would it serve?

Idiots.

Shelby2010 · 25/04/2025 12:33

MushMonster · 25/04/2025 12:01

The mother/ father pisses me off to no end. No f...ing way! What does mother and father or woman and man (used to describe sex on a medical issue) have to do with any of this.
Women sports, hospital wards, rape crisis groups and changing rooms to remain sex based. Thank you.
I would not care if the changing rooms are fully enclosed, but most places are not, so.
Toilets, I am fully used to mixed ones by now, so I really do not care.
And regarding sports, I think they do need to invest some time on refining the case of intersex = DSD, so whether they do have advantage on said sport or not, which needs to be done on individual basis. They are very few, but definitively over represented in sports.
I am perfectly accepting of any gender that does not want to tell me what I am or physically compete with me. The rest, which are the noisy ones, they will have to grow up.

Don’t worry the Edinburgh Health Manifesto will ban birth certificates as they are a violence against trans people. So won’t have to remove mother/father after all.

We demand an end to birth certificates and to legal gender. Gender records should be anonymised, and only ever recorded as part of equalities monitoring. Neither government, nor any institution, has any justification for keeping a register of trans people. Birth certificates are not just a violence against trans people, they are a material to the state’s oppression of “undocumented” immigrants and asylum seekers

localnotail · 25/04/2025 12:27

Yes, all I can say - good luck with that. 🙄

MushMonster · 25/04/2025 12:11

Prisons! I forgot about those. They mention them further down. Sex based please.
I do agree with them on the stop to intersex babies surgeries. I think is better to accept this as what it is, instead of the hiding it from everyone (and that includes the patient!) approach of the past.

WilfredsPies · 25/04/2025 12:10

Addition of restrictions to the protected characteristic of ‘Religion and Belief’ to ensure that this avenue can never be used to strip other protected characteristics of rights ever again I find this one quite comical because of the sheer brass neck they’ve got. Strip women’s rights from them and give them to us. And then strip rights from a load of other people too, so that they can’t never do to us what we’ve just done to women.

38 named people who collectively call themselves The Aggrieved I’d suggest the Trans Liberation Front would be a more appropriate name for them.

sanluca · 25/04/2025 12:01

Sorry, but who are the 5% that think this is a reasonable list of demands? And why? Any plastic surgery they want funded by the NHS and compensation for anyone who has paid for it privately in the past? Also for under 18?

MushMonster · 25/04/2025 12:01

The mother/ father pisses me off to no end. No f...ing way! What does mother and father or woman and man (used to describe sex on a medical issue) have to do with any of this.
Women sports, hospital wards, rape crisis groups and changing rooms to remain sex based. Thank you.
I would not care if the changing rooms are fully enclosed, but most places are not, so.
Toilets, I am fully used to mixed ones by now, so I really do not care.
And regarding sports, I think they do need to invest some time on refining the case of intersex = DSD, so whether they do have advantage on said sport or not, which needs to be done on individual basis. They are very few, but definitively over represented in sports.
I am perfectly accepting of any gender that does not want to tell me what I am or physically compete with me. The rest, which are the noisy ones, they will have to grow up.

Ashesof2046 · 25/04/2025 12:00

I love it when they show themselves for who they really are.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 25/04/2025 11:56

SaveMeFromHumanity · 25/04/2025 11:15

I nean, that sounds reasonable.

Who are we to say how Jane Eyre would have 'identified' had she been a person and not a fictional character?

As much as I'm loathed to get drawn into another thread on this subject, I do think that the more this utter nonsense is exposed to daylight, the less people will be able to argue that they are just a group of vulnerable people who just want to pee...

Edited

I could not agree more.

They should absolutely be given a platform, especially at this juncture, so that the general public can see clearly who and what they really are

GiveMeSpanakopita · 25/04/2025 11:55

ghostyslovesheets · 25/04/2025 11:22

They’d have a field day with 12th Night!

I mean old Will was obviously a TRA as you know he had blokes in dresses up on stage playing ladies

(ignoring the whole reason why obviously)

Well we all know how much they love claiming certain historical figures (Joan of Arc, the Bronte sisters etc) were trans.

Only certain historical figures tho. When one points out that the serial killers Peter Sutcliffe, Ed Gein and Jerry Brudos all meet Stonewall's definition of trans, they are suddenly less sure.

Keirawr · 25/04/2025 11:53

The world has moved onto new fads.

No one is listening to these woman hating loons anymore.

Naunet · 25/04/2025 11:51

It's hilarious, and of course all very 'transwoman' centric.

SaveMeFromHumanity · 25/04/2025 11:48

3WildOnes · 25/04/2025 11:44

Who were the signatories?

38 named people who collectively call themselves The Aggrieved.

SinnerBoy · 25/04/2025 11:46

Most of the inmates of Rampton, it would seem.

3WildOnes · 25/04/2025 11:44

Who were the signatories?

surreygirlzz · 25/04/2025 11:37

Bored to death with hearing about trans rights
Just not interested
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SaveMeFromHumanity · 25/04/2025 11:31

I've not read the health manifesto before.

The bit that really got me was the part about performing surgery on each other.

Clearly, haven't watched The Eunuch Maker!