To think ugly men are usually vile

Usually very jealous of other women and never in support of other women

Absolutely agree and short men!

Jesus this is horrrible. I agree with @Princessconsuelabananahammock9. I’ve never met anyone who i would consider ugly just from appearance alone. Ugliness radiates from the inside and ruins good looks in my opinion. Even the most conventionally unattractive person will have some redeeming features.

I’ve TOTALLY had the same experience as you OP! I’ve had relationships with both ugly and very good looking men. The former are bitter, vile and controlling - the latter are more direct (in a good way)

Call me old fashioned but I prefer personality and someone that can make me laugh.

I can't agree to a blanket 'all ugly men' etc. One of the reasons is that I think mostly all men vastly over rate their attractiveness, where as in general ai think the average woman will under estimate hers.

I have noticed there is a trend on Instagram where women who have received vile messages from men - shame them, with a photograph and their comment. It is shocking the amount of older men 40's/50s commenting. One guy made comments like 'pump & dump' rated her a 3/10. Said she was past it. He was a bald obese man in his late 50s early 60s was photographed with what looked like his granddaughters.

I tend to find people more or less attractive based on their personalities.

I totally disagree with you OP. At 18 I worked in an office with loads of good looking blokes. Some less so, and the one man who was the least physically attractive actually caught my interest because of his keen wit and his absolute confidence in himself. He was no oil painting but he oozed humour and warmth and he owned charisma. There was just "something" about him that transcended mere good looks. He had unkempt hair and acne. Sounds awful, I know, but his sound common sense and fairness to women (long time ago. Women used to be second class citizens) shone through.

It may be that he did not consider himself unattractive so had no reason to behave as if he thought he was. I thought I was in with a chance but somebody got in there before me.

So YABU

Yes, I have actually. The nicer men I've known have been good looking or average.

'Give him a chance' is terrible advice given to women - the 'he' is still a man after all.

Are you trying to be an Andrew Tate/Incel case study?

Ah you're thinking, she's a shallow bimbo. No, I don't only hate them because of their looks, it's because they are SO over-appreciative of me daring to look at them. "Oh Sian, you're so beautiful, why are you talking to me, etc etc...". And they go on and on. Attractive guys don't talk like that

No, they don't. They expect you to be over appreciative of them speaking to you.
Because they're soooo attractive they don't need to be nice. Right?

What a twatty, nasty thread.

Your "ugly" could be my "stunning". The only ugly people in this world are those who talk shite like this.

this thread is horrible and I wonder what your motive is.
My boyfriend is shorter than average, middle age with the spread, bald, huge sticky out ears, wears glasses and has a speech impediment. He is autistic and has had very little experience with women. But he makes me laugh, he makes me happy, and we have lots of good times together.
The most vile people I have met have been the ones that are up their own ass and think they are the best thing on the planet. They might look good on the outside, but they are not nice people.

This is so gross.

I’m a model and beautiful people do ugly things just like so called “ ugly” people.

For the record though I’ve never met an “ ugly “ person. I’ve met mean and cruel people but not someone physically ugly.

Anytime someone smiles or laughs or shows strength and grace I think they are bloody gorgeous.

Surely you can pass judgement on the ugly women you know. What are their traits? You surely don’t need to be attracted to to someone to know A. they are ugly and B. what they are like. Right?

So you've also fallen for the bubbly/jolly my too

@WellINeverrrIm so sorry! I’m kind of in the same boat. With an ugly man who I thought was kind & caring but who is being really mean and difficult, and undermining. Turns out in his past he’s had loads of female attention! That attention can make these sorts of men really get above themselves. Vile.

Difficult to pass a comment. I'm not attracted to attractive OR plain women. So I'm not able to say. I have friends who are more attractive than me and ones who would probably be considered less attractive, so it doesn't matter.

I can only speak of my own experience. My ex was what would be classed as physically ugly. I wasnt attracted to him in the slightest at first sight. I got with him because despite that, he was lovely. Kind, funny, caring. Well, 12 years and a newborn later, I found out that loveliness was a facade. He was a self centred, cheating, cold, cruel prick. He'd gotten arrogant over the years, discovered a secret love of online dating and thought that having a few people interested in him on that meant that he was some kind of god. He turned out to be as ugly on the inside as he was on the outside.

I’ve previously worked in a predominately male field for a lot of years and have spent a lot of time around every brand of man imaginable…..and no.
I really haven’t noticed that correlation.
Of course I’ve met some very unfortunate looking men who also have shit personalities and are awful to be around.
I’d actually say that the most vile, misogynistic, up himself man I’ve ever met might also be the most beautiful human I’ve ever seen. He was tall, chiseled jawline, perfect nose, beautiful eyes, a six-pack that could cut glass, not a hair out of place, extremely well dressed etc…..and he was the cuntiest cunt that ever was 🫠
And yet DH has a friend who definitely fell down the ugly tree and bounced of every branch on the way down…..but he is the sweetest, very personable, wonderful conversationalist, great with kids etc

I really don’t think it correlates.

So I’ll ask you as well… what about ugly women?

Yes this too, apart from what l said 🔼 or 🔽. Ugly men are NOT nice people, and I don't care what you think of me for saying that.

You seem to be operating off a bonkers false premise, OP. There’s no correlation, in either sex, positively or negatively, between physical appearance and unpleasantness. Beautiful people are neither predictably ‘vile’ or angels, ditto the ugly.

I had heard this, too, but have been out with 2 or 3 “ugly” men and they’ve been self centred, narcissistic, and opinionated. Awful!