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what do you think happens after death?

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Goldyyup · 24/04/2025 21:40

Only interested in perspectives if you think something happens after death not the perspectives where people think it is just the end.

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Hallywally · 04/05/2025 16:37

Nothing. I think you live on in the hearts of people you loved and who loved you but only in an emotional sense and the impact you had on them. They carry your love with them and that’s how your soul continues to exist.

Onethingafteran0ther · 04/05/2025 08:54

AthWat · 03/05/2025 22:51

You said "God created the world and saw that it was good. He gave humans choice, so we weren't restricted. Eve and Adam chose to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They suddenly became aware of evil. God was sad and humans felt shame. "

How can an ominiscient and omnipotent god, who created Adam and Eve the way he created them, and knew exactly how they would behave, be "sad" that they did what he created them to do and knew they would do?

And don't say "he gave them free will". He gave them all the attributes that led them to make a choice the way they did, and he knew they would make that choice.

An omnisicent, omnipotent god who can be sad at the result of his own actions is not logically possible. You can't just say "You're twisting it" and hope it goes away. Try and think about it.

The idea of gods doesn't offend me at all. Not your god, nor any of the others. Show me any evidence for any of them and I'll happily accept they exist. The Hindu ones just as soon as yours.

I think you can be omniscient and omnipotent, but also grieve when situations occur (as God did in genesis 6v6). The two narratives are compatible. There is devine concurrence. I know that my parents, husband etc are one day going to die, as will we all, but it won't stop me grieving when they do.

The bottom line for me is that I cannot truly understand what happened at the fall, but the God of the world that the Bible talks about is one of relationship. God could've just killed Adam and Eve and started again - a bit like on The Sims! But I choose to have faith (Hebrews 11:1 – faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen) because of the things I have seen in my life. I can honestly say that God has done miracles in my life and through the holy spirit transformed my life. Countless words of prophecy, physical healing... The spiritual world is vast and alive. Just in our Western cultures we are so blind to it. That's my faith.

Goldyyup · 04/05/2025 08:52

3678194b · 01/05/2025 23:17

A close relative of mine said her mother promised to visit her after she died, if she could, to let her know she was there. She was adamant this would happen! Not on her deathbed saying this but a lifelong pact they had.

After death her mother never made her presence known. Maybe she couldn't, or maybe there is nothing.

Nobody can make promises like this!

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AthWat · 03/05/2025 22:51

Onethingafteran0ther · 01/05/2025 23:38

You wrote that narrative yourself, by reading between the lines. All I said was that I believe God was sad as implied in genesis 6 v6. God told us to rule over the things he gave us in genesis 1 v 28. Nothing I've said contradicts this. You are twisting it and making me look as though I've been inconsistent, when I haven't been.

Why does the idea of God offend you so much? The idea of God really seems to have upset you?

You said "God created the world and saw that it was good. He gave humans choice, so we weren't restricted. Eve and Adam chose to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They suddenly became aware of evil. God was sad and humans felt shame. "

How can an ominiscient and omnipotent god, who created Adam and Eve the way he created them, and knew exactly how they would behave, be "sad" that they did what he created them to do and knew they would do?

And don't say "he gave them free will". He gave them all the attributes that led them to make a choice the way they did, and he knew they would make that choice.

An omnisicent, omnipotent god who can be sad at the result of his own actions is not logically possible. You can't just say "You're twisting it" and hope it goes away. Try and think about it.

The idea of gods doesn't offend me at all. Not your god, nor any of the others. Show me any evidence for any of them and I'll happily accept they exist. The Hindu ones just as soon as yours.

Onethingafteran0ther · 01/05/2025 23:38

AthWat · 01/05/2025 08:37

I'm reading what you say and when there's an obvious hole in it, pointing it out. Don't you think that if someone says "I believe X" and X cannot possibly logically be true, it's worth telling them?

You believe there's a god who knows everything that has happened or will happen and yet can be disappointed when things don't go as he hoped. How do you square this? I'm not expecting you to give me an answer; I know you won't be able to, as it's a logical inconsistency. But if you think about it, instead of saying "why are you asking?", it might be to your benefit.

You wrote that narrative yourself, by reading between the lines. All I said was that I believe God was sad as implied in genesis 6 v6. God told us to rule over the things he gave us in genesis 1 v 28. Nothing I've said contradicts this. You are twisting it and making me look as though I've been inconsistent, when I haven't been.

Why does the idea of God offend you so much? The idea of God really seems to have upset you?

3678194b · 01/05/2025 23:17

A close relative of mine said her mother promised to visit her after she died, if she could, to let her know she was there. She was adamant this would happen! Not on her deathbed saying this but a lifelong pact they had.

After death her mother never made her presence known. Maybe she couldn't, or maybe there is nothing.

xILikeJamx · 01/05/2025 09:48

I believe it's just the end, but I really like the idea of the afterlife as depicted in the Disney film Coco (as an aside - this is the best Disney movie for a long time and everyone should watch it! (with tissues at the ready))

The idea that as long as people remember you, you hang around in the afterlife to watch over them, but eventually everyone that remembers you passes on and once you're forgotten your spirit moves on from the afterlife.

Outrageistheopiateofthemasses · 01/05/2025 09:37

NorthernLights5 · 25/04/2025 09:24

As a carer I've been beside many, many people when they die, which is a privilege and an honour.

Some people wait to be alone. Some people like to be surrounded by friends and family. Some people have waited for the arrival of a new baby in their family. Some people just like to have a close carer with them.

You can tell immediately when someone has gone, it's like their soul has left (that's why we always open a window).

I can't count the number of people who reach out to someone above them and I believe a loved one comes to take them to the next place, whatever or wherever that may be. People who haven't said a word for days wil have a conversation with loved ones who have already passed away.

So, for me I believe there is something else and I think it is (partly) an overwhelming sense of peace.

This is a beautiful post, thanks for sharing

Outrageistheopiateofthemasses · 01/05/2025 09:36

FridayFeelingmidweek · 24/04/2025 23:43

And this is exactly why organised religion is so awful. Telling people they have sinned is just ridiculous. Enjoy your life. Have fun. Be kind. You're not doing anything wrong or sinful and don't let them think you are. People shouldn't be encouraged to feel shame.

Obviously the exception is that some people are entirely awful human beings. In the animal world, they'd be expelled from the group and possibly killed.

Jimmy Saville?
Hitler?
Rachael Reeves?

I know the third one may seem random but I really fucking hate her.

TheFatCatsWhiskers1 · 01/05/2025 09:28

helpfulperson · 24/04/2025 22:47

Babylon 5, a sci fi show, talks about the concept of 'star stuff' which i've always liked.

In summary atoms continue to exist. So the atoms from your decaying body will continue to be part of the universe. And may end up anywhere in it.

On earth this is a fact, it's called the biogeochemical cycle. Not sure if you're aware of that or if it's that you like the thought of human matter going beyond earth specifically.

AthWat · 01/05/2025 08:37

Onethingafteran0ther · 01/05/2025 08:18

So why are you here? Just to criticize others who do believe that something happens?

I'm reading what you say and when there's an obvious hole in it, pointing it out. Don't you think that if someone says "I believe X" and X cannot possibly logically be true, it's worth telling them?

You believe there's a god who knows everything that has happened or will happen and yet can be disappointed when things don't go as he hoped. How do you square this? I'm not expecting you to give me an answer; I know you won't be able to, as it's a logical inconsistency. But if you think about it, instead of saying "why are you asking?", it might be to your benefit.

Onethingafteran0ther · 01/05/2025 08:20

StMarie4me · 28/04/2025 19:18

Wow. Hell hey?

So the nicest kindest people in the World will go to Hell if they do t believe in Jesus Christ?

How can you say that to people? Just how?

Because I believe that the Bible is true.

Edited to add: I am actually a very nice person in real life and don't stand on street corners shouting that everyone needs to repent, else they will go to hell! I wrote a brief summary of my belief for this internet forum!

Onethingafteran0ther · 01/05/2025 08:18

AthWat · 28/04/2025 18:52

Oh, and I have no evidence that warrants me holding any belief about what happens when we die. Therefore I default to the null hypothesis.

So why are you here? Just to criticize others who do believe that something happens?

Grammarnut · 28/04/2025 20:59

AthWat · 28/04/2025 15:31

Some Christian doctrines claim that Hell is an absence from God. Others, in what was very much the prevailing view through most of history, claim that it is lakes of fire with demons sticking pitchforks into you.

Hellfire was very much a visual thing to encourage believers to support the church, pay for indulgences etc. There is no description of Hell - though Gehenna turns up in the story of Dives, I think (and it's uncomfortable but not a bonfire if I remember rightly). The OT is clear that not obeying God means not entering the celestial city, i.e. not being within the love of God, nothing is said of the Other Place (maybe they end up on the scarlet benches of the House of Lords forever debating gender woo, who knows!). Hellfire was also the stock in trade of evangelical evangelists - but there is no canonical evidence for this view and Jesus does not say anything except that those who do not follow the Way will not enter into his salvation.

AthWat · 28/04/2025 19:36

Tryingtokeepgoing · 28/04/2025 19:32

It’s fine. Christians define hell as a place without god. So, on the off chance that there is more (there isn’t…) then the non believers are destined to spend eternity without god as well. But as that’s how they spent their lives I don’t see any hardship there. And as I have had, and am having, a wonderful life without god, if when I die I find out that all of science was wrong and it just carries on then, while disappointed, I can’t see what more heaven would have to offer ;)

Some Christians do. Others stick to the lakes of fire.

AthWat · 28/04/2025 19:35

StMarie4me · 28/04/2025 19:18

Wow. Hell hey?

So the nicest kindest people in the World will go to Hell if they do t believe in Jesus Christ?

How can you say that to people? Just how?

Well if there is a god, and this is what they mandate, it isn't really the poster's choice. You don't get to choose how you think stuff should be run, and any all powerful being is really just as likely to be a twat and do nasty things as not. Whether a god is nice or not doesn't really factor into whether they exist.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 28/04/2025 19:32

StMarie4me · 28/04/2025 19:18

Wow. Hell hey?

So the nicest kindest people in the World will go to Hell if they do t believe in Jesus Christ?

How can you say that to people? Just how?

It’s fine. Christians define hell as a place without god. So, on the off chance that there is more (there isn’t…) then the non believers are destined to spend eternity without god as well. But as that’s how they spent their lives I don’t see any hardship there. And as I have had, and am having, a wonderful life without god, if when I die I find out that all of science was wrong and it just carries on then, while disappointed, I can’t see what more heaven would have to offer ;)

BreadInCaptivity · 28/04/2025 19:26

Nothing. We cease to exist.

Didn’t bother me before I was born and won’t bother me after I die.

I find that very reassuring tbh and an incentive not to waste the life I have.

gamerchick · 28/04/2025 19:20

I'm down with hell. Once hell is full the dead will walk... Or something.

Bring on the zombie apocalypse Grin

StMarie4me · 28/04/2025 19:18

Onethingafteran0ther · 26/04/2025 12:49

I believe that you go to heaven with the Lord if you have believed in Jesus Christ and the sacrifice he made to redeem the world and bring it back to salvation. I believe that if you didn't choose to trust God and have faith in Him then you go to hell. Hell is a place apart from God. Heaven is a paradise, where you can spend eternity living in the glory of the Lord. I can't explain it much more, but I believe that the God of the Bible is the Creator and sustainer of our universe.

Do an alpha course if you're interested.

Wow. Hell hey?

So the nicest kindest people in the World will go to Hell if they do t believe in Jesus Christ?

How can you say that to people? Just how?

StMarie4me · 28/04/2025 19:17

NoSourDough · 24/04/2025 21:42

You enter another consciousness, a mental one. You leave this physical existence where you are not bound by the laws of the physical universe.

Pretty close to what I believe too.

AthWat · 28/04/2025 18:52

AthWat · 28/04/2025 18:50

You said "I think God wanted for us to do the right thing".

But he knew we wouldnt. Or he isn't omniscient.

Pretty stupid in a god to want something he knew very well wouldn't happen, isn't it?

Oh, and I have no evidence that warrants me holding any belief about what happens when we die. Therefore I default to the null hypothesis.

AthWat · 28/04/2025 18:50

Onethingafteran0ther · 28/04/2025 18:42

Yes, the God of the Bible and Christian doctrine is omniscient - I didn't say he wasn't. He knew it would happen - I didn't say he was wrong to give us the freedom. How am I at odds with the Christian doctrine? You've put words in my mouth if I've said anything anti-Christian. Part of faith is trusting in what you have not seen.

Do you mean 'is God wrong about a lot of things?' .. imo, no, God is good. Bad things happen because of the evil in this world. I can't explain that, but I can explain how a hope in Jesus ignites our souls in a way that transforms the lives of Christians. The Bible says we were blind, until we saw.

You ask 'how can we put God right?' - I don't need to put God right. I owe him my life and I am forever in debt to what Jesus did in dying for my sins. I can only give all glory and honour and power to him. When you are hidden in Christ no thing in all of heaven and earth can come between you and the Lord. So going back to OPs post... what I believe will happen when I die is that I will go in spirit to be with the Lord in heaven, and worship him for all of eternity. And live in joy and in no more pain.

What do you believe happens when you die?

Edited

You said "I think God wanted for us to do the right thing".

But he knew we wouldnt. Or he isn't omniscient.

Pretty stupid in a god to want something he knew very well wouldn't happen, isn't it?

Onethingafteran0ther · 28/04/2025 18:42

AthWat · 28/04/2025 15:27

Yes, that's the story.
"God wanted for us to do the right thing, but our own curiosity got the best of us"
So your god is not omnisicient, then? He was wrong about what would happen? What else is your version of god wrong about? You're at odds with most Christian doctrines there. Is he wrong about lots of things? How can we put him right?

Yes, the God of the Bible and Christian doctrine is omniscient - I didn't say he wasn't. He knew it would happen - I didn't say he was wrong to give us the freedom. How am I at odds with the Christian doctrine? You've put words in my mouth if I've said anything anti-Christian. Part of faith is trusting in what you have not seen.

Do you mean 'is God wrong about a lot of things?' .. imo, no, God is good. Bad things happen because of the evil in this world. I can't explain that, but I can explain how a hope in Jesus ignites our souls in a way that transforms the lives of Christians. The Bible says we were blind, until we saw.

You ask 'how can we put God right?' - I don't need to put God right. I owe him my life and I am forever in debt to what Jesus did in dying for my sins. I can only give all glory and honour and power to him. When you are hidden in Christ no thing in all of heaven and earth can come between you and the Lord. So going back to OPs post... what I believe will happen when I die is that I will go in spirit to be with the Lord in heaven, and worship him for all of eternity. And live in joy and in no more pain.

What do you believe happens when you die?

JorgyPorgy · 28/04/2025 16:10

Goldyyup · 28/04/2025 15:38

Some people are struggling to read the OP.

Yes it’s strange that some people simply just aren’t able to read your OP 🤷‍♀️

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